Seems like he's kinda light for a LT. I'm guessing he's a good athlete being he was a 1st round pick

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J/K...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> HC Andy Reid on potentially adding free agent LT Donovan Smith: &quot;Listen, that&#39;s Veach&#39;s area. I&#39;m not going to say no. . . &quot; <br><br>Adds of Wanya Morris and Kingsley Suamataia: &quot;They&#39;re getting better.&quot;</p>&mdash; Charles Goldman (@goldmctNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/goldmctNFL/status/1856045895990620217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 11, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

“I’m not going to say no.” Hard to recall another time Andy delivered a Bill Selfian message through the press like this.

When I made that post I was thinking like 5 weeks. I hope it's sooner than that.

He's only 30, hopefully this turns into a long term fix as well

They had Paris Johnson Jr, who was the 6th overall pick in 2023, ready to take over.

If he plays as well as he’s capable, it will be very hard to justify letting him go. That said, my guess is they’ll take the comp pick he’s going to bring if he earns a big contract and move on. It’s just how they seem to roll these days.

So, I asked a couple buddies of mine here in PHX about DJ, to get a Cards fan perspective. In a nutshell, he was well-liked by fans/teammates, everyone fells he had a lot of talent, particularly as a run-blocker. However, he has been guilty of drawing a lot of false start flags, has some focus issues. But overall, was a consistent pass-protector most of the time.

What if Smith doesn't ask for the bag, and instead wants a nice contract so he can keep playing with his best friend?

Is there a cap number that makes you want Smith back?

I feel like Hunt being the main back doesn't really help Smith, but Pacheco seems to make the entire offensive line better because of his style versus Hunt's style. I can't really break down why exactly, as I am at work, but I feel like other people will understand what I mean.

The revolving door at LT and WR needs to stop, however I am losing faith in Veach's abilities in drafting long term solutions outside of DBs

We really need that 1st seed bye

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I already told you, we're winning four games in a row.

At 13-1 Bills fans are going to be sweating so ****ing bad.

This IS a team of destiny.

Jesus he's athletic.

We're going back to Fisher plays.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs Newest LT D.J. Humphries on 3rd Down Dropbacks vs Bengals Star Trey Hendrickson.... <a href="https://t.co/69uCCodFxO">pic.twitter.com/69uCCodFxO</a></p>&mdash; DMac Wake (@DMacWake316) <a href="https://twitter.com/DMacWake316/status/1860127065992995258?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 23, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I also have some draft concerns. I do think its not just a Veach thing. Andy surely has his input. Im sure Andy wanted CEH, Hardman, Sky, Worthy FAU and Kingsley. Looks like this years draft may not contribute to the 3 peat. Example: There are so many rookie receivers doing so much better than Worthy. Chiefs have traded or missed on more top draft choices than hit.

If not for Kelce, Jones and Mahomes KC is not winning big. Veach was not the guy drafting these guys.

I like Veach. I do think he gets way too much credit and too much blame. Andy is in on everything and Spags too. Mahomes certainly has input.

Holy shit a rookie receiver has six ****ing TDs and he's not contributing to the threepeat LMAO

I hate this place so much this week.

Like do you idiots even realize Xavier Worthy is literally going to score 10+ TDs this year. Not even counting the postseason.

Stupid ****ing morons.

THe TDS are awesome. The rest of his production is not. First round pick. He hopefully will get much better soon.

Appears you have a seious attitude challenges & communication skills to work on. Good luck with that.

Why wouldn't he? He's been inches away from big plays and mostly cuz Mahomes is leading him out of bounds. They will get on the same page, and it's lights out for the rest of the league.

Im rooting for this! I like Hicks and Wiley. Looks like they are mostly next year contributors.

I mean it sucks picking last in the draft every year. Maybe we should tank for those top picks? Good ****ing Gawd.

You're a total buffoon. Jaden Hicks has played over 250 snaps for this team, too. Yes, no one is contributing. LMAO

Keep working on those interpersonal skills. One step at a time.

And if Mahomes actually threw him a good ball he'd have 175+ more yards

You've lost the argument, so you resort to personal attacks. LMAO

This.

Worthy is getting separation on those deep passing plays… can’t teach that.

Everything else can be corrected.

And Mahomes needs to get better protection to throw more accurate deep passes… it’s not all on Worthy.

Agree! Lets hope its this year!

Agree.

THIS all the way! Hopefully this fix @ LT will resolve that issue.

Don't forget Mr. Limpet.

I... don't understand where people are coming from with draft concerns when it comes to Veach.

Lets go down the list of failures in the top picks.

Hardman is a decent role player and returner. Maybe that's underwhelming for a 2nd rounder, but its far from a bust.

MEH was GOOD his rookie year until the injury with the Saints that I sincerely believe ruined him. I'd take it back because RBs in the first round aren't great value but whatever.

Moore is horrible, you're right on this one.

FAU is still a work in progress in my opinion. If he doesn't show it early next year, I doubt its happening. We'll see.

Same with Kingsley. It looks pretty bad now, but its way too early to call.

Worthy is doing fine, chill out. Mentioning him with the likes of Skyy Moore is ridiculous.

And even then thats a handful of guys that are "bad" picks compared to Bolton, Creed, McDuffie, Karlaftis, and Rashee Rice as successful top picks and the enormous amount of talent he's found after the first two rounds.

There's just, so little to complain about with Veach. Hes not perfect,, but he's damn close to it. I don't understand what he realistically should be doing better.

Now we can run WASP! ON EVERY PLAY!

I read he lost alot of weight will be interesting to see how fast he can put that back on and gain his strength this is about a great of a signing you can make at this point

This guy kicks ass.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Humphries in a double team with the TE does a good job of giving help initially, but you can see the high football IQ he has to break off at the last second and hammer the LB. <a href="https://t.co/UYYDtNe9VZ">pic.twitter.com/UYYDtNe9VZ</a></p>&mdash; Caleb James (@CJScoobs) <a href="https://twitter.com/CJScoobs/status/1860175183962866033?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 23, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

From what I heard this has been the plan for over a month and he's known as long as everything went according to plan he'd be a Chief. With knowing this I think he's probably further along then most think.

Well ahit even if he's 80% of what he was thats a great addition.

I will be really surprised if this guy is more than a back up for Morris. They know Morris has been pretty good the last few weeks, but they need a back up for him. On the other hand I didn't think there was a chance he'd sign here. Maybe they told him he'd get the starting job in a couple of weeks. I think if Morris goes down and this dude plays well, then Morris ain't getting on the field again.

Eh - IDK - lets take a look...this is all subjective but pretty fair IMO


2017:
No. 10 – Patrick Mahomes QB - A+
No. 59 – Tanoh Kpassagnon DE - C (7 yrs, 16.5 Sacks)
No. 86 – Kareem Hunt, RB - A
No. 139 – Jehu Chesson, WR - F (2 yrs, 6 targets 3 receptions)
No. 183 – Ukeme Eligwe, OLB - F - (2 yrs, 1 Sack)
No. 218 – Leon McQuay, S - F - (1 yr, 1 PD)

2018:
No. 46 - Breeland Speaks DE - F - (1yr, 1.5 sacks)
No. 75 - Derrick Nnadi DT - B+ (7 yrs, 5 sacks, 86 games started)
No. 100 - Dorian O'Daniel - LB - D+ (4 yrs, 1 sack)
No. 124 - Armani Watts S - D+ (4 yrs, 1 Sack)
No. 196 - Tremon Smith CB - C+ ( 7 yrs, 2 Int)
No. 198 - Kahlil McKenzie DT - F (2 yrs, 12 tackles)

2019:
No. 56 - Mecole Hardman - WR - B (6 yrs, 16 TDs)
No. 63 - Juan Thornhill S - B+( 6 yrs, 8 INT)
No. 84 - Khalen Saunders - DT - B+ (6 yrs, 5.5 Sacks)
No. 201 - Rashad Fenton - CB - D+ (4 yrs, 2 INT)
No. 214 - Darwin Thompson - RB - D (2 yrs, 2 TDs)
No. 216 - Nick Allegretti G - B+ (6 yrs, 24 games started)

2020:
No.32 - Clyde Edwards-Helaire - RB - D+ (5 yrs, 12 TDs)
No.63 - Willie Gay Jr. - LB - B+ (5 yrs, 5 sacks, 54 games started)
No. 96 - Lucas Niang - T - F (4 years, 9 games started)
No.138 - L'Jarius Sneed - DB - A+
No.177 - Michael Danna - DE - A- (5 years, 17.5 sacks)
No. 237 - Bopete Keyes - CB - F (2 yrs, 8 tackles)

2021:
No. 58 Nick Bolton - LB - A
No. 63 Creed Humphrey - C - A
No. 144 Joshua Kaindoh - DE - F (1 year)
No. 162 Noah Gray - TE - A- (4 years, 6 TD's, 25 games started)
No. 181 Cornell Powell - WR - D- (4 years, Practice squad champ)
No. 226 Trey Smith - G - A

2022:
No. 21 - Trent McDuffie - CB - A+
No. 30 - George Karlaftis - DE - A
No. 54 - Skyy Moore WR - F (3 years, 1 TD)
No. 62 - Bryan Cook S - B (3 years, 2 INT, 23 games started)
No. 103 - Leo Chenal LB - B (3 years, 5 sacks, 27 games started)
No. 135 - Joshua Williams - CB - B- (3 years, 1 INT, 7 games started)
No. 145 - Darian Kinnard - OT - F ( 2 years)
No. 243 - Jaylen Watson - CB - A
No. 251 - Isiah Pacheco - RB - A
No. 260 - Nazeeh Johnson - CB - C (3 years)

2023:
No. 31 - Felix Anudike-Uzomah - DE - C (2 years, 2 sacks)
No. 55 - Rashee Rice - WR - A
No. 92 - Wanya Morris - T - B- (2 years, 12 games started)
No. 119 - Chamarri Conner - CB - B (2 years, 3 INT)
No. 166 - BJ Thompson - DE (TBD)
No. 194 - Keondre Coburn - DT - F (2 years, 1 game started)
No. 250 - Nic Jones - CB - F (2 years)

2024:
No.28) - Xavier Worthy- WR - B-
No. 63 - Kingsley Suamataia - T - D
No. 131 - Jared Wiley TE - D
No. 133 - Jaden Hicks - S - B
No. 159 - Hunter Nourzad C - C
No. 211 - Kamal Hadden CB - F
No. 248 - C.J. Hanson - G - F

He read post #65

Your scale needs some way to account for round value imo. You can't just add up a bunch of Fs from 6th round picks and say "Wow look at all those Fs!" 6th round picks are supposed to fail. For what we got out of Allegretti as a 6th round pick, that's an A. Fs should be reserved for high round picks that do nothing like Skyy imo. Hardman maybe should be more like a C given how high he was picked.

Also would be interesting to stack up against a bunch of other team's drafts using the same methodology.

He’s the Caitlin Clark or GMs

draft grades after 10 weeks LMAO

You're being pretty generous with FAU. He's well into his 2nd season and doesn't seem to have made much if any headway into fixing what will always hold him back as a pro, and that's his relatively glacial reaction to the snap. There's a lot of mediocre to bad in this DE rotation currently, and he's at the bottom of it.

It's possible to grade someone to this point - and if they didn't make the team....that doesn't mean it can't change - don't be such a douche.

It's not about the # of F's so much as the number of A's and B's - there are 6th and 7th round A's and B's

And yeah, you're a complete ****ing buffoon if you're actually lamenting the Worthy pick. Anyone with an iota of sense should be able to see the near limitless potential once Mahomes and Worthy develop as a duo together.

You're high.

Morris is a bum.

Humphries will start unless he is injured, sooner than later.

Bro... Veach wasn't GM in 2017.

I don't care what the power dynamic was with the team pissed off at Dorsey. Veach wasn't making the choices.

Then he should probably be pretty happy - outside of Mahomes and Hunt it was pretty stinky

JFC you morons are absolutely clueless.

The Chiefs are easily one of the best drafting teams of the last several years, and that's while picking at the bottom of every ****ing round. Get a ****ing clue.

EVERYBODY MISSES.

Talking to a packers fan today. Kept bitching about how awful Lucas Van Ness is.

LMAO I don't understand how you can criticize the entire body of work of Brett Veach at this point. Sure, are there a couple rotten draft picks or free agent signings that might not should've been inked? Sure, but by and large his hyper aggressive approach to fixing problems has been a low key huge part of this dynasty. There have been key contributors in the Super Bowl runs picked up every single time if I'm not mistaken.

I think it's proof that when it comes to everybody's job, there's no job that the average/casual fans understands less. It doesn't take an expert to watch Andy and Pat and see that they're good at their jobs. Even they can easily see that. They have no clue what a good GM looks like though.

Doesn't play like a 290 pound OT.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Humphries opens up his hips, sinks his pads, gets his hands in tight, and delivers a nice punch to the edge defender on the zone run.<br><br>Great pad level and an all-around awesome fundamental play. <a href="https://t.co/H9EFqvR2VR">pic.twitter.com/H9EFqvR2VR</a></p>&mdash; Caleb James (@CJScoobs) <a href="https://twitter.com/CJScoobs/status/1860187594778378318?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 23, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I haven’t been this impressed with a rookie since McDuffie.

Worthy should have at least 8 or 9 TD’s but Mahomes has missed him. That will get fixed.
From the opening game the guy has consistently gotten open. That’s never been a problem for him. He’s excellent tracking the ball and he’s got good hands.

If the biggest problem for him is fixing his sideline awareness, that’s a pretty ****ing fixable issue.

The guy is DeSean Jackson 2.0 in this offense. He’s going to be a huge problem for defenses soon enough

Chiefs aren't even using him that much because they don't want him getting hurt. His usage rate is going up big time in the postseason.

Giving “F” grades on 7th round picks isn’t super fair IMO

21 & 22' were arguably some of the best drafts in franchise history with some other really good sprinkled picks in there.

Nobody is going to go crazy over this stuff but that Suggs signing was really damn good, Dunlap was another damn good signing, and if we win our 3rd straight title alot of its going to be because of the moves he made DURING the year (JuJu, Nuk, Humphries, etc.)

Oh and I can't forget Mike Pennel. Anyone wanna debate that might have been the best Veach pick up? I get it's not the most sexiest position but it's impossible to argue he didn't help turn around our run defense

Don't forget about the Mahomes contract. Seems like a no-brainer. But I bet half the teams in the league would have tried to play hardball and found a way to **** it up (Cincinnati, Dallas).

Instead, Veach/Hunt said, "Here's all the money in the world, let's figure out a way to structure it so we can put a winning team around you. Oh yeah, we can get you a sweetheart deal on a stake in the Royals too."

And didn't Veach sign Butker?

I wonder if they were monitoring Bahktiari and his rehab, as well.

Seems like they had to be monitoring DJ closely because they signed him within hours of getting cleared. BV acted quickly to get puntgod, too shortly after being cleared.

I’m glad we don’t feel the need to field a whole team of boy scouts anymore.

Hunt

I mean if they didn’t make the team and are out of the NFL…

Well sir:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/h...trick-mahomes/

they were but texas tech couldn't beat colorado

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We like “DJ”s at Arrowhead. Welcome aboard, sir. Glad to have you on the ‘ship!

I’d be more than happy seeing him come back in next year too. Let Sumo and Morris continue to develop out of the spot light.

Would also give us a bit more freedom in the draft to fill some of the ‘easier’ holes

Melvin Ingram.

Butker.

These were hugely impactful midseason additions.

Whisper it quietly, Kadarius Toney

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/04/14/nf...icking-players

To prove your point with a non-biased objective article. I came into this thread interested to read about this guy and am shocked all I got was discussion about, checks notes, our GM who has helped us win three super bowls and apparently isn't good at his job. People really are just looking for something to complain about these days.

I HEARD THAT

LOL In fairness, he played pretty damn well right after the trade.

When it comes to position groups, continuity is most important for the offensive line. I think I’d keep a tenured, but average, lineman over a slightly above average new addition. If this were the offseason, I’d agree with you.

What's interesting is I recently saw multiple clips of Hill having a good Mahomes pass bounce off his hands for an INT...he has several in one season. It happened in OT of the Bengals AFCCG too. Nobody shit on him to the point of being benched.

If Toney had been offsides on any play other than the craziest Chiefs TD of the year...no one would have remembered.

His record setting return in the SB made that trade 100% worth it...he must have had really bad juju to fall out of favor to the level he did. The fans turned him faster than I've ever seen on a single player...he had talent.

It's easy to see that they want Humphries to be in camp and ready for the games against Crosby, TJ Watts. Garrett and Denvers guy.

Imagine having 2 different good LT's (Humphries and Morris)that could sub in and out and wear down the pass rush guys like them.

I wouldn't call Wanya "good," but he'd be decent backup/swing tackle in case of injury.

You guys can keep saying that but it will never make it true.

It was a good play by your defender, but Hill’s hand placement, like it was several times through the year, was questionable on that play and there’s a good chance the ball would have went through his hands with or without your CB’s play on the ball. Stronger hands and a more assertive play at the ball likely makes that a catch, but for whatever reason Hill’s hands failed him at the most inopportune times from the Tampa Super Bowl and throughout 2021.

Eli Apple’s play on Hill, unfortunately, was the turning point of that entire game (and very likely the butterfly effecting moment that led us to trade Hill).

yeah, I just don't see why you'd give a lot of snaps to a guy that has made MANY highlight reels for the top DEs. He has been physically manhandled too many times this year. He wasn't even his college team's LT, why would he be considered even a partial solution for the Chiefs? He was a RT that was project to move inside to G at the pro level. I'd like to see him excel at G next year, as they seem to like him.