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But as far as Mahomes' cash, are they storing up bigger problems or managing their cap better? |
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Lamar Jackson's contract supposedly has cap hits of $74M in 2026 and 2027, but I suspect Baltimore is gonna wiggle out of those bigger cap numbers with some creative accounting. |
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The Chiefs were fine with the team friendly contract when it was signed back in 2020 but Mahomes got greedy. He wanted his yearly cap hit average to be at the top again so blame him. And it's gonna be really ****ing hard to win the next 2 years after this with him making so much and picking late in the draft. Him and his agent have already said they will revisit the contract in 2026 to do the next installment, so the $57 million and $60 million cap hits the next 2 years are pretty much finalized. Hopefully he figures out, if he hasn't already this year, how making so much hurts his legacy and goes with another team friendly deal when they redo it again in 3 years. |
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The cap hits to the QB are the important issues to managing the roster next few years. The cash out is not my problem or yours. |
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How about not wasting $20M per year on the most penalized offensive lineman in the entire league? Taylor ain't that great at pass protection or run-blocking, even if you want to ignore the penalty problems. How about not wasting $10-11M per year on MVS when the Packers & Rodgers wanted to get rid of the guy? The KC front office has had some poor evaluations. |
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MVS is bad and Thuney cap hit near year is gross but we also have tons of good to great players on rookie deals. We are in a strong position but the strategy has to change. If Veach is planning for SB window 7 years from now that needs to stop. He needs to focus on maxing out rings next 3-4 years. |
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They went through this with Flacco so why wouldn't they with Lamar? And they got good players like Ronnie Stanley, Marlon Humphrey, Zay Flowers and Kyle Hamilton bc they had a lot of down years and picked in the teens, not the end of every round like us. Just wait. That team will look different soon enough. Lamar makes top 10 QB money starting next year. Their star DT who is a FA is probably gone bc of that. This is by far their best chance to win a ring with Lamar |
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Lamar's athleticism is his calling card so they need to win now before he is past 30. They are doing everything correctly. Zay Flowers was selected in the 20's. They have been one of the top NFL teams at drafting for a long time. |
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The difference is that we have been drafting 32 or 31 for 4 years now and they have been drafting at around 20. HUGE difference. That affects every round in the draft. The huge signing bonus for his new 6-year $260 Million contract is most of that cash. |
This draft looks a lot better at wr than last year. Lots of big fast guys and a few burners too. I’m guessing that we sign a cheap fa wr and draft a wr or two in the draft.
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Sign Lockett as a FA. He's 31 years old but elite speed has never been his hallmark. He's a outstanding route runner, sure-handed, and is creative when the play breaks down (see him and Wilson for years) and those are all things this WR room desperately has been lacking. Add Higgins or Aiyuk, move Rice inside to the slot for a majority of the snaps, and this WR room will do a complete 180. I've also seen projections that have us taking Ben Sinnott from Kansas State later in the draft. He's a swiss army knife type player that is similar to Kyle Juszczyk, but we need a multi-faceted fullback/TE on this roster and he would help replace some of Kelce's production assuming he retires/starts phasing out. |
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And I just don’t get it. The window is the widest open it’s ever been and we can’t take for granted for a second every second we have with kelce, to some extent Reid, and even to some extent mahomes. We can afford to be a little worse later if it builds our championship pedigree today. |
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Pickens is a head case that only has 3 routes that he can run. Higgins is likely going to get a huge bag. He is a UFA by the way. He is on the wrong list in your post. Pittman is also likely to get a huge bag. There is still a lot to learn about all of these college WRs. |
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I think Pittman costs too much and it'll be multi years, I'd like him given how well he's done in a pretty chappy situation . Higgins the same and I'm less convinced he's a top guy for another team without a no.1. Evans is old but someone will pay him more than we can, and he'll take it given he has a ring.
I like Boyd but he's a slot guy and you have to think we'll prioritise an outside guy first. Ridley I'm not massive on and I think we'd overpay. Marquise Brown is a bit of an undersized outsized guy but he's quick and dependable. I'd imagine we'd try one of those after being priced out of others. |
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This year the plan was to remove the 1 decent WR and then not replace him with anyone who knew what they were doing. |
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Not to mention it's 2023....defense doesn't win, QB play and weapons are what win. Just mind numbing... |
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You don't trust a repeat SB win to children. It's fine to dream your picks hit but you need to have real NFL WR's on your roster that can perform and they didn't bother. Took the $$$ away from a weak group and used it to buy more defensive depth with no #1 or #2 WR on the roster. |
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Should the Ravens have kept Trent Dilfer and made him the face of their franchise since he was the QB of the Super Bowl winners? Apparently so...don't talk about all the other factors that went into that SB, that means that works. I think a lot of Chiefs fans need to come to grips that last year was a heist...and I don't even mean that in a negative way but if we're all being honest, that wasn't our Super Bowl to win. We stole one like the Rams stole the Super Bowl in 21/22 when the Chiefs were clearly the best team. I'm not bitching about Tyreek...I was making the point that when you trade that guy, you're clearly pivoting away from an offensive powerhouse of a team WHICH THEY DID. How's this year working out for that? You don't think it'd be any different next year if they neglect the offense again? |
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And if last year disproves what I said than EVERYONE is wrong about MVS because based on last year, he's a decent to pretty good WR...
ANYONE willing to go out on that ****ing limb??? Yeah didn't think so... |
I'm taking the perspective of; we just need guys who are able to get open and run a good route. Not that speed isn't important, but not every guy needs to be able to break it for the house.
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Still can find the $$ to give a turnstile at RT 20 mil. per season and a completely mid safety 3 years 31.5 mil....but I agree, penny pinch at one the most important positions. |
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Why would you take away your #1WR from a WEAK WR room and not replace them? MVS was a high priced decoy. That's all he was and at best a #3 in Green Bay when they had a Davante. James has done almost nothing in he NFL but was a cheap flier. Skyy Moore did nothing and had no traits or things you could even hope on. Why would you treat this worse than teams that are REBUILDING when we are supposed to be competing for Super Bowls? Imagine telling people about how Mahomes led his team to 5 straight AFC Championships in his first 5 years and why it didn't happen year 6 someday. Oh, our GM and coach wanted to develop a low talent draft pick to see what would happen. |
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Now explain why their high paid QB is allowed to have weapon after weapon after weapon and our QB cannot get even basic dudes who can play in the NFL. Or how their 4th or 5th WR in Duvernay who normally does not play is BETTER than our highest paid WR? |
I only realized today how the silver lining to all this is no one is suggesting the Chiefs sign Derrick Henry or Saquon Barkley. We may not even get a thread about how we should get Kareem Hunt back this offseason. Imagine that.
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But the Ravens got zero superbowls out of Lamars rookie deal and are now in the first year of a mega deal for him, going into year 2 of his deal next year they have limited cap space and are paying 20m in total to 5 players to not be on the team (including 11m cap hit for OBJ in 2024 and further cap hits all the way out to 2027!). Any team including the Chiefs could pack in a high risk signing with cap implications stretching out multiple years after the player is no longer undercontract, but I am pretty glad the Chiefs have not done that. Lamar's window could already be closing if they stumble this year, based on the decisions they have made. I think this angst about "our QB is not allowed to have weapons!" is only justified if the Chiefs don't do much to address the receiver positions this offseason. |
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Did he believe in Chris Jones and his ability to get the contract extension done? I believe that is most of the problem. When you are always pushing the top of the cap you are going to have to work things out with big $$$$ contract situations ahead of time. Jones screwed that situation up big time. So the only blame he bears is that he believed that Jones would be extended because of what Jones had/has consistently said. |
We need to sign the correct type of WR for this Andy Reid west coast offense. Do not get caught up in the stats a WR has put up in a different type of offense.
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"The Chiefs lucked into the SB, and it had little to do with the moves they made including the Tyreek trade, so I'm not going to give the FO in particular much credit." What a load of shit. The Chiefs had the best overall draft in the history of the franchise, and many of those guys played a huge role in that SB run. It worked last year. It didn't this year. That's the only thing both sides need to come to grips with. |
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The other was a draft pick, with a pick significantly higher than the Chiefs, who isn't any more productive than Rice. |
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The Ravens flipped that in one off-season. One draft pick (their third first round WR in the past 4 years and the first one who actually landed) and mid-tier FA signing. Before that; the complaints were always that they didn’t have enough weapons. Last year, the Chiefs had enough weapons. The mix of the room worked because MVS was a credible enough big-play guy to keep defenses deep and the dependable possession guy was productive as a complement to Kelce. They were the best offense in the league. This year’s plan at WR didn’t work, but a lot of things went wrong for that to happen. MVS regressing. No progression from Moore. Early injury to Kelce. James getting hurt. Toney got hurt and flaked. It’s frustrating, but people are WAY too emotional about this on here. |
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Last year the Chiefs didn't have weapons. They had Kelce who is a HOF unicorn that was already on the roster when Veach took over 6 years ago. Veach then traded his HOF #1 WR away. So that's subtraction and used that to build defense. He signed JuJu who was a good bandaid and functional but I would not call that a weapon. If the plan was to tread water then you don't let your #1 WR from your SB team walk and not replace. Not only did Veach decline to do that in FA (he spent the money for a JuJu resign/replacement on more defense) but he refused to add at trade deadline when it was obvious the plan was broken. We went into the year with no #1 or #2 WR. That's negligence on a SB contender. |
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Omenihu has been great and impactful. Edwards and Tranquill have proven to be awesome additions. Jones has continued to make plays while demanding double teams and is a game-wrecker. Things on the offensive side of the shuffle haven't worked out, but just ONE of the WR things being a positive instead of a negative (MVS is the same, or Moore steps forward, or Toney steps forward, or James is healthy and upgrades his production) changes the view of things so much. KC is 8-6 with 4 losses that swung on one play (DET, GB, BUF, PHI). And people are acting like they need to blow it up. |
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Yes, if the goal was to build the best defense possible it worked. If you look at the cost to do so which was trading away your #1WR, letting your new #1 WR then walk, and using your first round pick on a defensive player that is just depth and also not helping your offense then was it worth breaking your #1 elite offense to get marginally better on D? Because I think the D from 2022 to 2023 gets better with almost no attention this offseason as we had young, cheap talent going into Year 2 where players normally make a jump. |
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The plan was to tread water by throwing numbers at replacing Smith-Schuster. THERE. :CLAP: WAS :CLAP: NO :CLAP: TRADE :CLAP: TO :CLAP: BE :CLAP: MADE :CLAP: AT :CLAP: THE :CLAP: DEADLINE. Other than the one the Chiefs did make - bringing back someone who had been a useful weapon in this offense and could quickly get up to speed. But this whole "They should have traded for a WR!" thing some of you keep hammering is like me shouting "I should have hooked up with Alexandra Daddario!" |
It's going to be a real challenge to build a power house for any team with an expensive QB. Brady was cheaper by a lot in 22.
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That's just silly. How do you know there was no trade to be made? Your feelings? We know that Veach and Reid flat out said they didn't call anyone or inquire because they wanted to develop Skyy Moore! We also know players like Jerry Jeudy were being shopped but that teams weren't offering what they wanted. Now I'm using that as an example but that's how it works. If you offer the right team not competing enough most will part with someone we could use. We didn't try AND we didn't have the $$$ ready to do so. That is not a good look to not be ready to improve your team when you employ a risky No WR build. Now you say well we were great last year with Kelce and JuJu so that's the formula. If that is true, they didn't bother to replicate the formula as they took more $$$$ from the offense and used it on defensive depth with no #1 or #2 WR on the roster. |
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Hint: Lamar has 19 passing TDs to Mahomes' 26. The biggest difference offensively is that their offense isn't constantly shooting themsevles in the foot. That's it. |
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And they didn't bother. One 10 million dollar or so cap hit or how about OBJ which Duncan called a "mid-tier" signing. Yeah, sign me up for that because you add one good vet WR like a DHop or OBJ plus Rice emerging as useful and we walk to the AFC Championship. For all the mistakes it was not that far away but they had to cut, cut, cut to the bone on $$$$ for WR's for no reason. |
The Ravens have done jack shit in the post season.
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They also added weapons to their offense and we took away. |
A part of the conversation that is not going on is the actual play concepts.
Kurt Warner and Jason Dunn have both commented publicly that the route concepts we have been running do not work together as they should and have in the past. |
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It's a logical assumption. They tried to replicate that formula by throwing numbers at it and trusting that to work out. They tried. And it didn't work out. Had Valdes-Scantling stayed where he was in 2022 and Rice still emerged this way, things would probably still have looked a lot more like last year. But Valdes-Scantling dropped back, Rice is talented but still a rookie, and Toney missed TC with an injury and then flaked out when he was healthy, and Moore didn't progress, and the nice depth backup plan they added (James) got hurt early and hasn't made an impact in his return. |
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Veach got it wrong. I think he got the OT situation wrong. I think a decent wedge of money spent of the defense WOULD be better spent on the offense. But, I've no idea the extent to which he got it wrong because it's impossible to know all the variables. Who was available at what cost and when etc. There's definitely draft picks I'd swap but that's the same with every GM I guess, I certainly wasn't clamouring for defensive picks to be prioritised.The test is next year. This year the offense he's built is not good enough. Let's see how he fixes it. |
Higgins and trade up for a WR in the first round. Let's make this offense great again.
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You can’t blame veach for doubling down on it. But we’re seeing the flaws in the long term strategy. And several of us were uneasy about skimping on offense to do it. We can’t just blame this on regression as if we have the right players but they just suck a little more. They regressed because defenses adjusted to us and now we have the wrong players and they don’t have enough talent to overcome defenses playing us better. This year we’re back to talent being way more important than scheme on offense. Some try to use the “who could’ve seen this happen” statement as if we didn’t triple down on slots with serious limitations on the outside, as if we didn’t triple down on catch and run guys, let alone getting a little cute trying to prove we can moneyball our way through the next decade. All the while playing roulette with our coaching staff. That’s ok. We bandaid this offense this year, which I still am hopeful we can.the good news is we learned a valuable lesson, even if it was the hard way. This team goes as the offense goes. That is always going to be our best path to success. |
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As for the coaching deficiencies. I think they're there in terms I've mentioned above. I feel less confident they're rectified aside from Reid adapting. The rest will stay and be subpar, but with the right talent it won't matter. |
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That’s all fair. The plan failed. It failed because a lot of things went wrong. They need to approach things differently this off-season, and I think they will. |
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People need to stop with Higgins and Aiyuk AND using a first-round pick. If you have one of those two players, you are not going to have a pick in the first. |
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I am not saying it's easy. But Veach/Reid chose the path of trading away their #1 HOF WR and so it is on them to figure it out. Just saying everything isn't a reasonable price looks like a bad idea when there are no veteran WR's on the team our QB trusts. Giving massive playing time to guys like Skyy Moore, Justin Watson, Toney, and MVS in a Mahomes prime year and one of the last years of Travis Kelce is gross negligence and roster mismanagement. |
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2021 first round pick 2022 second round pick 2023 second round pick Free agent Free agent That's what is in the wide receiver room. To say they haven't prioritize the position especially with draft capital is just being a jackass. Their plan failed but to say they haven't done anything especially in the draft is just being a jackass. |
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Same with Toney who was always injured and who they never put on the field much. |
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Just because you waste a draft pick on him doesn't mean you have to play him. Green Bay drafted Amari Rogers in the 3rd recently and he also looked like Skyy year 1. Then they went into camp year 2 and cut him. |
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