They still get millions ROFL

Why would someone downvote this. He's absolutely right

It was Nubian Nut.

Yep. His production didn't match his salary and the Bengals were (surprisingly) smart enough to see this and actually act. This is the first time in their history that they've successfully restructured a contract. There's been talk before but each time, the player declined and was cut. He'll still be the primary runner but they're shifting to more of a RBBC.

For anyone interested, here's an article about the possible ripple effects of this contract restructure.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/h...an-expect-now/

The running back "problem" is essentially that not one of them is worth a second contract.

The worst thing you could do if you were the NFL is to give players at that position special treatment. Then you end up with Middle LBs and long snappers bitching. RB's are still drafted high, at hell teams are franchising the good ones, but they just don't have the durability to get the 2nd Contract money.

Nark

Counterpoint: they play a position that is invaluable to the game of football and we want talented athletes to continue to play it in the HS and college ranks. It’s not like a ****ing fullback. And who gives a shit what kickers, punters, and long snappers (the only lower paid tags by position) think.

They got hosed in the 2011 change to rookie contracts.

NFLPA should push to exempt RBs from franchise tags.

OR: you can sign McKinnon for pennies, and he'll score more TD's than both combined.

I ain't paying RB's.

I mean, that’s what I’d do as a GM.

But it still doesn’t negate the fact that they’re underpaid leaguewide due to market forces and career longevity.

Oh no!
Anyway...

You either care about labor being exploited or you don’t.

The difference is RBs suffer wear and tear that is specific to their position and largely dependent upon the team's playcalling.

Teams are incentivized to chew RBs up and spit them out through overuse and that's not true with middle LBs and long snappers.

I think there's a real fairness-based case to be made in terms of exempting them from the franchise tag and I'd be in favor of it. That said, I doubt it'll ever develop traction.

It's just business

Reported.

It’s not personal. It’s strictly business.

It seems to me that RBs should be wanting the franchise tag at this point. 1 year, $10M guaranteed? The best non-franchise player RB contract handed out this year was for Miles Sanders and it was like 4 years for $25M, $13M guaranteed.

You'd have to throw it in there that their rookie contract is higher to make it matter, since most are worn out by the end of that contract.

Skyy God is either Carrington Harrison or a massive fanboy of his. Repeating things nearly word for word that Cdot said on radio yesterday.

1700 posts to go!!!

But that’s largely because the best RBs were the ones who were tagged and thus didn’t get to hit the open market.

The gap between Saquon and Sanders is huge.

If you actually take a deep dive into it, RB's get paid very similar to Centers and Tight Ends...

They're basically pissed off they got passed up by WR's in the payscale, well junior the game changed.

It’s a passing league. The only RBs that are worth anything significant are the triple threat ones that can run catch and protect the ball. All at elite levels.

Austin Ekeler is bitching and he did catch 100 balls last year....the funny thing though Ekeler only got a shot because Gordon bitched about money so he was replaced...Ekeler is literally bitching about the system that gave him his chance.

Very true

I wonder if the Chiefs model for rb's hasnt contributed to some of this

Absolutely yes. Mahomes factor has trinkled down to the RB position. I absolutely think that's why.

I like Jerick McKinnon, BossChief.

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Yeah, that's... yeah, no.

But what about the punters? They should make more money!

The ****? ROFL

Is it though? I mean in relation to winning?

I'm not sure.

Henry is the best by far in his generation, and has it mattered?

I'm pretty sure RB is the only position where the franchise tag number has actually gone down in recent years.

he carried them, along with a good defense, to the AFC championship game once. But then they got Mahomes'd

Guess we'll see. They are the same age. Sanders YPC is 5.0. Saquon's is 4.5. They are both outstanding receiving threats although Sanders wasn't used that way the last few years in the Eagle offense. Sanders was over 1200 yards on the ground last year, Saquon 1300.

I think perception is Saquon is better and I tend to agree, but how much more is a team going to pay him when they can get Miles Sanders for the deal they got him on?

Hey everyone in this thread check the Pacheco thread

Ok, fair. Actually, thank you for noticing! I don't get into a lot of fiery arguments with other members around here so I guess I feel like I'm mostly posting into the void and fail to realize others would recognize me, but hey, just made a new friend!

That's true, I do lean towards past production because I think you know what you're getting from a vet typically, and draft picks are a a lot more hit or miss by nature.

For instance, I think MVS and James will lead our WR core in production this year based on previous production, but I hope that our young core takes over by EOY.

Good looking out Skyy!

I'm as big a lib as anyone on this board (DC excluded) and this post is bullshit.

Well... ****.

Do it Veach!

That sucks, but doesn't move the meter for me on this topic unless we get vibes Pacheco may be actually out long term. If it's just first 6 games, the team can just lean more on CEH and McKinnon in the first part of the season, kinda like last year.

I also think McKinnon's contributions last year were way under hyped. Dude was our #3 WR last year.

Edit: The flip-side to the above stat is that Mahomes out rushed McKinnon 358 to 291 with 11 less carries

I'm actually extremely excited to see what Prince can do

And a beast in pass pro.

Look, the current game is like this - if you need to ride a running back bell-cow style because your QB sucks then, ok. But you know it's a time bomb. He ain't gonna last long. Smart teams split carries to lessen the load and extend their careers. Dumb teams run their guy into the ground. Either way, it's not a wise use of big cap dollars. They're either part time players, or unlikely to last through a second contract. A guy like Henry is a rare exception.

Now, are they underpaid? I don't really think so. It's either a huge risk, or you're paying for a part time player. Are other positions overpaid? Absolutely. WR's are way overpaid, as teams seem to think they can carry second rate QB's to the SB. I don't think that's been proven. Your QB is either one of the five or so elite guys or he isn't. Are corners overpaid? Under the current rules, absolutely. There's no such thing as a shutdown corner in this NFL. I wouldn't pay a boundary corner a second contract either. I might for a chess piece type of player, like Sneed.

I learned to not get excited over an unsung running back, that's supposed to do special things, way back in the Jesse Haynes days.

Yeah but it's different when that unsung running back is just an ancillary piece rather than the focal point of the offense.

did you unlearn this learning last year

You know, Andy does love him some "name" reclamation RB projects.....

No. I was very cautious with Pacheco. Hell, I even was in the draft day thread calling for the Chiefs to draft the kid in the late rounds. But I get your point. Can the same thing happen two years in a row?

:deevee:True. And this regime is light years ahead of Marty's. Still very cautiously optimistic.

For the record, Manvel High school is right outside of Houston. I refereed High School football in the Houston Area a few years ago, and I've seen this kid play, and he was very good.

Here’s a look at the franchise tag since 2013. Looks like 2017 was the high franchise tag for RBs, just over $12 million.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cba/franchise-tag/

Concur on this. I will say that despite it being a passing league teams still need to be able to run the ball. Without it you get perma 3 man fronts while getting yards on the ground from QB scrambles and/or designed runs. What hurts star RBs is that you can get yards with lesser (and cheaper) RBs.

As you mentioned the days of the bell cow RB are over and as such salaries reflect as much. Look at KCs two SBs. Their “star” RBs were journeyman Damien Williams, journeyman Jerrick McKinnon, and 7th rounder Pacheco. Ironically their 1st round RB didn’t even sniff the field in SB 57. Teams realize that pouring less resources into the RB position frees up more for other positions.

Huge difference between Matt Nagy (basically Andy Reid) and Jimmy Raye though.

Hell, half the board was making fun of me for advocating for more running the ball. I agree, you need to run some, but you're only going to go as far as your QB can take you. You have to run enough to keep the defense honest. Make them honor their run fits, play the complete game. Otherwise, you're just letting the rush tee off on Mahomes, and I'd like to see him play a Super Bowl on two legs again. it's been awhile.

You got THAT right!
Jimmy "3 - Play - Raye." LMAO

All true. It’s why KC played in and won SB 54 instead of Tenn or SF. Williams played very well and forced Tenn and SF to account for him which allowed Mahomes to do what he does. It’s also why Baltimore wins a lot of games but is not a serious SB threat (unless Lamar proves himself as a passer).

I wonder with the devaluation of RBs if we're going to start seeing high level athletes (as in, guys who are good enough to have a choice) refusing to play RB.

In the lead-up to the draft, when there was talk of Jahmyr Gibbs falling out of the first round, I started to think that maybe he'd be better off insisting on a move to WR. Because if mid-tier receivers are going have longer, better paid careers than upper-tier RBs, then what's the incentive to be a RB? If I was an elite young athlete I sure as hell wouldn't play RB if I could help it. Put me at WR or CB, or hell, even S or LB. Just don't stick me in the RB meat grinder.

Well, but just even GETTING to the NFL is such a pipe dream for most kids, it probably won't matter. But I think the days of RB's that are one dimensional are all but done. If you're not a well rounded back, you've got little chance.

Again, Henry is the throwback, and an exception to all rules, but nobody else has been able to get away with it for long.

A RB in Baltimore got paid this offseason…

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...mVPdg&usqp=CAU

I see the league or union giving rbs a shorter rookie contract. Max 3 years. Problem is I don't think it solves anything. Teams are too follow the leader. Having a team of great wr doesn't help bad qbs.

Certain teams should go against the grain. Imagine if the browns would have gone split back most of the time and spread wr with hunt and chubb.

Teams just want to copy.

Only works with a franchise qb.

McCoy

Bell

Cook?


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Former Minnesota Vikings star running back Dalvin Cook offered $1 million to a former girlfriend to clear him of wrongdoing despite her previously sworn abuse allegations against him, according to a document filed in Dakota County District Court.

The revelation came in a now-sealed filing by Gracelyn Trimble's attorney. The document was filed in opposition to Cook's request to bar testimony at trial of his cash settlement offers of $800,000 and then $1 million.

Cook's initial offer of $800,000 came with a requirement that Trimble sign a sworn affidavit denying abuse claims, the document said. But Trimble has already testified under oath that Cook physically abused her. The $1 million offer required Trimble to send a letter — not sworn testimony — to the NFL absolving Cook of wrongdoing.

Attorney Daniel Cragg wrote that Cook's initial cash offer was "not only evidence of a crime" but admissible at trial to show he tried to coax Trimble to perjure herself by changing her sworn testimony.

"This does not pass the smell test, and can and should be admissible as evidence of Cook's consciousness of guilt," Cragg's filing read. The Star Tribune obtained a copy of the document Thursday, hours before it was sealed by Dakota County Judge Jamie Cork.

Trimble's personal injury lawsuit against Cook is set for trial in front of Cork next year. A hearing on the recent filing is set for Monday afternoon. Lawyers for Cook and Trimble did not comment.

Cook, who was released by the Vikings in June after six seasons, remains available as a free agent. In November 2021, Trimble filed a lawsuit against Cook alleging physical and emotional abuse. He then filed a defamation lawsuit against her in Hennepin County. Both cases are pending.

In a deposition, Cook said he was aware that his lawyers had initially offered Trimble $800,000 in May to provide a sworn affidavit exonerating him of wrongdoing, the filing said.

After Trimble's lawyer told Cook's counsel that she wouldn't sign a "fraudulent affidavit," his lawyers increased the offer a few hours later to $1 million. That higher offer required Trimble to sign a letter to the NFL "relieving Mr. Cook of a wrongdoing" in language to be negotiated. Trimble rejected the second offer as well.

Cragg's latest filing also describes Trimble's sworn allegations against Cook, saying that after he threw her over a couch and into the coffee table, her forehead and nose gushed blood. When she went upstairs to wash off the blood, Cook followed her, threw her down, pinned her to the ground, punched and choked her then grabbed his rifle, pointed it at her head and yelled death threats, the filing said.

At one point, he grabbed a broomstick and beat her before throwing her against a wall. When she fell to the ground, Cook continued to kick her in the hips and ribs before she got up and ran down the driveway in search of help, but he led her back to the house and took her phone, the filing said.

The police were not called to his Inver Grove Heights home in the incident on Nov. 19, 2021, when Trimble has said she flew to Minnesota to break up with Cook and get her things from his house.

According to her initial lawsuit, Cook and Trimble met on a Florida beach in 2018 and began an off-and-on sometimes rocky relationship.