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Sassy Squatch 10-11-2022 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16523710)
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I guess I am.

The kid has a job. He's paying his own bills with his own money. But the American dream now is to take other people's money for negligible reasons, bordering on scamming people, because 'that's the game we're playing.' As if there's some requirement for all of us to be a litigious POS, according to you.

How about this: typically, if you injure a finger at work, the average compensation is about $2000-$5000. Is that enough, or do we need to charge more simply because the kid may have felt some embarrassment. The kid went to the hospital for what? A slightly scuffed butt? What's the ransom for that?

His ankle got hurt pretty badly I guess.

Megatron96 10-11-2022 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16523715)
His ankle got hurt pretty badly I guess.

Really? Are we sure about that, because he literally jumped right back up to his feet and started walking. Hard to do if you sprain your ankle badly. And where was his limp if he badly sprained his ankle?

htismaqe 10-11-2022 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16523725)
Really? Are we sure about that, because he literally jumped right back up to his feet and started walking. Hard to do if you sprain your ankle badly. And where was his limp if he badly sprained his ankle?

Watch the video again. He didn't get up on his own - the other dude had to help him up.

As for the extent of the injury, it was significant enough to mention in the police report and get him a trip to the ER.

backinblack 10-11-2022 03:09 PM

he probably got injuries akin to falling off a bicycle, little road rash maybe. But hey, if that gets you a settlement pay check...

loochy 10-11-2022 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16523710)
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How about this: typically, if you injure a finger at work, the average compensation is about $2000-$5000. Is that enough, or do we need to charge more simply because the kid may have felt some embarrassment. The kid went to the hospital for what? A slightly scuffed butt? What's the ransom for that?

It's not unreasonable to expect that shoving a person that is not accustomed to taking hits/falling, unprepared for contact, and carrying a lot of equipment that impacts balance might end up with injury.


Hell, the NFL/Chiefs/whoever he works for probably insisted that he go to the hospital immediately just to cover THEIR asses. He may not have wanted to go at all



Also, I haven't seen anything about the kid suing. All I saw was that he's charging for assault, which this is.

htismaqe 10-11-2022 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 16523737)
Also, I haven't seen anything about the kid suing. All I saw was that he's charging for assault, which this is.

There's also this.

We're the only ones talking about civil litigation. This is currently a criminal case.

Megatron96 10-11-2022 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16523735)
Watch the video again. He didn't get up on his own - the other dude had to help him up.

As for the extent of the injury, it was significant enough to mention in the police report and get him a trip to the ER.

He was holding some kind of equipment in his hand; some guy gave him a hand up is all. It's not like he was rolling around on the ground in agony.

And the NFL probably has a reg that states that if an employee falls for any reason they need to report it and possibly go to the hospital for evaluation to CTA.

InChiefsHeaven 10-11-2022 03:20 PM

I dunno. I mean, I'd be pissed if the dude shoved me at work, and if I sprained an ankle or something, I'd expect some compensation for that, but I'm not gonna sue the pants off a guy, just because he's a Raider.

I'd actually tell him I appreciate the apology, and could he please help me with the medical bills and the trip to the hospital.

As far as the criminal assault, I think Adams was walking and the guy popped in front of him. Seemed more a reflexive defensive thing to me. BUT...he should have stopped to help the guy up and check on him.

Whatever. He should not be sued, but he should do the right thing and make it right for the guy. But nowadays, we all gotta sue don't we...

htismaqe 10-11-2022 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16523756)
He was holding some kind of equipment in his hand; some guy gave him a hand up is all. It's not like he was rolling around on the ground in agony.

And the NFL probably has a reg that states that if an employee falls for any reason they need to report it and possibly go to the hospital for evaluation to CTA.

And none of that means he wasn't injured. What's your end game here? To convince everyone that this sort of behavior is no big deal?

loochy 10-11-2022 03:23 PM

If I was the kid I'd settle for him paying my doctor bills, some signed memorabilia, and a complimentary trip to Vegas to see a game

Megatron96 10-11-2022 03:24 PM

So i went back a bit and i made an assumption that the kid was suing because someone posted something about the kid getting his money. My bad. At this point it's just a criminal case, so most if not all of what I posted here is irrelevant.

IowaHawkeyeChief 10-11-2022 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven (Post 16523766)
I dunno. I mean, I'd be pissed if the dude shoved me at work, and if I sprained an ankle or something, I'd expect some compensation for that, but I'm not gonna sue the pants off a guy, just because he's a Raider.

I'd actually tell him I appreciate the apology, and could he please help me with the medical bills and the trip to the hospital.

As far as the criminal assault, I think Adams was walking and the guy popped in front of him. Seemed more a reflexive defensive thing to me. BUT...he should have stopped to help the guy up and check on him.

Whatever. He should not be sued, but he should do the right thing and make it right for the guy. But nowadays, we all gotta sue don't we...

He should be sued just because of his shitty apology... He said he felt bad right away, but he looks down at the guy in disgust and continues walking. Good people don't do this type of thing... Period.

Megatron96 10-11-2022 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16523770)
And none of that means he wasn't injured. What's your end game here? To convince everyone that this sort of behavior is no big deal?

Um, I already addressed this. I said it was a big enough deal that Adams should be suspended for at least a game, which is a significant amount of money. And I suggested he should pay a separate fine. That right there is a pretty big deal, isn't it? Just how much more a 'big deal' should anyone make of this?

I mean I get it, Adams is a Raider, and we have to hate Raiders. He made the mistake of venting some of his frustration on some stranger, in this case some kid carrying some equipment.

That was wrong of Adams, and he should be punished accordingly. And this kind of thing can't happen, so at the very least there should be a 1 game suspension, as I already said, a few times now.

But the kid isn't seriously injured. Most likely the only thing really hurt is his pride.

So what?

The league will do whatever they have in place for this sort of thing. The police will do whatever they do in these cases, which will probably amount to some kind of fine.

My question is why isn't that enough?

BryanBusby 10-11-2022 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven (Post 16523766)
I dunno. I mean, I'd be pissed if the dude shoved me at work, and if I sprained an ankle or something, I'd expect some compensation for that, but I'm not gonna sue the pants off a guy, just because he's a Raider.

I'd actually tell him I appreciate the apology, and could he please help me with the medical bills and the trip to the hospital.

As far as the criminal assault, I think Adams was walking and the guy popped in front of him. Seemed more a reflexive defensive thing to me. BUT...he should have stopped to help the guy up and check on him.

Whatever. He should not be sued, but he should do the right thing and make it right for the guy. But nowadays, we all gotta sue don't we...

Call me crazy but if someone walks in front of me, I generally just let them walk by and continue my walk.

loochy 10-11-2022 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 16523785)
Call me crazy but if someone walks in front of me, I generally just let them walk by and continue my walk.


Yeah, but you didn't just cost your team the game by running into your own player like a dumbass

htismaqe 10-11-2022 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16523783)
Um, I already addressed this. I said it was a big enough deal that Adams should be suspended for at least a game, which is a significant amount of money. And I suggested he should pay a separate fine. That right there is a pretty big deal, isn't it? Just how much more a 'big deal' should anyone make of this?

I mean I get it, Adams is a Raider, and we have to hate Raiders. He made the mistake of venting some of his frustration on some stranger, in this case some kid carrying some equipment.

That was wrong of Adams, and he should be punished accordingly. And this kind of thing can't happen, so at the very least there should be a 1 game suspension, as I already said, a few times now.

But the kid isn't seriously injured. Most likely the only thing really hurt is his pride.

So what?

The league will do whatever they have in place for this sort of thing. The police will do whatever they do in these cases, which will probably amount to some kind of fine.

My question is why isn't that enough?

It is enough.

As you mentioned in your subsequent post, this isn't a civil case, it's criminal so all of this back and forth was kind of irrelevant. That was my point and so it seems, we crossed in the ether.

staylor26 10-11-2022 03:34 PM

LMAO

The amount of people giving Adams the benefit of the doubt even after seeing his insincere apology is weird.

It's not a coincidence that he was pissed about the outcome of the last play/game and acted like this. It was 100% a bitch move, and the "apology" only made it worse.

dirk digler 10-11-2022 03:46 PM

Worked for ESPN

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The Kansas City, Missouri Police Department released a statement Tuesday morning that elaborated on the situation. The man was a freelancer working for ESPN's Monday Night Football.

"The victim is a photographer at the Chiefs/Raiders game. At the end of the game, he was pushed to the ground causing injury. He made arrangements for private transport to the hospital for treatment at which time he called police. The injuries are preliminarily thought to be non-life threatening. The incident will be investigated by our Assault Unit detectives, upon completion they will coordinate with the applicable city or state prosecutor to determine any applicable charges."

The report said the investigation was expected to take "longer than 1-2 days."

jettio 10-11-2022 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 16523140)
Believe it or not, I never even considered his race when calling him a thug. I considered his actions. If it had been Maxx Crosby, I would have called him a thug as well. So go **** yourself and the racist bullshit that you rode in on.

Phony ass explanation.

You did not call him a noun, you messed up his name.

Ask any player on the Chiefs what they think of what you wrote and if you cared about race when you wrote it.

loochy 10-11-2022 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 16523809)
The injuries are preliminarily thought to be non-life threatening.


ROFL You think?

jettio 10-11-2022 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16523220)
Man, The Huffington Post is so racist...

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/davan...b0e376dc05768f

Davante Adams Is An Outright 'Bully' For Cheap Shot At Camera Operator After Loss

Did they spell his name right?

penguinz 10-11-2022 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 16523787)
Yeah, but you didn't just cost your team the game by running into your own player like a dumbass

So you are saying that Adams thought they were running another play and ran into the first person he saw?

jjchieffan 10-11-2022 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 16523813)
Phony ass explanation.

You did not call him a noun, you messed up his name.

Ask any player on the Chiefs what they think of what you wrote and if you cared about race when you wrote it.

I really don't care what you think. You are obviously a complete dumbass. This place is quick to jump on racist comments, yet they all called you out for your bullshit narrative. Not one person agreed with you. Think about that. If you actually are capable of rational thought. I seriously doubt that you do.

jjchieffan 10-11-2022 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 16523823)
Did they spell his name right?

Dathugee Dathugee Dathugee Dathugee Dathugee Dathugee Dathugee

Daqueer Carr

Maxi pad Crosby

****er Renfrow

There. I changed the names of some white douchebag Raiders. Feel better??

jettio 10-11-2022 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16523793)
LMAO

The amount of people giving Adams the benefit of the doubt even after seeing his insincere apology is weird.

It's not a coincidence that he was pissed about the outcome of the last play/game and acted like this. It was 100% a bitch move, and the "apology" only made it worse.

As if you never said to somebody not paying attention to watch where they are going when they walk into you. Kids in grade school say that.

He pushed him harder than was justified, but nothing wrong with the apology. The guy was not checking both ways when crossing the only walkway off the field.

If he can't watch where he is going because of his gear, get assistance to be his eyes or to pause the traffic.

jjchieffan 10-11-2022 04:20 PM

This jettio moron is just like the NFL referees. Just can't admit that he's wrong, so he just doubles down on his stupidity.

PHOG 10-11-2022 04:24 PM

:shake:

seclark 10-11-2022 04:25 PM

A bullshit move by a bullshit player on a bullshit team
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IowaHawkeyeChief 10-11-2022 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 16523848)
As if you never said to somebody not paying attention to watch where they are going when they walk into you. Kids in grade school say that.

He pushed him harder than was justified, but nothing wrong with the apology. The guy was not checking both ways when crossing the only walkway off the field.

If he can't watch where he is going because of his gear, get assistance to be his eyes or to pause the traffic.

Read your post again, slowly, if you still think it sounds good then you are an idiot... Most people would bump into someone and maybe give them a dirty look, but not push them down in any normal setting, let alone in that situation. It was wrong and his apology was more wrong... He didn't care right away, he looked at him like he was trash that deserved it. If it hadn't been caught on camera he wouldn't have said a thing.

chiefzilla1501 10-11-2022 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 16523848)
As if you never said to somebody not paying attention to watch where they are going when they walk into you. Kids in grade school say that.

He pushed him harder than was justified, but nothing wrong with the apology. The guy was not checking both ways when crossing the only walkway off the field.

If he can't watch where he is going because of his gear, get assistance to be his eyes or to pause the traffic.

None of this justifies shoving him to the ground then walking away without so much as an apology.

I love how people are painting this like this harmless kid was being totally reckless or a douche bag. He’s an innocent kid trying his hardest at his job. He made a totally harmless mistake.

It’s not acceptable to do this to a random person on a crosswalk. Much less to a grocery store worker. Much less to an staffer in your organization. Much less to a person who is many levels below you working hard to earn a living. What kind of messed up dystopia did we fall into where people shrug this off?

chiefzilla1501 10-11-2022 04:48 PM

Getting flustered or angry at a waiter spilling a drink all over you or running into you with a food tray. Understandable.

Getting annoyed or frustrated with a ball boy who disrupts your tennis serve by accidentally running into the court. Reasonable.

Pushing either the waiter or ball boy to the ground? Psychotic.

Chief Roundup 10-11-2022 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16523220)
Man, The Huffington Post is so racist...

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/davan...b0e376dc05768f

Davante Adams Is An Outright 'Bully' For Cheap Shot At Camera Operator After Loss

Please point that out.

Easy 6 10-11-2022 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16523883)
None of this justifies shoving him to the ground then walking away without so much as an apology.

I love how people are painting this like this harmless kid was being totally reckless or a douche bag. He’s an innocent kid trying his hardest at his job. He made a totally harmless mistake.

It’s not acceptable to do this to a random person on a crosswalk. Much less to a grocery store worker. Much less to an staffer in your organization. Much less to a person who is many levels below you working hard to earn a living. What kind of messed up dystopia did we fall into where people shrug this off?

Well the victim WAS white, sooo...

Chief Roundup 10-11-2022 04:55 PM

Maxx Crosby should face a fine or penalty for throwing, what I am guessing is a beer bottle in to the stands.

Raiderhater 10-11-2022 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven (Post 16523766)
I dunno. I mean, I'd be pissed if the dude shoved me at work, and if I sprained an ankle or something, I'd expect some compensation for that, but I'm not gonna sue the pants off a guy, just because he's a Raider.

I'd actually tell him I appreciate the apology, and could he please help me with the medical bills and the trip to the hospital.

As far as the criminal assault, I think Adams was walking and the guy popped in front of him. Seemed more a reflexive defensive thing to me. BUT...he should have stopped to help the guy up and check on him.

Whatever. He should not be sued, but he should do the right thing and make it right for the guy. But nowadays, we all gotta sue don't we...

I would! All day every day. It’s my duty as a Chiefs’ fan.

loochy 10-11-2022 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 16523830)
So you are saying that Adams thought they were running another play and ran into the first person he saw?

If anyone could do that it would be a raider

Abba-Dabba 10-11-2022 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 16523517)
I think people have a misunderstanding of how lawsuits work. All kidding aside, KCUnited's point might be the best one for a possible settlement or basis for a suit and even that will be tough. Adams (or more likely his agent or attorney) may decide to just pay this kid some cash to get it to go away, but an actual lawsuit that nets the camera guy "life changing" money is highly unlikely. He could get compensation for medical bills and therapy is he claims he now is afraid to go to work but it would be very hard to prove actual damages. His lawyer can drudge up all sort of verbiage that again, Adams may just decide "**** it, I'll pay this kid $100K (just picking a number) so he goes away" but if you think Adams is losing millions on this, you've read to many John Grisham novels.

That being said, it was a dick move and he absolutely should be suspended a game and face the same legal consequences any of us would face for shoving someone at work (probably a fine unless you have a record already)

100K? Probably could squeeze out another 50K in the State of Missouri. But, anyway...

sold.

Abba-Dabba 10-11-2022 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 16523907)
Maxx Crosby should face a fine or penalty for throwing, what I am guessing is a beer bottle in to the stands.

He should face a fine and a suspension.

He is a Raider that likes to wink at other boys.

Lock him up!

mr. tegu 10-11-2022 06:21 PM

I’ve seen multiple people say the camera guy made a mistake or was where he shouldn’t be. I don’t buy that. He has every right to walk around in those areas and it’s a normal thing that happens all the time. Also it’s not like the whole team was leaving the field at once and the guy jumped in the midden of a stampede off the field.

srvy 10-11-2022 06:48 PM

I think being called the dorky camera kid is a worse insult than getting knocked on your can by a professional athlete.

NJChiefsFan 10-11-2022 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 16523848)
As if you never said to somebody not paying attention to watch where they are going when they walk into you. Kids in grade school say that.

He pushed him harder than was justified, but nothing wrong with the apology. The guy was not checking both ways when crossing the only walkway off the field.

If he can't watch where he is going because of his gear, get assistance to be his eyes or to pause the traffic.

What most people do is not shove them. I teach in a middle school and see kids get in each others way literally 100s of times a day. They almost never say anything and even less of the time ever shove each other to the ground for it when a stranger gets in their way. In fact I've never seen it.
People fighting who know each other, sure. And even when I've seen people be verbal jerks to reach other, it's a kid that is a dick and and a bully.

Never seen a good kid shove someone. Never done it myself and I've been mad plenty of times in my life as have the rest of us.

jettio 10-11-2022 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 16523874)
Read your post again, slowly, if you still think it sounds good then you are an idiot... Most people would bump into someone and maybe give them a dirty look, but not push them down in any normal setting, let alone in that situation. It was wrong and his apology was more wrong... He didn't care right away, he looked at him like he was trash that deserved it. If it hadn't been caught on camera he wouldn't have said a thing.

Learn to read. I said the push was too hard and deserves a punishment from the league. But the apology is fine because the part that folks say make the apology insufficient is Adams stating a fact.

It is true that the guy was moving too fast, crossing the main walkway right at the entrance of the ramp, and not paying attention to who he was cutting off.

Whatever league imposes is fine with me.

It would be stupid for KCPD to ticket it and I doubt they would.

NJChiefsFan 10-11-2022 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 16524112)
Learn to read. I said the push was too hard and deserves a punishment from the league. But the apology is fine because the part that folks say make the apology insufficient is Adams stating a fact.

It is true that the guy was moving too fast, crossing the main walkway right at the entrance of the ramp, and not paying attention to who he was cutting off.

Whatever league imposes is fine with me.

It would be stupid for KCPD to ticket it and I doubt they would.


Saying he pushed him harder than justified is ridiculous in itself. Pushing him at all is ridiculous. And the apology itself is bullshit because even in it he isn't being honest. If you regret it immediately you don't pass by him without reaching out. Unless he doesn't know what immediately means he is isn't being honest. Kind of the point of a true apology. But then if he had felt bad immediately he could have actually, you know, apologized to the guy instead of saying it to other people.

mlyonsd 10-11-2022 06:57 PM

The only reason he apologized IMO is because it was caught on camera and it hit the media.

jettio 10-11-2022 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 16524119)
Saying he pushed him harder than justified is ridiculous in itself. Pushing him at all is ridiculous. And the apology itself is bullshit because even in it he isn't being honest. If you regret it immediately you don't pass by him without reaching out. Unless he doesn't know what immediately means he is isn't being honest. Kind of the point of a true apology. But then if he had felt bad immediately he could have actually, you know, apologized to the guy instead of saying it to other people.

Threadstarter called the guy the dorky camera kid.

Why don't you put your anti-bullying training to work and counsel threadstarter on not calling names?

Better yet, let's have an honest teacher's opinion on jjchieffan renaming Davante Adams and claiming race was not on his mind when he did that.

alanm 10-11-2022 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/imag...s/viewpost.gif
Man, The Huffington Post is so racist...

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/davan...b0e376dc05768f

Davante Adams Is An Outright 'Bully' For Cheap Shot At Camera Operator After Loss

The Huffington Post employs a host of Karens. Male and female. And I would wager hardly few have ever attended a football game much less watched football.

HemiEd 10-11-2022 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 16521507)
Yes, should be a 1 game suspension

Yeah, but if it had been a vacuum cleaner it should be four.

kccrow 10-11-2022 07:03 PM

The cameraman went down too easily. The boy needs to hit the gym. Can't be getting clowned by Raiduhs trash like that son.

jallmon 10-11-2022 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 16522427)
The camera kid should tell the NFL he identifies as a vacuum cleaner and is destroyed.


....and I'll bet he get's paid.

LMAO

jallmon 10-11-2022 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JudasRising20 (Post 16523136)
LOL. You think if Bill Romanowksi did that we'd all be giving him a pass?

Now there was a raging asshole. Hadn't thought about him in years...

stevieray 10-11-2022 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 16522445)
Would have been racism for sure.

Sad, but true.

fan4ever 10-11-2022 09:56 PM

I saw Adams shoving people all night...little cheap shots here and there. That looked like a personnel foul.

See what I did there?

jettio 10-11-2022 10:23 PM

Visiting players pay Missouri state income tax (about 5%) and Kansas City earnings tax (1 %).

The maximum fine assessable in KCMO Municipal court is $1,000.

Chiefs have a game in Las Vegas this year and every year in the foreseeable future.

Nevada has no state income tax for home team or visiting team athletes to pay.

Las Vegas does not tax earnings of home and visiting players.

It would be extremely stupid to write a ticket on that when the league and the venue have a security responsibility to protect players from unwanted contact.

And, no way this would be a state court case.

Mark Donovan and Brett Veach do not want any ticket written. They are probably going to have to put measures in place for security assigned to the tunnel area to pay attention and all the people like this guy are going to get reminded to watch where they are going.

Adams will probably pay at least $12k in taxes for playing in that game. How about use some of that tax money to escort the guy who does not watch where he is going or have security pay attention to protect players from people who do not watch where they are going.

Adams base salary is 3.5 million this year. If signing bonus and other bonuses are subject to Missouri income tax and KCMO earnings tax he might have to pay $50k in state and local taxes to play in that game.

PHOG 10-12-2022 06:41 AM

Yeah, it looked like he needed protected...poor misunderstood NFL player being taken advantage of by an ESPN equipment guy. :hmmm: :rolleyes:

penguinz 10-12-2022 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 16524337)
Visiting players pay Missouri state income tax (about 5%) and Kansas City earnings tax (1 %).

The maximum fine assessable in KCMO Municipal court is $1,000.

Chiefs have a game in Las Vegas this year and every year in the foreseeable future.

Nevada has no state income tax for home team or visiting team athletes to pay.

Las Vegas does not tax earnings of home and visiting players.

It would be extremely stupid to write a ticket on that when the league and the venue have a security responsibility to protect players from unwanted contact.

And, no way this would be a state court case.

Mark Donovan and Brett Veach do not want any ticket written. They are probably going to have to put measures in place for security assigned to the tunnel area to pay attention and all the people like this guy are going to get reminded to watch where they are going.

Adams will probably pay at least $12k in taxes for playing in that game. How about use some of that tax money to escort the guy who does not watch where he is going or have security pay attention to protect players from people who do not watch where they are going.

Adams base salary is 3.5 million this year. If signing bonus and other bonuses are subject to Missouri income tax and KCMO earnings tax he might have to pay $50k in state and local taxes to play in that game.

Congratulations for taking over biggest dumbass on CP award.

notorious 10-12-2022 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 16523830)
So you are saying that Adams thought they were running another play and ran into the first person he saw?

Highly underrated post. LMAO

jettio 10-12-2022 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 16524557)
Congratulations for taking over biggest dumbass on CP award.

I am not that dumb because after all your posts in this thread, you encounter my post that does not have much that you could actually write something in disagreement with, and then do the name-calling.

After all your posts, about the bigger, stronger guy being mean to a weakling.

You make a post that says, "I am more popular than you here on chiefsplanet and I will use that popularity to knock you down."

Always interesting how the ones judging other people's behavior don't mind behaving badly themselves.

penguinz 10-12-2022 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 16524606)
I am not that dumb because after all your posts in this thread, you encounter my post that does not have much that you could actually write something in disagreement with, and then do the name-calling.

After all your posts, about the bigger, stronger guy being mean to a weakling.

You make a post that says, "I am more popular than you here on chiefsplanet and I will use that popularity to knock you down."

Always interesting how the ones judging other people's behavior don't mind behaving badly themselves.

Keep doubling down on being a dumbass.

You are defending someone who assaulted someone else and then call the victim a weakling.

As far as more popular... Even bigger dumbass comment. At least 98% on this site dislike or could not care less if I never came back.

Marcellus 10-12-2022 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 16524606)
I am not that dumb because after all your posts in this thread, you encounter my post that does not have much that you could actually write something in disagreement with, and then do the name-calling.

What makes you stupid is you believe the bolded part even though everyone has disputed your claims repeatedly and keep repeating different versions of the same stupid argument.

That is willful ignorance, or possibly unwilful ignorance I guess, but either way its pure ignorance.

It is no way the camera mans fault Adams shoved him to the ground the way he did. Any part of that you don't understand, well that's on you.

jettio 10-12-2022 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 16524632)
Keep doubling down on being a dumbass.

You are defending someone who assaulted someone else and then call the victim a weakling.

As far as more popular... Even bigger dumbass comment. At least 98% on this site dislike or could not care less if I never came back.

I did not defend anyone I said he was in the wrong for pushing as hard as he did. I do not have a problem with Adams pointing out in his apology that the guy jumped right in front of him.

Yiou were the one that introduced the idea of how big and stong Adams was compared to the guy.

I said it would be dumb to write a ticket. Not sure why pointing out that Adams paid a lot of state and loca-l tax to play in that game set you off.

What I wrote was true. The Chiefs and NFL are supposed to stop people from unwanted contact with players and the guy was not exercising due caution crossing the main walkway without paying attention and without having an escort.

Game operations staff are going to be instructed to take corrective action and credentialed field passes are going to be handed out with reminders to watch where you are going.

I suppose it would be dumb for me to waste mucvh time answering you.

Instead of calling me a dumbass you could add your view on players pay so much in state and local taxes and whether some of that money could be used to protect them from unwanted contact from people that do not watch where they are going.

penguinz 10-12-2022 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 16524676)
I did not defend anyone I said he was in the wrong for pushing as hard as he did. I do not have a problem with Adams pointing out in his apology that the guy jumped right in front of him.

Yiou were the one that introduced the idea of how big and stong Adams was compared to the guy.

I said it would be dumb to write a ticket. Not sure why pointing out that Adams paid a lot of state and loca-l tax to play in that game set you off.

What I wrote was true. The Chiefs and NFL are supposed to stop people from unwanted contact with players and the guy was not exercising due caution crossing the main walkway without paying attention and without having an escort.

Game operations staff are going to be instructed to take corrective action and credentialed field passes are going to be handed out with reminders to watch where you are going.

I suppose it would be dumb for me to waste mucvh time answering you.

Instead of calling me a dumbass you could add your view on players pay so much in state and local taxes and whether some of that money could be used to protect them from unwanted contact from people that do not watch where they are going.

You just refuse to understand that this was not the camera guys fault at all. He was doing his job.

As far as the player tax stuff. You already showed ignorance to that as well. Only income earned while in MO would be taxed. Unless he earned a bonus during this game he would not be taxed on it. Only his game pay would be.

As far as using tax revenue to protect the players... Talk about a waste of tax dollars. Tax revenue is not to prevent someone from assaulting someone at their place of employment.

BigRichard 10-12-2022 08:46 AM

Why do you guys insist on even allowing dipshits troll the thread. Ignore the dumbass... it will go away if nobody responds.

jettio 10-12-2022 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 16524693)
You just refuse to understand that this was not the camera guys fault at all. He was doing his job.

As far as the player tax stuff. You already showed ignorance to that as well. Only income earned while in MO would be taxed. Unless he earned a bonus during this game he would not be taxed on it. Only his game pay would be.

As far as using tax revenue to protect the players... Talk about a waste of tax dollars. Tax revenue is not to prevent someone from assaulting someone at their place of employment.

How much is his tax bill?

You obviously were not able to read and understand my post because I gave an estimate on his base salary and an estimate on a hgher figure if bonuses are included.

I guess the more I pay attention to you losing your mind arguing the more I realize that being called a dumbass by you may actually be a compliment.

I will put you on ignore since you do not add much insight and you add a lot of harsh words.

The guy's job included watching where he is going while he is moving on the field ask the yellow shirts or his assistant to help him cross in front of the tunnel if his gear keeps him from looking out for himself.

There is going to be corrective action by the league and the Chiefs for their failure to protect a player from unwanted contact, and I am cool with whatever sanction the NFL gives. I guess it will be a fine and not a suspension because Adams had a right to protect himself from the danger but he pushed him harder than was reasonable under the circumstances.

If the guy wants to file a civil case, Adams' lawyer should seek indemnification from the Chiefs and NFL Security because their negligence created a situation where players were not protected from a guy that did not care to watch where he was going.

Pablo 10-12-2022 08:55 AM

You get the chance to sue and steal money from an actual scumbag Raiders player, you take it.

No questions asked. Get out the neck brace, call up a shrink and claim PTSD any time you so much as see a football.

When it's all said and done I'd send a nice fruit basket to Devonte at the Raiders facility on his dime.

TwistedChief 10-12-2022 09:02 AM

jettio - have you called 50 of your friends from around the world and gotten their opinions on the matter?

Mr_Tomahawk 10-12-2022 09:10 AM

Ofcourse the cameraman should file a police report. This is no different than from some random person pushing you over at the grocery store for walking in front of you.

Eleazar 10-12-2022 09:12 AM

Why did the OP call the cameraman dorky? Just looks like a regular guy doing his job to me.

jettio 10-12-2022 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16524763)
jettio - have you called 50 of your friends from around the world and gotten their opinions on the matter?

Well, why don't you be my friend and specify which points I make that you agree with and the ones you disagree with?

Seems like the argument against is to call me a name and then rewrite what I actually wrote and argue against that.

You think Chiefs game operations isn't addressing this for what could have been done to prevent the collision with the player?

You think the NFL isn't going to look into this more than to just say Adams is in the wrong.

If Adams pushed him only enough to protect himself and not knock him down, that guy would be in danger of losing privilege to work on the field.

dirk digler 10-12-2022 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 16524747)

There is going to be corrective action by the league and the Chiefs for their failure to protect a player from unwanted contact, and I am cool with whatever sanction the NFL gives. I guess it will be a fine and not a suspension because Adams had a right to protect himself from the danger but he pushed him harder than was reasonable under the circumstances.

If the guy wants to file a civil case, Adams' lawyer should seek indemnification from the Chiefs and NFL Security because their negligence created a situation where players were not protected from a guy that did not care to watch where he was going.

I will disagree with you on this. If you are walking down the street and someone walks in front of you and you stop and forcefully push them down and they crack their skull on the sidewalk, you are most likely going to jail if they find you. It is battery.

Also refs, players, and the media are all walking around before, during and after the game and you don't see players shoving people around. Adams knows what he did was wrong hence the quick apology. He probably should get a multiple game suspension or similar to what a player would get if they struck a fan during the game.

Discuss Thrower 10-12-2022 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 16524065)
I’ve seen multiple people say the camera guy made a mistake or was where he shouldn’t be. I don’t buy that. He has every right to walk around in those areas and it’s a normal thing that happens all the time. Also it’s not like the whole team was leaving the field at once and the guy jumped in the midden of a stampede off the field.

Media should stay out of the way. That's like the unspoken first rule of coverage.

Abba-Dabba 10-12-2022 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 16524753)
You get the chance to sue and steal money from an actual scumbag Raiders player, you take it.

No questions asked. Get out the neck brace, call up a shrink and claim PTSD any time you so much as see a football.

When it's all said and done I'd send a nice fruit basket to Devonte at the Raiders facility on his dime.

Damn right. This guy gets it.

DaVainte needs to whip out that check book.

BWillie 10-12-2022 09:31 AM

Imagine assaulting someone at your job. Then not getting fired or big time suspended.

dirk digler 10-12-2022 09:33 AM

lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Official: Raiders’ WR Davante Adams was charged this morning in the Municipal Court of Kansas City with Misdemeanor assault. <a href="https://t.co/l9FBWNT6eq">pic.twitter.com/l9FBWNT6eq</a></p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1580219970012618752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

dirk digler 10-12-2022 09:35 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Raiders WR Davante Adams cited for assault in Kansas City, MO, after pushing a photographer while leaving the field in the Chiefs&#39; Monday night win against Las Vegas. Here&#39;s a copy of the citation, filed in KC Municipal Court. <a href="https://t.co/0JYxABuHOY">pic.twitter.com/0JYxABuHOY</a></p>&mdash; Shain Bergan (@ShainKCTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShainKCTV/status/1580209910591401985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pablo 10-12-2022 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 16524817)
lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Official: Raiders’ WR Davante Adams was charged this morning in the Municipal Court of Kansas City with Misdemeanor assault. <a href="https://t.co/l9FBWNT6eq">pic.twitter.com/l9FBWNT6eq</a></p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1580219970012618752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Such a thug with a criminal record and everything to back it up.

tooge 10-12-2022 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16523783)
Um, I already addressed this. I said it was a big enough deal that Adams should be suspended for at least a game, which is a significant amount of money. And I suggested he should pay a separate fine. That right there is a pretty big deal, isn't it? Just how much more a 'big deal' should anyone make of this?

I mean I get it, Adams is a Raider, and we have to hate Raiders. He made the mistake of venting some of his frustration on some stranger, in this case some kid carrying some equipment.

That was wrong of Adams, and he should be punished accordingly. And this kind of thing can't happen, so at the very least there should be a 1 game suspension, as I already said, a few times now.

But the kid isn't seriously injured. Most likely the only thing really hurt is his pride.

So what?

The league will do whatever they have in place for this sort of thing. The police will do whatever they do in these cases, which will probably amount to some kind of fine.

My question is why isn't that enough?

So tomorrow, when I leave work, you walk in front of my. I'll shove your ass to the ground. I'm sure you will just be cool with it and just carry on about your day. BTW, in Missouri, by law, shoving someone to the ground is considered assault.

tooge 10-12-2022 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 16523813)
Phony ass explanation.

You did not call him a noun, you messed up his name.

Ask any player on the Chiefs what they think of what you wrote and if you cared about race when you wrote it.

Are you black?

chiefzilla1501 10-12-2022 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 16524780)
Well, why don't you be my friend and specify which points I make that you agree with and the ones you disagree with?

Seems like the argument against is to call me a name and then rewrite what I actually wrote and argue against that.

You think Chiefs game operations isn't addressing this for what could have been done to prevent the collision with the player?

You think the NFL isn't going to look into this more than to just say Adams is in the wrong.

If Adams pushed him only enough to protect himself and not knock him down, that guy would be in danger of losing privilege to work on the field.

I think the chiefs operations top priority is to protect the staff member that was shoved unnecessarily. And the nfls top priority is to not encourage players to shove staff members. Of course they will review protocol but their #1 priority has to be that players or coaches cannot and should not physically attack staff members.

I’m sure the top message to the owners and therefore the coaches and therefore the players is that those people are there to help players make more money. If they’re going to force bellichick and Marshawn sit through a brutal presser after a loss or a sideline reporter poking mics in the coach’s face after a tough loss, they certainly aren’t going to defend adams for shoving a camera aside… even though the camera wasn’t even in use.

Even a tiny hint that this poor guy should be disciplined for if anything a minor mistake is just gut wrenching to think about. What kind of divas are these players that these peons can’t accidentally get in their way?

Pablo 10-12-2022 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 16524828)
So tomorrow, when I leave work, you walk in front of my. I'll shove your ass to the ground. I'm sure you will just be cool with it and just carry on about your day. BTW, in Missouri, by law, shoving someone to the ground is considered assault.

What charge did you get for choking out the little league ump? This has to be at least that bad.

BWillie 10-12-2022 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven (Post 16523766)
I dunno. I mean, I'd be pissed if the dude shoved me at work, and if I sprained an ankle or something, I'd expect some compensation for that, but I'm not gonna sue the pants off a guy, just because he's a Raider.

I'd actually tell him I appreciate the apology, and could he please help me with the medical bills and the trip to the hospital.

As far as the criminal assault, I think Adams was walking and the guy popped in front of him. Seemed more a reflexive defensive thing to me. BUT...he should have stopped to help the guy up and check on him.

Whatever. He should not be sued, but he should do the right thing and make it right for the guy. But nowadays, we all gotta sue don't we...

Make rich athletes accountable.


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