Oh yes. Totally agree.

Getting back to Hollywood Brown, what do we expect from him on Saturday? I think it's a bit of a fantasy that he will come in and suddenly make our deep passing game relevant again, so will he be an effective replacement for what Rice was giving before he got hurt? I honestly just don't know his game that well and what to expect.

What I keep coming back to is the "he's getting hit and it's messing with his mental timing". Well, all Qb's get hit, it's the NFL.

I dunno. It's weird. He's been knocked around before, is this just a cumulative effect?

As it should be, but I will remind you that this team has already shown those flashes when it needs to.

The game winning drives vs the Bucs, Chargers and Panthers all looked like playoff Mahomes. You’re not gonna go Super Saiyan every single week bud. These teams want to beat us. Every week is another teams SB. The Browns Hard Knocks episode literally proved that. They pumped that game up.

These guys look tired. They look like they need a break bc they do. They know they have less than a week to push for getting a 3 week break to refresh and prepare for the playoff run.

Mahomes is the best 3rd down QB in the league and has 7 game winning drives this year. That’s 1 shy of the NFL record for most in a season.

The flashes are there.

Expecting the 2018 offense to appear? No.

Punting 9 times in a game in which Patrick Mahomes is your QB and Andy Reid is your OC/HC is a problem.

We're back to the "he played well in the 4th quarter, just needed 1 more play" stuff. I'm glad he's been that good on third down, but if you'd be better on 1st and 2nd you wouldn't put so much pressure on yourself on 3rd down.

A lot of that is the running game. No push from the line and no burst from the backs. Teams are sitting on the short stuff and stopping the run. That's why you saw what you saw against Cleveland. They HAVE to find a way to get the ball downfield or they're just throwing themselves at the teeth of the defense play after play.

Pacheco has poor vision.

There's a reason Hunt always seems to look immediately better.

I disagree. I fully expect the passing game plan to look better and more balanced. As far as his individual production? I really don't know. I doubt Andy dials up a lot for him out of the gate, but I still expect his presence to be felt.

Hunt has better vision but it doesn't do as much good when he's so slow.

For sure, but I think the OL has taken some bullets this year for things not necessarily their fault.

Hunt hits the spots much better. I'm sounding like a bitter ass, but I've never been a big Pacheco guy. He brings energy and such, but he's gonna run for what's blocked where it's blocked.

Yeah - Kelce said he would be back (and that Pat would play) on Saturday on the podcast.

I think the biggest difference he'll make is in the intermediate game and on crossers.

We don't have a lot of catch and run in the offense right now. Most of the YAC seems to come on designed quick hitters/screens. The 'gadget plays' that everyone hates.

But we don't get much YAC within the flow of the offense at all and I think Hollywood can help a lot there.

Hunt's only better in short yardage situations.

I'll agree with this. Pacheco is as good as what he's given most of the time and has a hard time making yards/plays on his own. It's not bitter if it's accurate. That said with an above average o-line he can easily be a top 10 RB IMHO.

As far as Hollywood I expect something along the lines of 3 receptions for 21 yards this game. I'm guessing they play him gingerly then break him out full bore for the Pitt & Donx game.

God, I hate those two teams. :#

I honestly would've be shocked to see them get him 4-5 targets in their first scripted 15.

I don't think they plan on working him in slowly.

I would be thrilled with a bunch of on time throws on Saturday. Those have been few and far between lately.

They have to get him worked in early. He needs to be tackled to give him confidence in his ability to take hit. Wouldn't be surprised to see a quick screen to him on the first play

Is there any scenario where the O line doesn’t rise to the occasion? Like what we’ve seen all season kinda not rising to the occasion. Mahomes been sacked career high this year.

That's the real kick in the nuts on Hollywood's injury. It seemed like such a harmless play, and BOOM the guy is gone for 90% of the season before it even gets started. Hard to have much expectation moving forward. Will be nice if he is able to stay healthy for the Playoff games.

Marquise ‘Hollywood’ Brown’s Return Can Help the Chiefs in More Ways Than One

Marquise "Hollywood" Brown was the KC Chiefs' biggest offseason add, and his anticipated return could help the offense find itself heading into the postseason.

The Kansas City Chiefs sit at 13-1, atop the AFC with a 1.5-game lead over the field. With that said, they may have to win two of their remaining three games to secure the one-seed and a bye heading into the postseason.

Kansas City has received reinforcements in Isiah Pacheco and Charles Omenihu over the past few weeks to help with this effort. The good news is that they figure to get another player back this week: Marquise "Hollywood" Brown. The wide receiver's return should elevate the offense by fixing some current warts.

The Chiefs planned to have Brown, Xavier Worthy and Rashee Rice as their wide receiver trio entering the season. Unfortunately, Rice is out for the season but the team brought in DeAndre Hopkins to fill the void. While Hopkins doesn't bring the same dynamic ability that Rice has at this stage, we may finally see what the Chiefs envisioned in the offseason when building the room.

One noticeable thing with the offense is the lack of speed outside of Worthy. At this stage of his career, Travis Kelce no longer scares defenses vertically, and neither do the rest of the tight ends. Hopkins has never been a speedster and JuJu Smith-Schuster no longer has the juice he had earlier on. Justin Watson is theoretically a speed threat, but his speed comes from a build-up. He needs 10 to 20 yards to reach that gear, so it isn't effective in short areas.

Brown brings another weapon with elite speed. When he and Worthy are on the field together, which should be a lot in the playoffs, teams will have to worry about either going vertical. The Chiefs have thrown deep (at least 20 yards downfield) 42 times this season. Sixteen of those tries have gone to Worthy. They don't have a secondary option that they like throwing the ball deep to. The return of Brown will offer them options.

Another place where Brown's speed helps is when teams blitz. Patrick Mahomes's passer rating against the blitz is the lowest of his career by almost 10 points. This can be attributed to the drop in offensive line play and the fact that the receivers don't have the ability to win quickly in their routes. Brown's ability to do so can help Mahomes against blitz looks.

Lastly, teams have been able to play man coverage against the Chiefs more often because they aren't afraid of the weapons beating them consistently. Last year, Brown had a yard-per-route run mark of 1.96 against man coverage. That would be the best of any of the current pass catchers this season. Brown's ability to separate against single matchups could help eliminate some of the coverage pressures and sacks that have occurred this season. He can provide a man-beating weapon the Chiefs desperately need to make the defenses think twice about playing man.

Brown's return can be the boost the Kansas City offense has been looking for all season. They flipped a switch in the postseason last year and if they can do it again with his addition, the offense can be humming when it matters the most.

https://www.ketk.com/sports/sports-i...ways-than-one/

And Pacheco can’t break away for explosive runs.

He has a solid career YPC average… but his longest career run is 48 yards.

Yep. Knew there was a risk when we signed him, but man the first play. Wow.

5 catches, 89 yds, one 2-point conversion reception.

You're welcome, and don't ask me how I know. You seem like a nice guy and I would hate to have to kill you.

i love pacheco’s style and attitude but realistically he’s slightly above average at best in terms of actual production. we could def use a real bellcow back at some point, especially if we’re gonna be built around being a defensive, complementary football team. we just lack any sort of explosiveness in the run game. we’ve gotta be towards the bottom of the league for run plays over 20 yards (and yes I know pacheco has been hurt but I doubt we would have been at the top of that list last season either)

This upcoming draft has a ton of HB talent. The priority needs to be a legit LT but rounds 3 on down I'd be fine with a swing on HBOTF.

Veach loves him a RB with bad vision. Pacheco, Clyde and Steele. He's trying to open a RB school for the blind.

Sucks we can't have you at GM instead of Veach. Guy has done absolutely nothing during his tenure here, but walks around the building with his chest puffed out like he's assembled a team that played in 4 of the last 5 SBs and won 3 of them. THE NERVE OF THAT LOSER! :mad:

I wouldn't go as far as saying Veach is doing a bad job. But I am starting to value great running backs more these days. I for one would absolutely love it if they traded up in the 1st round to grab Jeanty. A badass running back, that's elite would elevate the offense. I like Pacheco and Hunt, but I'm talking a hall of fame level back. Look what Barkley is doing for the Eagles

If they trade up that high it’s going to be for a LT or elite edge.

My bad. Thought we could discuss things on here.

Veach doesn't make any bad draft picks. Andy doesn't make any bad playcalls. Patrick doesn't throw any bad passes.

You happy now?

Ew. That's going to far the other way. There are plenty of good RBs to be had in later rounds.

Weird, unlucky injury history this year for Hollywood. Seems healed up.

“He was doing great in rehab, he had no pain and we were discussing return-to-play opportunities,” Rick Burkholder, the Chiefs’ vice president of sports medicine and performance, said of Brown in September. “But we had one last check, another image to do four weeks from the injury with an MRI and it looked like the bone had moved.”

“In the modern NFL, Brown’s circumstances were so rare that no player in the league in the past decade needed such a surgery. After the Chiefs consulted several specialists, Brown had his surgery done in Vail, Colo., by surgeon Peter Millett, who had performed the procedure on professional skiers.

Do you think their offense is any better than 2022 though?

I haven't watched them much, but the run first strategy only seems to get you so far in the playoffs (even if that's a SB loss to the Chiefs, like the 49ers).

It’s not that you need to spend a lot of resources to get elite production at rb

There’s always guys like Joe Mixon available etc

Too bad Josh Jacobs was for some reason loyal to his Raider Chiefs hate when he chose a new team. Veach was interested in him. He'd be great here.

Yeah, damn I forgot about that.

Perine has been really good here lately. I know I’ve said how much I missed McKinnon. This guy has been a really good McKinnon replacement of late and it’s a big part of the offense being better.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs RB Samaje Perine is quietly averaging 4.8 yards a carry and 11.6 yards per reception in 2024. <br><br>In 2022, RB Jerick McKinnon won the AFC player of the month for December/January, averaging 4.3 yards a carry and 10.2 yards per reception during that month.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1871569551898632235?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 24, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I still want us to draft a young stud RB but I’d try to bring Kareem and Perine back while adding. Maybe that means Kareem or Perine are on the PS but hopefully it means Alligator Boy goes to there instead.

McKinnon had a real nice stretch of games to close out that season but more than anything, it was his performance in the playoffs that mattered. Remember Damien Williams? For some reason, these backs that catch the ball always seem to breakout right before the playoffs start.

Yeah I called it

I said I thought Perine would pay off at some point

We hadn’t had this type of explosiveness to go with Worthy since Rice was playing in early September. It changes everything

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hollywood Brown’s receptions against the Texans. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/svFlJWQRMW">pic.twitter.com/svFlJWQRMW</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1870830074934747186?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He was getting open fast. You could see the difference.

He's basically just running the routes that Rashee would run, is what it looks like to me.

Freakin' awesome. And he did a good job protecting his chest.

Someone made the point that formationally we saw new stuff from KC on Sat

The bunch trips hasn't been as noticeable but now, it pops and being that it's getting introduced this late into season it might take awhile for defenses to sort it out properly.

As a D, you'd like to be able to get your hands on Worthy and Brown and that's just damn hard to do with the way they were used last week. And they're so fast that one misstep or bad angle from the deep safety could mean 6 from anywhere.