I didn't say it was for sure, so there's no rumors to "believe' really.


But if you say you don't buy what I'm saying, lol okay. I don't really take the time to post unverified stuff like this unless I know the source.


Also I said Jamarr Chase hurt his hip bad and welp

Yeah, no doubt he can’t keep take hits.

But literally he’s the only one left even worth looking at.

Joe Burrow is 2-0 against Mahomes. The Bengals have a mental edge until proven otherwise. There's another matchup coming soon and that will be interesting to see if KC can turn the tide. Gotta play 4 good quarters, not just 2 good quarters like they did in both of the losses to Cincy last year.

So far Mahomes has not been allowed to beat Burrow, let’s see if that changes this year.

If Josh Allen goes down you all better believe that the "Actually, ACTUALLY, I think Geno Smith should win MVP!" conversations will be all over with the usual suspects.

Hell Emmanuel Acho probably already has it written.

I don't buy Burrow as a long term rival because Cincy, I don't buy they'll spend enough to make it matter, if they pay Burrow they're gonna expect him to win with spare parts.

Perhaps Tua will get some attention. He's leading in QBR and all of the Dolphins losses have happened because of Tua's injuries. Tyreek wasn't carrying them to wins without Tua.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

They already have.

Jack Harry reporting its a tumor

No, I really appreciate the info, just don't want to get my hopes up lol

ha fair enough although I wasn't really talking specifically to you or anyone else.



I am sure we'll all find out for sure today or tomorrow at the latest

It's getting around now



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bills QB Josh Allen is being evaluated for an elbow injury to his ulnar collateral ligament and related nerves, per source.<br>Bills coach Sean McDermott said earlier team hopes to have more info Tuesday.</p>&mdash; Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) <a href="https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/1589737841147670528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Man, the Bills offense....just sputtered.

Gabe Davis hasn't really taken off like everyone thought and they can't run the ball worth a dick.

Probably wouldn’t look to good as a Phins fan. Their D just gave up 32 points to the Bears. Patrick would eviscerate them.

I hate to see that. He's good for football. The Allen Mahomes rivalry is a great thing for the game.

It is sad to see, for sure. Tommy John would be devastating - basically would take him out for 2023, too, unless they rush him back.

That would be a pretty tough blow to absorb when they loaded up for 2022 and 2023 to try and win it before his cap hits got huge.

They don't have much flexibility moving forward against the cap, due to the Von Miller deal.

Neither does Allen's arm

Would he be capable of slinging the ball the same way after he recovered? I know of TJ surgery, just not sure what a player looks like after they recover.

Or does it have too much flexibility? It has been said only two tools are needed to repair anything that breaks: (1) duct tape for things that move but should not (2) WD40 for things that don’t move but should. Which of these does Josh need exactly?

I'm mostly just hoping its something extremely painful that he can still play through.

Like turf toe.

Most guys these days have full recoveries and continue their pitching careers with no trouble.

I wouldn't expect it to hurt him long-term in terms of pure arm strength. Some guys even see a little tick up.

I'd be more concerned about touch/feel/ball placement.

Colonel Steve Austin had a devastating injury to his arm. After surgery, he was better than before. Better. Stronger. Faster.

Allen’s arm is fine.

He threw the pass of the year (that no one will talk about because the receiver dropped it) AFTER the injury.

70 yard pass in-the-air while on the run and hit the receiver right in the bread basket. One of the greatest throws ever and I believe longer than any QB currently playing has ever thrown it in a game.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen&#39;s incomplete pass intended for Gabe Davis traveled 69.3 yards in the air, the longest pass attempt over the last six seasons.<br><br>Sauce Gardner was able to close in on Davis to create a tight window — from 2.4 yards at throw to 0.4 at arrival.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BUFvsNYJ?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BUFvsNYJ</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TakeFlight?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TakeFlight</a> <a href="https://t.co/gipcg3CyK6">pic.twitter.com/gipcg3CyK6</a></p>&mdash; Next Gen Stats (@NextGenStats) <a href="https://twitter.com/NextGenStats/status/1589368611206238209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Tl;dr - His arm is fine.

People keep saying this yet the only two times Allen has been hurt has been when he’s in the pocket lol.

His playing style has nothing to do with him being injured in the pocket.

Uhh, folks do all sorts of shit with completely wrecked body parts purely on adrenaline.

not yet

Keep telling yourself that. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

That really sucks for him/them. Wouldn't say I'm a fan but it doesn't hurt my feeling when the Bills do well given the half decade I spent up in Rochester. Only team I wish unending mediocrity and misery on are the Jets. **** those clowns with a rusty AIDS spork.

Most pocket QB's don't make it to 35. Physical/Running QB's don't last that long. Those hits add up...

Oh, and because Burrow ain't that good.

If it's not Allen, it's gonna have to be Herbert. I just don't see HoF tools in Burrow and that's the bar to be a rival to Mahomes.

His arm may be fine, but that throw doesn’t mean he is, necessarily.

It’s not unusual for a pitcher with a TORN UCL to see a small velocity spike right before the injury. It’s a weird little phenomenon that happens occasionally.

Just spitballing here on zero information - is that like a deal where the ligament is "stretched" before it's torn, so it's almost like one of mahomes gumby ligaments for a bit before it finally goes?

That would be before the injury, not after it.

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Wait, aren't you the asshat that a couple of weeks ago was spouting off about how Allen had passed up Mahomes?

Surgery he is done for the year. He’s holding his arm. Rubbing his elbow and them they allowed him to throw a 70 yard Hail Mary. I’d be pissed if they risked Patrick’s arm to do that.

Josh Allen is a ****ing awesome quarterback. Don't be stupid.

I hope they use Dwayne Haskins as a tendon donor if he needs TJ

He misses 4 games with a UCL sprain in 18, weird to see him having these issues.

Are we even sure the damn Bengals make the playoffs?? If the season ended today they are the #9 seed in the AFC with a 5-4 record. Road trips left @Titans, @Bucs,@Pats. Homes games vs Chiefs, Browns, Bills, Ravens. Youd be hard pressed to find a tougher remaining schedule in the entire league.

I've been trying to tell my Bills friend that designed runs for a franchise QB is just asinine. I don't care how big and strong he is. You're voluntarily putting him in harm's way. That shit adds up and always faster than you think.

Josh will be playing next week with more duct tape on his arm than a folding table at a mafia tailgate. No worries, just feed him some beef on weck and he’ll be as good as new.

Wasnt he knocked unconcious running for a first down against the Patriots a couple years back? He isnt going to be 25 forever. He keeps putting his body in harms way into his late 20s and 30s it is going to leave its mark and shorten his career drastically.

Allen got injured in the pocket.

Not running.

just because Mahomes is the better QB doesn’t mean Allen sucks. He is a great QB. Just not better than Mahomes.

I'm not.

If the Titans we just played show up, they'll crush The Bengals, and Burrow will leave on a stretcher.

I'd bet they lose 4 more.

They did not take their offensive line problems seriously.

If they pulled Patrick from a game because he was rubbing his goddamn elbow he would be pissed. If he's hurt, he'll tell you. If he's not hurt, you gotta let him play. I'm sure Josh Allen knows the difference between hurt and injured too.

Well, they did. They just ****ed up the rebuild in a massive way

if the NFL did a redraft (think fantasy draft in madden), Allen would and should go #2. he's that good, but it would take a team to go full-reerun to take him #1.

JustRyan- Somewhere there is an old thread here from when Pat got injured in the Cleveland playoff game. Every Bills fan to a “man” said he shouldn’t play the next game (against them) and if he did it just meant the Chiefs coaches weren’t caring about his health. I can only assume you feel just as strongly now that it is your own QB?

Bills fans aren’t a monolith. I often disagree with them.

You didn’t answer the question. Go on record, take a stand, should Josh play or not this week?

Agreed. Mahomes is better, but Allen is #2 and I don’t think the gap between him and #3 is very close.

Greg Holland pitched almost the entire 2015 regular season for the Royals with at least a partially torn UCL before it finally let go and he had to get surgery.

How do you expect him to answer that with nothing but smoke and mirrors coming out of Bills camp? The only people who know the real extent of Josh’s injury is him and a Dr most likely. Josh is a bad ass, I hope he’s good to go. I don’t want any excuses when/if we meet them in the playoffs. But asking anyone to go on record about an injury only a handful of people know about isn’t a good look.

I completely agree. I think a fair answer is “If he’s cleared to play, he should play”. However, I wanted to see if a Bills fan could actually admit that is the correct answer since their fanbase seemed to struggle with that concept during the 2020 AFCCG.

Daquix....told you

Yeah I'm not sure I agree with this.


But then again until they invent a Star Trek instant injury detector I don't think there's a logical solution. It just sucks.

Take a stand? On what?

He got his arm tweaked. Let's not act like his ****ing elbow popped out, and got reset or some other dramatic shit.

Ooohh yeah Bills should totally sit Allen because he was working the kinks out for a minute before firing a 69 yard rocket to Gabe Davis.

God damn. Dramatic much?

Reread your post when talking about dramatic.

Because a suspected concussion complete with woozy wobbly walk and collapse, is on par with getting your arm tweaked a bit on a pass, where you then see the ball go 69 air yards dead on the money the very next play.

Yes.

TOTALLY COMPARABLE SITUATION.

I guess you were too busy to read a few posts down?
Perhaps you were contemplating your next “whine like a little bitch” post for next weeks GDT? Yet, somehow I am the dramatic one. LOL.

Go on record. Take a stand. Like you're trying to get the guy to say his qb should play so you could have some little gotcha moment, when the injuries aren't even remotely similar.

He has all the signs of potential serious elbow injury. Other posters just told you how he was able to throw that as well. Rumors are he could miss time and they're growing stronger.

Yeah. What a duck he threw the very next play.

69 yards in the air. The arm is clearly cooked.

I did not realize his choices were binary only. It seems the forum offers him an opportunity to chose any answer he wants including the one I suggested is the correct one. Why is that threatening to you?

A couple-three years ago there was this phenom QB that somehow dislocated his kneecap, and the whole multiverse thought he was going to be out for the season, that he'd need surgery, that he would never be the same, etc.

Don't remember exactly who that was, but iirc, he turned out okay.

I'm going to guess that Josh is going to be okay until someone that should know says he aint.

It's fairly typical for a UCL injury actually. Happens with pitchers all the time.

Allen described "slight pain" after the game. So no, the guys elbow didn't ****ing explode, and he's not just this toughest bastard on the planet where his elbow could explode and he barely feels it.

Christ.

There are posters here that legit fear this kid, and I saw a pretty pathetic one recently that said they wanted him hurt with his head bouncing off the turf.

Allen ain't the boogeyman people. He's going to be totally fine and have zero excuses for wasting yet another year of a great defense when Patrick spanks him again in the playoffs.

But the excuse is being baked right in by a lot of people it looks like.

I’ve noticed this too. The posters who bash Allen the most are the ones who are scared of him.

The ones that give him fair praise are the posters that know the truth / that he is a top 2 QB and it doesn’t really matter what the rankings are because it’ll be settled in the playoffs anyway.

Butker nailed a very long FG with an ankle that was in a boot for weeks after.

Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.

How the hell are we going to know definitively whether he should play or not? What a weird conversation.

Allen and the bills are going to have to get past the chiefs in the post-season. Maybe they eventually do. But if they dont...oh laws, that is going to be a severe mental barrier going forward

This

“Right before the injury is diagnosed” is what I meant to say.

Many pitchers have registered higher on the gun on their last few pitches before coming out with forearm/elbow soreness and being diagnosed with a torn UCL. The Royals’ Danny Duffy was one, when he blew his elbow the first time.

The ability to make the throw might indicate it’s not that bad. It might not.

I’m very concerned about Josh Allen’s well-being, and I believe the doctors should amputate his throwing arm just to be safe.

His arm falling off a cliff before his legs has to be a nightmare scenario for Buffalo

A little know fact about the Bucs Super Bowl win is that where they display the trophy the league made them add a plaque that says the day after the game Mahomes had surgery to repair his turf toe injury. So yeah count me in as someone who would prefer to play the Bills at full strength in the playoffs. I don’t want a plaque like that next to our trophy.

I guess that would make sense if such a plaque actually existed or if people were still discounting any of Brady’s SBs because of luck or happenstance.