Pestilence just had it move and he has no idea why.

In only his second year, as a 4th rounder from small school Fayetteville State.

Oh and Watson isn't a slouch, either.

Don’t forget Jaylen Watson! He had a couple of nice pass breakups in the Super Bowl as well

Oh I know why.

I still think it's a hell of a testament to the open-mindedness of the coaching staff that they let him get a real shot at re-acquiring that starting gig from Jaylon Watson.

And Watson never really did anything worthy of losing it. That's typically what it would take for such a late round steal who's played well in a championship run to lose a starting job. Hell, some coaches would say that's what it SHOULD take and be proud of the statement.

These guys kept the job open and let Williams really come streaking past Watson and get into that CB3 spot. And he rewarded them in a pretty big way down the stretch.

This coaching staff is the tits, fellas.

Oh big ****ing deal, he beat out a 7th rounder for some leftover snaps...

{runs away}

Watson also rushed in late to cover the huge punt fumble. Team with game turning heads up recoveries in the last two games.

And the thing is, I think Spags would pay Sneed out of his own pocket if that's what it took to keep him.

It's not even about trying to 'find the right price' for any of these guys. It's about trying to get that number as low as they'd be willing to accept so you have a little more to allocate to other guys.

It's the truly suckass thing about the salary cap in that one teammates financial success may have to be subsidized by a lesser number for another. Or that other guy is going to have to go make his bucks elsewhere.

But it just is what it is. Without the cap and that suckass thing, the Chiefs wouldn't be here. They'd have big market teams treating them like a farm team. Look at MLB where there are realistically only 5-8 teams in the market for any truly generational player. That's not the case in football.

It seemed like all season they weren't recovering those fumbles from other teams. Glad that changed.

Him stepping up in Sneed’s absence to cover Chase last year was a huge reason we won the SB.

He's an absolute beast with great length at 6-3.

(On a related note, how nice is it to NOT have slapdicks like Breeland and Scandrick running around back there?"

Breeland shouldn’t mentioned in the same breath as Scandrick.

Philip Gaines

If you don't flinch when you see that name....

Right?

Breeland was awfully good for us in that SB run. I mean we're spoiled by the insanity we got this year, but Breeland was a big part of that championship. I believe he had the first interception off Grapes, no? And am almost positive he had the pass defensed that gave us the win over the Patriots in the regular season that eventually secured the bye and HFA.

Breeland deserves nothing but love 'round here. He was a good player for us.

Scandrick, OTOH, was so ****ing bad that he talks trash on us anytime he gets a television spot as a way to deflect blame from how ungodly awful he was. That dude can get ass cancer.

Keep that bum Scandrick’s name out of this thread.

Flinch? or wipe away a tear and go call your mom.

Yep, he also had that 100-yard fumble return TD in Detroit early in 2019 that completely changed the complexion of that game.

Some dude in another thread here was bitching about Charvarious Ward not making any memorable plays, Breeland is basically the exact opposite of that. They were both good corners for us. Ward was typically more steady on a per snap basis while Breeland had some low lows with some insanely high highs.

I’m not going to talk shit about either one. It’s not like they were Philip Gaines or Dunta Robinson out there.

What the hell happened to this guy? I expected him to be the #2 this year but he's not even seeing the field until injuries at the very end. Rolland-Wallace and Nazeeh are playing over him, as well as Watson.

Did this guy bang the owners daughters or something?

No he just seems to get lost a lot.

So with Watson out and Johnson questionable this week, Joshua is gonna be the main guy and he was even put down as the CB 2 on the unofficial depth chart the other day.

I know folks would love to see us get another CB before the deadline but if that doesn't transpire then my question is why can't we have faith in Joshua?

1. He's been in the system for two years already.

2. Has experience at the highest level and even has an interception in an AFC game.

3. All the physical tools are there. Height, good speed and quick feet. Can tackle

It's just a matter of seeing him get a run now and hopefully he can step up like Watson did.

Here are Joshua's PFF grades from last season.

He allowed 10 receptions for 80 yards on 236 coverage snaps. He was ranked the 36th best CB during the regular season.

In the playoffs he was the 8th ranked CB and allowed two catches.

No doubt playing backup snaps probably played a role in these rankings but they are encouraging nonetheless.

Against the Raiders he had some penalties but wasn't beaten much. Hope to see him put in a better performance on Monday.

Did this Cb2 live close to you?

He's an absolute liability in coverage. Has William Bartee syndrome.

Pff says that's a lie.

This is Williams time to shine baby!!!

He was pretty dang good last year, no idea where you came to this conclusion. I think you forgot how bad Bartee actually was and how good Williams was last season.

PFF is garbage.

Williams is going to get absolutely exposed with prolonged playing time. I hope Johnson is able to come back soon.

Do you actually remember how terrible Bartee was? Williams isn't even close to that level of ineptitude.

I'm not comparing him to Bartee like player to player. I'm referring to William Bartee syndrome as him never turning his head around.

Ohh gotcha! That makes sense. I thought it was Rolland Wallace that was having trouble getting his head around though, no? Seemed like Williams was just getting a little too handsy.

Bartee should have never been a corner. He was a good safety in college and after he showed them he couldn’t play corner, the coaching staff should have moved him back there where the need to get his head turned would have been mitigated.

It’s what makes me even more appreciative of Spags…that time period where we drafted a few safeties to play corner was hard to watch.

Even when Warfield was an ok corner, I’ll always wonder how good of a safety he could have been.

Bartee and Warfiekd should have both been safeties for us.

hahaha I forgot about how bad Bartee was at NOT getting his head around.

He actually always had GREAT position but simply could not turn his head around to make a play on the ball. It was a really odd thing to watch week after week when he'd be sticky as hell on his man but his ability to simply turn his head meant his dude was always catching the ball.

I still think we should trade for a corner even if it's just depth

He could have been a superb safety. He really was pretty good in coverage.

Williams had a stretch last year, including the playoffs, where he was flat out dominant.

HE WAS! That was the deal - he could stick to his man like glute but literally just couldn't get his head around.

Coulda been a true lockdown corner had he learned how to do that

I confess I haven’t spent much time actually watching Williams, but PFR says he’s allowed a 75% completion rate and a 128 passer rating so far this season. Only been in targeted like 5 times though.

They actually did move him back to safety after they signed ty law but he got hurt and that was it

IMO he's been lost in the scheme more than lost on the field. He's capable but his first big one last week he came down on a route that someone else (Reid?) was on and left his guy to run deep.

PG thinks every player is a damn star. I caught him saying Wanya was playing great

IIRC, I said that Wanya and Thuney were handling their side of the line really well together in the videos posted (especially on stunts), mainly because they were.

I'm not saying Williams is a star, but he had a stretch last year where was damn good. I'd try to track down stats to support that assertion, but you don't seem a bit concerned with accuracy, data, or reality anyway.

He was pretty good last year and better than his rookie year. He's been pretty terrible this year. One snap against the Bengals or Chargers was just ugly, cant remember. Not sure what it is but he looks clumsy, easily manipulated, and ill-disciplined.

Maybe he'll lock in with more snaps and step up, there's enough to suggest he can play a lot better. Doesn't mean he will.

Nazeeh Johnson played 90% of the snaps against Denver and 100% of the snaps against The Bills.

Williams played 6% against Denver and had ZERO snaps against Buffalo.

Love Spags but what the feck is going on? Johnson is 26 years old, is coming off an ACL injury and has never played much minutes before in the NFL and now after one good camp two years ago he's suddenly starting over Williams who's played in AFC championships and Superbowls?

I'm not saying Joshua is a world beater or anything. But he's clearly more competent than Johnson fgs.

Williams has shown he’s great in man and blows critical assignments in zone coverage.

It’s like Wayna and Kingsley, where the magnitude of one of Williams’ mistakes could lead to a TD, where Nazeeh might be worse in man but is less likely to make a mistake that’ll lead to 6 on a particular play.

Our HOF-worthy DC obviously feels different.

I choose him over you.

He felt different about Sorenson too!!..I'm sure you agreed right? :LOL:

Williams hasn't been giving up TD's when he plays.

It’s often harder to diagnose blown assignments when players are in zone coverages, especially zones as complicated as the coverages Spags’ rolls out. Spags shown he values knowledge of his assignments more than anything (it was always rumored that this was why Willie didn’t see the field as much as we thought he would). Even Bolton had to wait a while before he saw the field for this reason.

Johnson was pretty sticky at least in the early part of the game. They may feel like he's close to turning a corner with more reps and an adjustment to game speed. Williams has looked like hot garbage in his limited time at corner this year.

Spags may need to adapt then because Johnson is a sitting duck out there and Williams is not getting exposed like he is. He played 100% of the snaps against The Bucs and wasn't picked on at all.

This is nonsense. Johnson is trash and is getting picked on constantly. Williams hasn't given up a TD in ages.

Yes, but it's not like Johnson has been playing at some level well below Williams. Or even clearly below Williams.

At this point they may like the Johnson upside more or think he's very deserving of at least a shot whereas they know what they have in Williams. And they - like most of us - haven't seen anything very good.

Show me a game this season or even last season where Williams was picked on? Can he get beat on a play? Sure. Can he give up a dumb penalty? Sure. But the guy doesn't give up TD's these days and he doesn't get picked on. The danger signs are there for Johnson. I just hope Spags sees them.

Williams had no idea what his role was. He probably wasn't credited with the touchdown because he was so far away from where he was supposed to be. Re-watch when Watson went down, ****ing hell he was bad. Bit on fakes, ran to the flats letting WR run free. Several plays were given up with Bolton and Reid trying to cover for Williams being out of shape. I specifcally remember a Williams Tranquil hand off that was wrong. Williams took the wrong guy after tranquil was yelling at him pre snap. Tranquil was way behind because he had to chase his guy down late.

Much like Sorenson they'd prefer the guy in the right spot who's more limited to the guy who's more athletic but cant get on the right guy. See Willie Gay/ Drue Tranquil.

Once again this is nonsense imo. The only guy picked on after Watson went down was Johnson. He gave up big plays downfield to allow the Niners to score late. I asked a question yet no-one is prepared to answer it. Show me where Williams has been picked on or given up a TD in recent times? You can waffle on about coverages all day long. But the guy isn't costing us points like Johnson. Fullstop.

And I said Williams wasn't even in position to give up the touchdown because he had no idea where to be. They both ****ing suck dude. Your asking to replace why Bartee isn't playing over Kendrick Lewis. One gives up the play at the point of attack. The other is on the wrong side of the field.

It's like saying we should play year 3 Dee Ford who's running away from the ball carrier over Breeland Speaks who's in position to sack Brady but doesn't.

Your assumption is speculative with no evidence to prove it. Dude played In AFC championships and the superbowl and you think he doesn't know Spags's scheme by now? Smh ROFL

I literally gave examples of the failed switch off with Tranquil you dope. That's not speculative. He's played like he thinks he has safety help and has. And one play in the Bucs game he stayed with his man on a crosser instead of handing him off to Reid. It was one of the plays were Otton didn't have anyone within 5 yards of him.

The dudes the most physically impressive corner on the roster, however the coaching staff and snap counts "speculate" with what I've said.

You guys bitching about Johnson are exactly like everyone bitching about Morris until Kingsley got significant playing time and everyone went "Ohh yeah, that's why he's not in there."

Johnson isn't great, but I've seen Chiefs CBs get torched much much worse in recent memory. Given how he was on the field all night and Allen wasn't even looking McDuffie's way, Johnson could have had his number called a whole lot more, IE - Scandrick, Mike Hughes, etc.

The two big plays to Cooper he got burned on weren't terrible coverage, just crazy throws and catches on plays he was left on an island due to the blitz. If the first throw to Cooper isn't dropped in a bucket and Cooper doesn't make an insane play on the second, we're all saying Nazi had a damn good game.

Oh shut up and have football conversation instead of doing this in every thread imaginable where people just want to talk about football.

There's that Cooper guy's name being mentioned again. :hmmm:

Nah

Failed switch off? YOU MEAN THE GARBAGE TD JOHNSON GAVE UP AGAINST ATLANTA? smh keep proving me right smartass :thumb:

It says failed switch off with tranquil in the first sentence you low comprehension twat waffle. I’m done arguing with your dumb ass. Easily the best and most proven coaching staff in the league vs Uchieffybutthole. Whatever bro.

That Atlanta TD Johnson let up was confusion WITH TRANQUIL SMARTYPANTS!!..SMH and if you don't think Spags hasn't made questionable decisions then you clearly didn't watch him consistently picking a washed Sorenson in 2021 who was getting picked on just like Johnson is ROFL

Nazeeh has been poor, but in limited snaps Williams has been just as bad. Maybe he just needs a run to play into some form. He was certainly better last year. There's talent but he seems to bite on just about everything right now

Like I always said. Williams is way better than Johnson and showed promise today. Hopefully this gives him confidence moving forward.

We really need Williams to be a competent outside corner.

He might not play as well as Watson was playing, but if he holds his own most plays, we can get back to using McDuffie in all kinds of ways, which is where he's most effective.

He was better than Johnson

Seen video from Matt Derrick's twitter showing the starting D-line and starting secondary doing drills. I can confirm that Joshua was lined up alongside Cook, Reid and Mccduffie.

The second team secondary was Taylor, Johnson, Nic Jones and Connor.

Gonna be a big chance for Josh to step up now. Would also love to see Taylor get some more snaps. His physical profile is very similar to Jaylen Watson's so let's see what these guys have got.

This is good news.

Any update on Williams?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One of the best plays by a CB all season in the NFL. Joshua Williams has to bail to Deep 1/2 - then flip hips/break/find ball to break up PERFECT pass in the Cov2 hole. TD saving play. <a href="https://t.co/FjaOpUIkkV">pic.twitter.com/FjaOpUIkkV</a></p>&mdash; Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/status/1872291255545405811?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 26, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Great play by Josh. Really pleased with his development over these last few games. He's really stepping up now.

Spags was puttin some wild shit on tape yesterday

This play almost reminded me of that clutch/classic Dale Carter pass breakup that was so epic Madden featured it in a game.

The dude looks like a bird.

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He's been getting better as the year goes along.

Dude is really tall. Hopefully that means he can take away shit by Jamar Chase, Keon Coleman, Justin Jefferson, Amari Cooper, and shit.

He did last year.