Hope he doesn't lose his hunger and just give up, now that he has the big contract. Sure would be nice if he continued to play like he did when he was incentive loaded.

That's a lot of scratch, keep the fire going Chris.

Completely not his personality to do that.

The thing I noticed is you posting shit like “he’s gone” over and over in threads and offering nothing to go with it. Just negative shit posting for no reason.

This.

In Burt I trust.

Basically my take too.

If Cullen is around for the duration of Jones’ contract, it’s a guarantee the fire wont go out. CJ has a deep well of intrinsic motivation, but if it ever wavers, Cullen primes the pumps in a hurry.

i think there was a conglemeration of factors that this made since this year. We have a legit chance at a 3peat, injuries and lack of talent on the DL. He’s like a coach out there now.

You saw the mic’s up. Players needed to be talked to about doing the right thing. Jones had them all in a circle already telling them what Spags was coming over to tell them. I got this coach and Spags turns around and leaves. That has so much value. Spags as a coach telling them something is one thing. But, Jones who they admire and respect telling them something is a whole different level.

The whole damn team ran over to him when he got the sack and the million bucks.

It’s a lot longer shot to win the 3 peat if Jones isn’t on the team. In the salary cap era, who know if it will ever be done. If we pull ia 3 pest off, it’ll out live all of us.

that’s the risk for sure. 30+ and getting the bag. Do they lose that upper level passion for the game?

The highest paid C in the league makes $13.5 million APY. Justin Reid is making more this year.

Cheapest position on the field outside of RB and now S. No reason to not get this done

I dunno he's definitely been known to take a LOT of plays off.
Overall, I'm happy to have him back, but let's be real here.

Nah. Draft a 3rd round center next year. Call it a day. Save 11.5 mil per. Centers don't matter much in our system compared to other teams.

Or if Jason Kelce wants to come play on the vet min, by all means. Don't know how retirement shit works though.

I am not sure he comes out of retirement for league min. :) Jason Kelce signed a 1 year, $14,250,000 contract with the Philadelphia Eagles, including a $10,335,000 signing bonus, $14,250,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $14,250,000. In 2024, Kelce will earn a base salary of $1,500,000, while carrying a cap hit of $10,178,000 and a dead cap value of $25,116,000.

Holy shit! He got Brett to bend!

Eh - that's not what I've seen.

I saw a guy who played like his hair was on fire in the last game of the season to get that bonus. I saw a guy who had historically bad run defense through the first 3 quarters last season because there were no incentives to be earned via run defense.

I wouldn't say it's likely - but coin flip odds don't see wholly unreasonable. Maybe he keep driving for the 3-peat but if things go bad at some point, I'm not sure I have a ton of faith in him keeping his head down and leading that DL room.

When has he ever done that?

You just don't like the signing.

He just signed a new deal a month or so ago. I couldn’t find how many years it was for, but maybe it was posted on here.

He’s getting doubled every play , sometimes his job is just to occupy as many guys as he can not sure I consider that taking a play off. He has to conserve energy on long drives too fighting doubles all day

Which is why I think we’ll approve of the structure. It’s a 3 year deal per the gauranteed $$. If for some reason worst case happens we can get out after year 2 and suck it up one year before it’s a clean cut.

You've got it backwards.

It's because of that tendency that I'm...wary...of the signing. I'm not jumping up and down and calling it a disaster. I'm simply not popping Champaign corks here either.

His incentives (and probably offseason payday) were going to be tied to his pass-rush ability. So I think he took essentially took run downs off last season to save himself for the pass rush snaps. He had the worst run-defense of his career last season.

Do I care a great deal? Nah, not really - that's not his job. I'd like him to get back to where he was in 2021 and 2022 on run def, but it's secondary . Run defense is not my concern. If he's the same player for the next 3 years that he was in 2023, the deal is fine. It'll work out for us.

My concern is that he was willing to take those plays off to boost his 'money' stats. And so it makes me wonder if it was the money that was driving him. I'm not saying it is - I'm just not willing to say it isn't.

It's never as simple as I think it'll be, but I'm kinda thinking:

$60 million signing bonus and base salaries of 10/12/13 over the first 3 years.

So cap hits of $22 million, 24 million and 25 million in the first three seasons. Then you June 1 cut him and spread the remaining $24 million in dead money over '27 and '28.

Maybe $25/30 million in salaries in '27/'28 but I don't expect he'll play on those numbers.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs DT Chris Jones&#39; new five-year deal (which will come in around $160 million) has $95 million over its first three years. The first two years (2024-25) are fully guaranteed at signing. His 2026 money vests as guaranteed in March 2025.<br><br>Other details still being ironed out.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1766848477579886977?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Great deal

Exactly how I’ve felt.

If you could in a vaccum have this deal, or Christian Wilkins for 23 million/yr I think I’m taking Wilkins. Lose a little in the pass rush, but gain a lot in the run D. Jones is still the better player obviously. But I don’t know about 10 a year better.

I love how the third year vests next offseason. If a major injury happens this year, Veach covered us.

Yeah - there was just no way to know. And never truly will be now.

Because if Jones hits the market, Wilkins is the 2nd best DT out there. That's going to impact his earning potential in a cap rich league. Teams will overpay for best of breed a little more. Now that Wilkins is the top available DT, he'll get the benefit of that instead of Jones.

So it wouldn't surprise me to see him leverage nearer $25 million/yr. Had Jones hit the market, who knows? Is that closer to $21/$22 million? You're likely to have a more rational decision made w/r/t Wilkins rather than just "pay what I have to pay to get the best available guy on the market" that he'll likely see now.

And if the Dolphins really let him walk because they didn't want to pay him $21 million, I think that'll prove to be penny wise and pound foolish for them.

Veach is the man

Not if there's a $50-60 million signing bonus.

You're talking about accelerating $40+ million onto the cap next season. That injury would have to literally be of the "Never going to play again" variety. An Alex Smith style compound fracture.

And in that event, our cap is STILL royally ****ed.

I am thrilled that we locked up Chris. I had stayed quiet in this whole deal as I thought we just couldn't sign him for what he would get offered next week. I had given up that we would lose a player that are as rare as diamonds at his position. He would have been tough to replace. I love Sneed but we can replace him we have a lot of young promise just waiting in the wings. I learned my lesson with Chevarious that Veatch can find good CB's. So happy to have Chris here for the long haul. I can't wait for his speech in Canton Ohio when he hangs it up!

What if there’s a more reasonable, Chiefs-sized bonus, like $25 or 30M?

That’s where I think we see this land. That 95m over the first three years is going to include 10-12 million in cap charges against the last two years…

By time we get to the last two years we could be looking at a 300 million cap where 12 million isn't horrible to absorb.

Gotta make for some pretty stout cap hits in years 1-2-3 in that case.

I mean a $30 million signing bonus would require salaries of $17.5, $22.5 and $25 million over the first 3 years.

So $23.5, $28.5 and $31 million in those seasons.

I kinda like my approach better. More risk but more short-term flexibility.

Probably a tiny bit more than I wanted to pay but I'm happy that Jones is back. Trade Sneed and get this offseason rolling.

On the surface I don’t disagree with that, but there’s something important to be said about continuity, not to mention the fact that the Jones is the primary leader of the defense.

For that price I would’ve been fine if they signed him or passed. I definitely didn’t think they were going that high to begin with, but I’ll trust the direction they went.

Lots of talk that the cap will be going up 30-40m each year the next 3-4. New tv deals/gambling money and international money is kicking in. This is the first year of it hitting the cap. BV mentioned it 2 years ago.

Does this contract take us out of the running for a decent free agent WR?

No


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Obviously there are large risks with this deal, but these are some aspects I keep thinking about...

1. I would hate to see Chris Jones on another team, terrorizing Mahomes in a Playoff game like what he did to Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, and Brock Purdy the last couple years during super important moments of the biggest games.

2. At least you are not paying top dollar for a dude from another team, like they did with Frank Clark or Sammy Watkins or Jawaan Taylor. Chris Jones has already done unbelievable stuff to help this team win 3 championships.

3. You were already paying Chris Jones $20M per year. So he was already an expensive player. It's not like we are jumping from a 7th round rookie contract to suddenly paying the dude $32M per year. That's what the Niners are gonna be doing with Brock Purdy when he goes from less than $1M per year to $60M per year, lol

No way his signing bonus was that big.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Keeping Chris Jones was the MOST IMPORTANT offseason move for the <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> Last 3 years Jones is #1 in QB pressures amongst Defensive tackles and #5 amongst all rushers. The core 4 of Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce and <a href="https://twitter.com/StoneColdJones?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@StoneColdJones</a> gives them the best chance to 3 peat <a href="https://t.co/R54labuBfl">pic.twitter.com/R54labuBfl</a></p>&mdash; Robert Griffin III (@RGIII) <a href="https://twitter.com/RGIII/status/1766852618209411206?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That's a lot of chedda for a non-QB.

I like the flexibility but have a hard time believing the Chiefs wrote a bonus that big. More likely it is reasonably sized now with another restructure point next year or the year after.

If you bonus our $30M at signing, and then another $12M in 2025, and then another $9M in 2026, you bonus out $51M and defer $24M in bonus proration to the last two years.

Six/one half dozen/another.

On a scale of 1 to insufferable how crazy is the freakout Soren Petro is having right now, after guaranteeing up and down that Chris Jones was gone for like three years now and especially in the last month

If they are going to run a "workout" with Mahomes at some college campus again, I think Mahomes showed with Rice that he has some scouting ability for the team. Mahomes working out with some of these guys increases our ability to draft a WR rather than have to sign a free agent. That might put us in line to sign a free agent OT instead.

You just wanted to use that phrase LMAO

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To Soren:

James 4:13-17

13 Look here, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we are going to a certain town and will stay there a year. We will do business there and make a profit.” 14 How do you know what your life will be like tomorrow? Your life is like the morning fog—it’s here a little while, then it’s gone. 15 What you ought to say is, “If the Lord wants us to, we will live and do this or that.” 16 Otherwise you are boasting about your own pretentious plans, and all such boasting is evil.

17 Remember, it is sin to know what you ought to do and then not do it.

No one knows the future except Jesus !!

You’ll probably think you’re some kind of martyr here, but please shut up.

That's a very simplistic view. There are usually more variables.

Oh **** off.

I don’t think Soren posts on http://www.chiefsplanet.com

You might need to send him a letter or a text message or something if you want to make sure he gets your message

I don't follow him.

But I think it would be pretty easy to just switch and say,

Well, time will tell if KC overpaid.

If Jones also earns the full value of his contract during the long regular season, that would be great. I'm not really expecting that.

Which isn't me saying Jones isn't going to be good. But he's going to be paid a little under 2 million a game? Now obviously every player has better or worse games and not everything they do shows up in a stat sheet etc. But I will be pleasantly surprised to see ~2 M of performance game in game out...

I see it as good regular season but then as keeping him especially for the post season and maybe key moments in the regular season. And perhaps other things like leadership or whatever you want to call it.

I can see why people are excited. I hope it pays off.

But time will tell...

The GDT's are going to be fun whenever Chris Jones is getting doubled all game and doesn't have a sack ROFL

That's all I have been saying but what's done is done. Good he's still for 24 at least.

I couldn't be happier. I'd still like us to draft a DT within the first couple of rounds.

Our defense should still be stacked next season.

Time to get to work on the offense.

Eh. They’ve already been a huge blast during SB seasons. Why not add a “greedy fat happy Chris Jones” log onto those tire fires?

Wallcrawler will spend at least 100 posts bitching about Jones next season.

Yeah, he’s going to have an aneurysm or a heart attack.

It’ll be a funny listen for sure.

He’s been pretty negative about a lot of Chiefs moves, except the Hill trade. Which is funny, because the results have been uhhh ya know 3 Lombardis.

Never a doubt!

That’s all you’ve been saying…

Sure bud.

That’s a bummer

We don’t need Jones to get sacks, he does so much stuff that you can’t count. Batted passes, pressures, double team rates. Hes legit a first ballot hall of famer

His whole philosophy is about acquiring picks and constantly adding more young players to the roster.

That’s one way to go about building a team and is very analytics-driven.

But it ignores that picks aren’t guarantees and stars are stars…

My favorite subset of fan is the one who cherishes their favorite team owner's money...as though it were their own.

Paying home grown talent is way to go. Much rather see them give a bag to a guy like Jones than over pay a mercenary. The only one that didn't get good ROI in recent memory is the Berry contract. On the flip side it's seems it's the outside guys that didn't live up to the contact.

The man ****ing cried before the last home games and used “our last time playing together here” motivation for the defense.

I have zero concerns about his motivation and he’s really grown into a big time leader on the defense over the last 2 years. These guys go all the way for CJ95.

The Berry and Houston contracts killed us for a long time, coupled with the Matt Cassel nonsense.

i wonder if the $95 million guaranteed was a Veach idea, Hey #95 what if we did this...

Yup. He advocates to trade down almost every year.

Which is fine, when you trade down and still take Chris Jones. But it also makes you miss out on Trent McDuffie.

Veach seems to have found a nice balance between acquiring picks and retaining talent. Also, seems like Veach acknowledges that he’s much more likely to replace Sneed than Jones. We know his record with DBs.

What if Veach drafts another Chris Jones?

I'm hoping we get a good WR in free agency and make the OL our first priority in the draft, Would love a double TE set as well. Guess you can't have everything

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Clark Hunt! ����*����<br>A+</p>&mdash; Chris Jones (@StoneColdJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/StoneColdJones/status/1766955508278120574?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Okay that’s a good tweet by Jones. Obvious shade at the NFLPA survey.

I mean, getting picks is great. But sometimes you need to get difference-making talent. At some point, having a deep roster of good players can be trumped by a roster with a few superstars.

OK Limits all.....

I'm not worried about Mr. Chris not living up to this contract. I think him and the other stars on this team understand where this team is historically, and it matters to them. I fully expect Jones to ball out this season to achieve the 3-peat and extend the dynasty. Mahomes, Kelce and Jones will lead this team through the season and it's going to be great. Can't wait!

To me, it’s all about balance and understanding who you are as a franchise.

I agree with trading Sneed because we have so much success finding DBs.

I agree with paying Jones, because we haven’t found as much DT talent. Some nice players but nothing like Jones.

Yeah and I don't see a lot wrong with his philosophy in a vacuum he's just so annoyingly adamant that it's the ONLY way and 100% a done deal that Chris is gone and that's the only way to win.


It's like, hey Soren I like you but you aren't doing yourself any favors acting like you know how to run a team better than Veach who keeps winning Super Bowls.

And that’s really the key point.

The know it all shit works when the team sucks. It sounds dumb to say “I told you so” in the middle of a dynasty.

I love Chris Jones. For sure top 3 DT of my lifetime. I wanna get excited about this contract. I just can’t help but think the money could of been better spent somewhere else. It seems like everybody’s really happy and I hate to be that guy, idk..