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I think Veach is his plug

Feel like I heard this same thing 20 times last offseason. We are oh SO close!

I would point to the Von Miller contract as a cautionary tale. I think everyone wants Jones here, but just not at all costs.

It's only a cautionary tale because he got hurt at his age.

There's a injury risk to every contract. I don't know how people are ok taking that injury risk at 28 million but 30 is just way too much.

And Chris Jones is 29. Von Miller was 33 when he signed that contract. Two totally different scenarios. Not to even mention Von was a year removed from missing an entire season with an injury and had multiple other major injuries in his career including an ACL tear. The situations are not comparable at all.

Same shit, another day...keep hearing the same things over and over again with no results.

I hope it gets done, just preparing myself for the other outcome.

Not arguing the difference between $28 and $30 million at all. Just pointing out that Miller was dominant even after missing an entire season. He got hurt and now they are cutting other players because they are stuck with his salary as his performance dropped off significantly. DTs tend to drop off some around the 30 year old mark. Not implying that this will be the case with Jones, it’s something to consider. While not an exact apples to apples comparison the concept of the cap space and dead money remains there.

The longer you’re in the league the more likely you are to get hurt unfortunately. Mitch Schwartz was an iron man for health until he wasn’t. Joe Thuney was until he wasn’t this year (did he tear his pec?), Fisher for injured at 30 and it ended his career, Kelce started having injury concerns last year and they legit thought his knee injury was season ending at first, Tamba Hali started having bad injury problems at 33.

It’s a real concern paying these guys insane money once they enter their 30’s, especially if you already have a highly paid QB on the cap.

why are people getting upset that we haven’t signed Jones yet, just after winning the SB a few weeks ago? put the pitchforks down.

It's almost like we've seen this movie before.

If we can resign Jones and Kelce plays another few years I’d say we win probably 4 more in next 10 years. If Jones is gone that number probably drops to 2. Mahomes can make receivers look good. He turned Rashee Rice into Jerry Rice.

I don't know how many are upset per se, I think we all just see the reality that if he gets to FA, he's probably going to get an offer that the Chiefs won't match.

For the record, I'm totally ok with that...I'd love to have CJ back but I also trust Veach and co. 100% to have a plan and make it work.

**** this waiting shit! Vorch buddy ya got one day to sign him or else I’m writing a complaint letter to the Clarks about you!!!!

i’m sure a good GM like veach has a backup plan. tyreek left and we did just fine. if jones leaves i will be greatly disappointed, but i’m not throwing in the towel with 15 and Reid still on the team.

Because a line has to be drawn somewhere.

But ultimately the issue is that the only way we can really get this WRONG is if Jones gets paid and gets hurt or stops playing hard. And with Jones we've seen him stop playing hard for pretty prolonged periods of time. He's not above taking plays off.

That's a risk you have to consider.

Because ultimately not spending it on Jones doesn't mean it won't get spent. That cap space will get used on players and probably pretty damn good ones. If it's spent on a single guy, your risk of rolling snakeyes is a little higher.

And you can't just keep hitting 'bid' in these scenarios. If your puke point is $29 million, you can't just go "eh, another million won't hurt..." Set your number and stand by it. And if the deal doesn't get done, you have to move along.

That's where this frustration is coming from. The public statements for about 18 months have been along the lines of "we'll get this done..." and yet here we are. Still. With this not having gotten done.

I do as well. The only thing that I'm not ok with is the fact that if he walks, KC gets nothing. (Except cap space). But that's only because I don't know plan B at this time.

Not to beat the point to death but if I keep hearing how optimistic they are and it doesn't get done it's going to be tough to believe anything else they say. Noit that anyone gives a shit what we believe but still.

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But again, letting him walk and getting nothing but cap space is a better scenario than paying him only to see him get hurt and/or shut it down having now gotten his 3rd big $$$$ deal.

It's just not common to see players continue to excel on their 3rd contract. It's just a question of motivation.

This isn't like the NBA where you have Bird rights that actually encourage you to 'overpay' for your own guys and allow you to go over the cap to get those deals done. Chris Jones is, for all intents and purposes, a free agent. Oh not formally, but it's how his agents are playing it. And if Jones were a free agent, we wouldn't be saying "Oh no, if we can't get him signed, we won't get any compensation..."

No - we'd just go onto the next possible option(s). And that's just not the end of the world. Veach has shot his shot here. He appears to have been extremely aggressive in terms of AAV and guaranteed dollars. If that's not good enough, then you just have to move on.

It's not exactly "nothing;" if Jones walks it's a future 3rd.

Have we signed this hall of fame piece of shit yet?

Eh - in all likelihood we'd sign other guys that end up offsetting that comp pick. We may still get something, but we're in win-now mode; we're spending up to the cap and likely doing so as aggressively as possible.

Maybe. It’s all a part of the formula, but not a guaranteed 3rd.

really wish the NFL cap was like NBA. The incumbent team can sign a player for an extra year, which makes for a richer deal than all the players want. This often facilitates Sign & Trade where everyone gets something of value.

Or a cap apron they can go over to sign their own guys by paying some luxury tax.

Until proven otherwise, his agents are gonna play hardball for top dollar. It's what they did last year. I assume they are hoping to get north of $32M per year from someone else in the market.

Shouldn't there be an announcement, like today? I don't have the patience to wait another 7,302 minutes until free agency begins

Yeah, it's all about the risk.

And when you're in a Super Bowl window in the middle of a dynasty, the best way to blow it up is to take on too much risk.

Signing Christian Wilkins for $5-6M/AAV less than Jones, for example, and using the rest of that money to sign, say, Tair Tartt to go with him in the middle, gives you less ultimate upside (though still a pretty nice amount) but also much more floor.

It's basically a high 4th.

For a HOF player.

If this is over 3 or 4 million you pay the man his money and move on. Play hardball with a player you can afford to lose...

Oh, I agree. When I say that it bothers me that we didn't get anything for him , I was referring to the fact that I was wanting to trade him last year, before the draft. But, he proved to be very instrumental in winning another Super Bowl, so I can live with the fact that we if we lose him, we're not getting anything for him, but in reality we already did, which was another Super Bowl title.

IF I'M CHRIS
- Why not wait and see what the open market has to offer within the legal tampering period (Monday at noon)? Would the Chiefs really pull their best and final offer?

IF I'M VEACH
- I submit my best and final offer on Sunday, and hope Chris accepts. If he doesn't, and it floats for a day or two, I tell him I have to pursue another route.


When he hits the tampering period, he's going to see some ridiculous numbers. And then he'll have a choice - home town discount to stay, or chase the money. If he waits too long, KC will have to move on - lesson learned with OBJ last year.

You submit your best offer Sunday if you are Veach so you can quickly move forward Monday if he doesn't accept. No time to waste if they want Wilkins for example.

Yep, i edited it to account for that.

Cannot be left swinging in the wind again like we were with OBJ.

My fear is that is what will happen

No evidence so far of a plan b and we will end up reaching for an average player as we did with Taylor.


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Except for the last several years of Veach and his approach to FA.

If Jones isn't done by the legal tampering window, he'll have a matter of hours to change his mind. Not days.

Because if the window opens, Veach is moving on. He's going after Wilkins or Chase Young or Leonard Williams.

He's not going to sit on his capital while the options dry up (and then the lack of options gets used as a lever against him by other agents). It's simply not how he's operated.

He absolutely has a Plan B. And C and D and E if necessary. Which is why this absolutely cannot be a "Pay Jones whatever he wants" scenario.

Yep. As long as Jones kept them employed, figured that'd be the case. It's unfortunate, but there's only so much you can do when you're working with obstinate jackasses only focused on the $$$. I figured maybe Chris would realize his interests and theirs don't exactly align since he's made it more than obvious he wants to stay, but that hasn't born anything of consequence and they're still his representation.

Mentioned it last night, but right now you know those greaseball Katz bros are filling Chris' head with shit about what he deserves and dollar amounts that team X, Y, and Z are going to offer.

But Chris is the one who has to ultimately flush out all the emotions, history, and goals he holds in KC to put pen to paper for another franchise. Shit like this is always so much easier said than done.

Or maybe Chris has looked at his last 2 years and Aaron Donald’s last 2 years and feels he’s better and deserves more money, which is completely fair.

Doesn’t mean Veach is gonna hand him that but I understand the thought there

I think what you mean to say is re-sign.

Oh, and your premise is based on a ton of variables. I wouldn't say it is either or.

He probably does feel that way but will that money, which he 1000% does not need, be enough to leave a great ****ing situation as a lifer in KC to go somewhere it won't get better?

Veach literally has said this in interviews. Literally talking about having backup plans to an almost annoying redundancy. This is 100% correct.

He’s got 3 rings and is probably getting into the HOF one day. He didn’t grow up a Chiefs fan guys.

His legacy is cemented regardless. I can understand going for the bag since it’s his last chance to strike big

TJ Watt had to ignore his agents to get the deal done with the Steelers. I don't believe the same will happen with Chris Jones.

Chris Jones watch...
 

Like I said , there was no evidence of that planning with OBJ and Taylor last year. It was more like cut OBJ and acquire whoever happened to be available at the time. Which happened to be Taylor. And overpay for him. Even if it was a plan it wasn’t some kind of genius move.


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Thats the problem with dealing with an agency that only really has one big client. They need the payday worse then their client. They also need the headlines in hopes to attract another big name or two.

Chris Jones’ agents already probably have “off the record” tentative offers in place from the not-legal tampering that goes on with agents and teams at the Combine and this week.

I wonder what players are thinking in these situations. I mean, Chris only has to look at the Tyreek Hill situation to see a glaring example of a player with buyer's remorse.

Yep, they know the market. Chiefs won't match it. So he's probably heading somewhere else. The question is whether Sneed is also going as well.

If they are able to sign Jones fir a reasonable number then I am all about that...but if the numbers are not there we wish him the best of luck except when he is facing the Chiefs.

If he.goes to the Raiders, Broncos or the Bengals then he is as.dead to me as Neil Smith was when he went.to the Broncos.

He’s got 3 rings and is damn close to being HOF. He could go somewhere, get paid and get stats. This isn’t a Hill situation.

Remember though that this will be Jones’ final big contract. He also has three rings compared to one for Hill. Not sure Jones would feel the same buyers remorse that Hill is feeling.

Tyreek already has a ring and got hundreds of millions and he's cemented his rep as the best WR in the league and hall of famer with the Dolphins. He wouldn't have had two near 2000 yard seasons here. Doubt there's much buyers remorse. Would he like 2 additional rings? Of course but I doubt he would give up what he's gotten in Miami for it.

Fans are WAY more invested in additional rings than players are especially non QB players. A runny doesn't move the needle on legacy as much as a 2000 MVP type (if MVP wasn't a defacto quarterback award) season.

I really don't even think the extra rings matter that much when I say it's gonna be hard for him to walk away

It's just simple quality of life, I find it very hard to believe Chris wants change before or after his parade speech

Unfair to compare him to Neil Smith. As I understand that scenario, Neil was offered good money by the Chiefs, but he was determined to get more, so he went free agent. Denver offered him much less and he tried to return to the Chiefs and get the original offer. At that point the Chiefs only offered him what Denver had offered because he had found out nobody would pay him what the Chiefs would have originally. Since the Chiefs wouldn't give him the original deal he signed with Denver for the same amount of money that KC would have paid.

The deal with Chris Jones has yet to play out, but it's hardly comparable to what happened with Neil Smith.

Jones cant say he turned down Aaron Donald money until he reaches next week and turns it down.

If that matters to him, he will have to reach free agency.

Right now, the Chiefs have just under $2 million cap space. They haven't even restructured and or cut anyone to make room for Jones. If we don't see any moves in the next few days, Jones is gone. There is simply too much money tied up in Jawaan False Start Taylor. Omenihu too carries a $10 million cap hit.

The Taylor deal was disastrous and showed a real lack of foresight/planning


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KC offered $27.5M per season last year. Jones turned it down and then pulled a holdout. I assume they are offering him similar money right now, perhaps more than that. But there is good reason to believe he'll sign with someone else for an extra $5M per year.

That Taylor deal? The RT who showed up in the playoffs and kept Mahomes clean? That one?

****ing idiots.

Ravens sign their guy
https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/17...498705218?s=20

So an average of $24.5 million. Nothing groundbreaking.

I can’t wait for the penalties to go back to normal next year.

A lot of people will have to backtrack.

If he signs somewhere else for more money, I'll be disappointed, but I can understand why he would do that. I may not agree, but it's his decision.

I don't know if you're agreeing with the prior poster or not, but Neil Smith signed with Denver as a **** you to the Chiefs when it was him that caused the whole situation. I don't think Neil Smith and Chris Jones are comparable here.

If this is the market I don't see how Jones gets what he wants.

Lighten up Francis...

Juwaan was fine after Collinsworth and the shit refs early in the year. He and Smith accounted for less than $25m in salary, probably one of the cheapest pair of tackles in the league. Also, Jones is counting nothing on the cap right now for this year and they need to be compliant on the 13th at 4pm EST. If he signs, it will go on next years then the rule of 51 kicks in. In the mean time, there will be cuts made and restructures if needed. There are no barriers to signing Jones for the new contract year, and/or paying Sneed on the Franchise Tag, although that wouldn't be ideal to pay both.

ROFL Yeah, Taylor is much more valuable to this team than Jones...talk about being an idiot. I don't care about one good 4 game streak where he allowed no sacks. I care more about the guy who was the best player on defense for 3 super bowl seasons.

Anyone want to point where I said that Taylor is more important than Jones?

75m in guaranteed money though?


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Big signing bonus and most of it guaranteed, but I can’t see Jones getting 30 aav Now

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Taylor is not worth his contract at $25 million a year, which is my point. Taylor was one of one of the lowest PFF graded tackles this year. And he's the highest paid RT in terms of AAV.

You didn't.

He should NEVER have.

Using Donald as the staking horse is aggravating as hell when DT is one of the most obviously established markets in all of football. There were 3 comparable DTs signed to extensions last offseason and none of them got more than $24 milllion, IIRC. And Madubuike's contract falls right in line with the established market.

There's a single damn outlier in the entire HISTORY of the DT market and it's Aaron Donald. And that's what Jones and his people continue to point to as 'fair'. It's ridiculous.

And it's why Veach needs to make an offer similar to the offer he made last year (something like 3/$82.5 and almost fully guaranteed) and if that's not enough just move on.

I'm tired of this whole thing. The Chiefs have been extremely reasonable here and Chris "I want to play in KC forever...provided they capitulate to my unreasonable demands" Jones and his agents haven't been.

And if he goes out into the market and gets Donald money - fine. B'bye. We absolutely cannot do that so I hope you enjoy Houston.

Well thank God he didn't get $25 million/season then...

His cap hit is $25M for the next 3 years. He's getting paid $20 million each year from 2024 to 2026.

There’s your issue. Stop looking at PFF as if it knows what it’s trying to show.

RealSNR be like..

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Well if some random nobody on X thinks that Chris Jones should surpass Aaron Donald’s contract then it MUST be correct.

Katz bros smiling with a shit eating grin. Madubuike now has highest gauranteed money from a DT. $10 million more than Donald.

That’s the new floor

So....double down on disingenuous? I guess that's one way to do it.

Rumor was the Chiefs offered Jones $80 million in guarantees last season.

The Katz brothers are just in the habit of saying no.

I'd encourage them to find success elsewhere at this point.