Opening lines are all on algorhythms and more data than you can imagine. The opening line was -3 to -3.5. The line then moves on the wagers coming in...

I don’t think this Ravens team is better than Phili last year.

We can beat them

Idk, I'm just not scared of Lamar in a playoff game of this magnitude with Mahomes/Spags :shrug:

Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph both beat the ****ing Ravens I’m not worried about shit

I'm not scared of Lamar, but that defense is mean.

Reminds me of the 49ers in 2019. Sure, we beat them, but it wasn't easy.

Jackson vs Mahomes was supposed to be what Mahomes/Allen and Mahomes/Burrow turned into. Excited to finally get the matchup.

Spags will win the game.

I genuinely hope a narrative develops that BAL should win blah blah. Chiefs unequivocally use that as motivation and play with more conviction because of it. Started with CIN in the AFCCG last year, and then in the SB, and again yesterday with the road game BS.

And Watson..:LOL:

Yeah. I agree.

Running the ball is great, but you have to be able to throw.

Sure he’s improved as a passer, but he still relies on the threat of running to be successful. That has not changed, as much as people want that to be true.

He had 148 rushing attempts again this season, which is the 6th highest ever by a QB. Jackson also has 2 of the other top 6 (Hurts has 2, Fields has 1).

He might be the running QB who breaks the mold and wins the big one. He’d be the anomaly though. It really hasn’t worked for any others.

Jackson will have to make the big throws in this game. We’ll see if he can.

Lets be real.....

We had 7 drops in that game after not having any drops leading into that week. four of those drops would have been touchdowns.

Mason Rudolph beat the ravens when our starters were sitting and only by 7 points.

Basically we beat ourselves in that game.

divisional game...

You were beaten by the Raiders last I checked.

You have a 2-4 record against playoff teams heading into yesterdays game.

Ravens set a record for beating teams that ended with 10 wins.

Yup. His WR's outside of Flowers aren't anything to fear.

Spags needs to stop the Matt Dickerson experiment though. Goddamn that guy sucks

If the Ravens don't run the ball 40+ times in this game, someone on their staff needs to be fired.

Gotcha, thanks... yeah, that is a bit odd then, at the very least for the Phins, while a couple of the spreads this weekend were 9.5. It was easy to see the Phins were paper champs and didn't have a chance.

I can at least see the data pointing at the Bills last night... being 4-1 against playoff teams (IIRC) while the Chiefs were 1-4 (despite close games).

Literally none of that shit ever matters. It's the same mistake fans of every single team we play come up with - some regular season random BS.

Chiefs offense was spotty all year, and yet amazing in both playoff games.

It's a lot more relevant that the Ravens weren't tested in their game, against a young team that wasn't meant to be there. It doesn't prepare you for the heavyweight fight coming. We see that year after year.

Welcome to the board a-wipe. Drink antifreeze...aids fire death...bundle of sticks... yada yada. Chiefs by 100.

I kinda forgot how bad Purdy was in that game against the Ravens.

4 picks on the first 7 drives. If Mahomes does that, we’re obviously losing this one.

Ravens scored 3 TDs on drives of 53, 44, and 9 yards. 49ers ran the ball well (7.4 yards per carry for McCaffrey), but dug a huge hole with all those turnovers.

Crazy that the 49ers went into half only down 4. They moved the ball well when they weren’t throwing picks.

Regular season losses don't matter once you're this deep in the playoffs. It's a clean slate. Our teams are who they are right now, not who they were a month ago.

I agree, none of that shit matters. Wouldn't say you were amazing last night. Offense was good against a defense that is basically on IR.

I only mentioned it due to one of your members saying we lost to Watson. Divisional games are divisional games, they can always be unpredictable. Especially in the AFCNorth which is a very physical division.

The Ravens starters hadn't played since week 17 after we beat the Dolphins. We came out a bit rusty. We didn't allow one offensive touchdown. I'd say it was a pretty good game.

Yeah, that's how it works - you prove it.

Lamar has a losing playoff record. I'm not going to believe he beats Rudolph in a playoff game until the guy does it. He chokes in playoff games.

With the evidence we've seen Lamar does not win in the playoffs. With the evidence we've seen KC has been in the SB 3 of the last 4 years.

I know where my money's going...

This is the story of our season or this game would be at Arrowhead again... spare us your woes...

Stafford put up 31 on this defense. Other than that, they've been very tough against opposing QBs. They are very good in the red zone.

Stafford is no Mahomes...

Minshew dropped 38 in their house as well.

The Bengals dropped 24 when they and Burrow were playing like dogshit at the beginning of the season.

Meanwhile KC hasn't allowed 30 pts all year.

Mahomes vs. a top D has been done. It doesn't work for the top D.

Jackson vs. a top D? We don't know. He usually loses long before then...

The Colts only scored 22 in their game against the Ravens this year. Minshew threw for 227. Colts just field goaled them to death.

That's a strategy we're fully capable of implementing...

I feel like the Ravens should win but even Lamar is like "the Chiefs are our kryptonite" so it's hard not to see them choking so I'm going Chiefs by 3

If Lamar can make that throw Josh made to Shakir they might beat us.

In the end, that's not a throw Lamar makes.

And their skill position players don't worry me. At ALL. Nor does their OL.

I really think this comes down to our OL blocking their front.

If we score 24, we win. Maybe 21.

Yup got them confused with the Browns. My bad.

My opinion here. Lamar and Allen are the same but opposites. They can hurt you with their arms or legs but differently.

Allen makes you respect his ridiculous arm talent, which makes him a dangerous runner (being a giant mother****er doesn’t hurt either).

Jackson makes you respect his ridiculous elusiveness and speed, which makes him a dangerous passer.

I’m convinced Spags simply was not going to let Allen throw all over field on us, and he didn’t.

I wonder if he loads up against the run more this week and just dares Jackson to throw against these DBs.

Baltimore and Chiefs haters are gonna twist and contort a lot of arguments, use a lot of regular season statistics, that’s all fine and well, do you

But you should know better by now. Mahomes is 1 of 1. The stats go out the window come playoffs. You are dealing with the best, most clutch player to ever wear cleats. Can you win? Sure. Does ANYTHING you’ve done up to this point matter? Nah.

Stopping the more physical phat backs seems to be more of an issue for us anyway. We stop the BMore running game we stop their offense...

Just keep the game close going into the 4th. Even the Texans were capable of that. I think that's really all we have to do.

Could tell the team unlocked a new level of satisfaction being the road team. A team with championship DNA can galvanize in these spots. They know they can shut a whole stadium up because they’ve done it all before. Villain hat fits this team so well nowadays.

Yes. Because you can stop Baltimore's passing attack with single high.

In fact you want to, because you want to choke the middle of the field against their TE with Cover 3 zone at times. Alternate between Cover 3 zone and single high man you will endlessly frustrate Lamar.

And disguise the shit out of it by showing two high looks presnap.

And Lamar struggles throwing outside.

The Chiefs have personnel that matches up incredibly well with Lamar.

They have perfect spy guys, the right coverage guys who will absolutely dominate, and fast, athletic ends to contain the edge.

The biggest issue is going to be DT play but we've managed that all year.

Wonder if Morris takes some reps at LG as a contingency in case they try to exploit Allegreti with Madubike

Defending Gus Edwards and Justice Hill should be MUCH easier than Cook and Mostert/Achance. I'm more concerned with the talent of the RB than the play style.

But stopping Lamar more difficult than stopping Allen in the run game...

Disagree. You have to respect Allen's passing and he's just such a ****ing load on top of everything.

I don't think we have to respect Lamar's passing.

I was talking to a buddy about this the other day.

When you look back at a lot of Brady or Manning postseason wins, there’s a lot of revisionist “well of course Brady/Manning beat THAT team, look at their QB”. At the time though, it seemed much more even.

Matt Ryan and Cam Newton won MVPs in the years they lost to Manning/Brady just to come up small when it mattered most (even though Manning was awful that year).

Wouldn’t shock me if we looked back on this year and said “well no shit Mahomes beat Goff in the Super Bowl. Duh.”

The shine has already completely come off of Jalen Hurts and that 49er team. “Of course Mahomes beat Hurts and Garropolo in the Super Bowl. No surprise there.”

Good teams with decent QBs get completely forgotten in history when they play the all time elite QBs.

They have a running back playing QB.

It's different. Stopping Lamar means actually getting your arms on him. Stopping Allen means he's typically dragging you 10 yards before you do so - even with 2-3 guys. You still need a spy on Lamar, and I'm hopeful Willie is healthy enough to get that done for us. BTW, Tranquill played a HELL of a game last night. Props to him.

http://https://x.com/pff_chiefs/stat...576171954?s=46

Trey Smith with ANOTHER monster game last night. No pressures allowed.

In the games I’ve watched, Lamar had made a ton of heroic like plays to extend drives. Like the one I remember in 2019 during the regular season when he would just heave a ball into coverage and someone would come down with it.

I expect plenty of those attempts but there’s no magic way to prevent it, just gotta hope our DBs are disciplined and compete through every whistle.

That is true…AND I think Coochie had a good point that MVS made a couple of really nice stretch plays last night that opened up things up a bit. If MVS can make that kind of meaningful contribution, then we are in good shape.

Further to your point, I hope Donovan Smith starts this weekend.

Listen I'm not gonna be a homer here and act like losing Thuney isn't a big loss. It is. Madubuike is a top 5 DT this year and Thuney eviscerated Ed Oliver last night.

No that doesn't mean that we're doomed or that we're gonna lose. It sucks though. Thuney is so incredible at his job.

Gonna have to roll with Allegretti and set up some different looks

Ravens are a pretty good team. My prediction: KC 56, BAL 0

Welcome to the board, you bundle of sticks! LMAO

I’d say the Ravens have the best shot at beating KC than any team I. The playoffs did. Harbaugh is a great coach, your GM has put together a great roster. I think it comes down to quarterback play. It’s gonna be difficult for both qbs I think. Both defenses are very well coached and disciplined. In a playoff game where it comes down to the quarterback making the plays to get to the SB. I’m taking Mahomes/Reid 10/10 times. But I think it’s gonna be a nut tugger if a game for both fan bases. And probably one of the best games of the season. Good luck, and hoping for no injuries on either side.

Go Chiefs!

Lamar is going to be pressing, all the pressure in the world is on him in this game..on top of that any type of pressure or anything that resets him turns him into a high school passer due to his really bizarre throwing motion that isn't exactly repeatable.

Obviously this game isn’t the Super Bowl, but it sure does feel like it’s for the Lombardi.

Don’t think there’s a chance in hell either NFC can beat Baltimore given what we saw this year between those teams.

I’d give them an outside chance against KC, but in a big spot like that, you know the Chiefs coming off the biggest road win in franchise history arguably would be so tough to defeat.

Damn it is good to have you back, brother.

Chug some antifreeze and die in an AIDS fire.
(This is my way of saying "Welcome, opposing fan. You seem OK).

Have we heard about Thuney yet?

Correct. You can hit Allen with 5 guys and he will truck forward. Lamar isn’t running over anyone.

These are the good times. :toast::toast:

Lamar will either hit the deck or go out of bounds, he avoids hits every time he can.

No and I wouldn’t expect Andy to provide much at noon either unfortunately

I haven’t thought about it a ton because well, we won, but man was Allen on a heater last night.

I’m mind blown that he performed that well. Seems to always bring his best against us anymore and damn it makes the game stressful.

Lamar will have a hard time replicating that degree of difficulty for the KC defense.

damn, calling the shutout is ballsy, I had chiefs 62-8

This defense isn't losing to Purdy or Goff.

Allen looked that way because they completely nerfed him, that coaching staff was scared he would **** up and turn the ball over causing a loss.

He completed 16 balls behind the LOS, a playoff record. They literally ran the ball and turned him into charlie checkdown.

It says a lot when a coaching staff in their biggest game says to their best player "we really need you to not be you"

yea and it makes the “oh boo hoo the bills let josh down again” narrative all the more annoying

if lamar had under 200 yards on 40 passes the media would be going to TOWN on him. but joshi poo? oh no his bad bad receivers dropped balls

The Super Bowl is gonna be NE/LAR in 2018 for the Chiefs or Ravens. Both defenses wil kill Purdy or Goff

I kinda feel like a Buccaneers vs Packers NFCCG is coming for us vs the Ravens.

Packers were really rolling by the end of that 2020-2021 season. Had the 1 seed. Won impressively against the Rams in the divisional round while Tampa won a close one against the Saints on the road.

Then they ran into Brady and an elite defense, just as the Buccaneers were starting to figure it out. Buccaneers jumped out early and the Packers came back, but couldn’t get over the hump and it was over.

There was a national analyst\talk show person who mentioned that the Chiefs are alot like that 2020 Bucs team a few weeks ago. Thought that was interesting.

We don’t have the multitude of offensive weapons that they did, but Mahomes is better than that version of Brady was.

Mahomes also doesn’t have to beat Rodgers and Mahomes. He has to beat Lamar and Purdy/Goff.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all.

I’ve wondered a lot if the Ravens peaked too early. It’s hard to maintain that success for this long.

Cowherd

I don't think you can read much -good or bad- into how the Chiefs' D defended Allen in the run game, as it relates to Lamar Jackson. They're just so different.

Both incredibly dangerous. With both, you have to have guys in the right place to make the play. With Allen, making the play involves actually bringing him down, and he's so big (and they're so willing to push a pile he's in the middle of), that even stopping him could still mean another 2-5 yards of "push" yards. With Jackson, it's more about not letting him make a move and get past you. He's not going to take on contact and drive you for a few extra, cheap yards, and their OL isn't going to come in and push/drive a pile with him in the middle. Not like Buffalo.

Allen also has so much arm strength and such crazy accuracy that he can do what he did for the TD to Shakir (which was a crazy throw/play the likes of which only a few can make... to escape, get to their non-throwing side, and then deliver that ball with that accuracy and that zip... you're basically talking Allen, Mahomes, Stafford, maybe Stroud, Herbert). Jackson just isn't going to make that type of throw (where you get everything you want on D and it still doesn't work).

Oh ****. Well, never mind.

Disregard my above posts.

Great summary
:clap:

Agreed. I think your comparison could be right.

Could have been but I don't really remember to be honest. It is interesting comparison along with what smithandrew posted.

if you're going to be a bear, might as well be a grizzly bear

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Like it or not, the Regular season is our preseason. Not excited about that, but that seems to be the way the team played this year. Lack of focus, boredom...

It's playoff time now. Baltimore is a very good team, but you can't compare regular season Chiefs to playoff Chiefs. Vegas knows this, thus the line. We should be underdogs, but you can never count us out. If we lose, we lose, but if it's close, the pressure is going to be through the roof for the Ravens. If Lamar handles it and beats us, hats off. However, that is yet to be seen.

I still think the best comparison is the 2010's Patriots teams. Great QB, great TE with a mix of WRs but no real #1 type and a really good defense.

Lamar Jackson has all the pressure...he has to play Mahomes, he is supposed to win, history of choking in the playoffs...not an enviable spot for him.

This Ravens defense played a handful of elite offenses this year. The 49ers, Dolphins, Lions, and Rams. Two of those teams, the 49ers (429 yards of offense) and the Rams (410 yards of offense), had success moving the ball.

The Dolphins were basically figured out by the end of the year. The dominant performance against the Lions stands out, but that was Week 7.

That game was also in Baltimore and Goff is a significantly worse player on the road.

Why's the media acting like the Ravens have the clear-cut best defense in the league?

They've been consistently allowing around 400 yds vs any decent offense they've played recently. Browns and Rams both dropped 30+ on them within the last several weeks.