Protection issues.

I'm not opposed to putting him on the PS to see if he actually has any juice left. I mean he did suffer a pretty serious injury and he may just not have the wheels anymore.

But let's say for the sake of discussion that he still has HR speed - you've gotta make damn sure he knows the protections and pickups. And he wasn't even in camp with the team so you're taking a hell of a big risk in assuming he will.

I'd be pretty surprised if we see Guice in here. Veterans like Bell and McCoy I understand because they know the ropes and you've seen enough tape to know they'll get the job done in pass pro as soon as they understand the terminology. With a kid like Guice I just don't see them doing that without seeing him in camp first.

It just makes too much sense to me. He's best friends with Clyde and Darrel already so settling down in the organization shouldn't be a problem and he's still young and talented. Also next year Darrel and Mckinon are free agents so getting Guice now on a cheap "prove it" deal could really benefit the team moving forward.

TWO serious injuries.

Tyreek is on the team because deep down they knew that he was a unicorn.

Unless/until the league made them cut him, they weren't going to get rid of a guy who was essentially built in a lab to perfectly complement Patrick Mahomes.

I think a completely unique skill-set got Hill a lot more rope than most players in his situation would've gotten.

I feel like its because he told them he didnt do it and then it turned out he didnt do it. Where Kareem told them he didnt and then it turned out he did. But maybe im way off.

I could see that. I loved him coming out of LSU, though.

But but the offense……

Just get the defense up from dirty asshole to just meh and we’re cooking with gas

Imagining Tyreek playing on another team would've been soul-crushing.

Not as soul crushing as Mahomes being drafted by another team. That thought always irks me.

Accusations are futile as anyone can make them and he was not found guilty of any sexual assault. The choking issue was settled out of court and apparently wasn't even put on his record from what I understand so again the truth is gray. The Kareen Hunt offense was on video and no-one even mentions it now. I don't think folks would be bothered about Guice tbh.

Could be. I stopped following the Tyreek shit after it was apparent it was going nowhere and it was just a bunch of Karens barking at eachother. I dont believe anything was definitively found out at the end of the day.

The Kareem thing happened so ****ing fast I feel like they didnt even sit down and think about what to do and immediately leapt to the most extreme choice. Kareem was drunk so whether he knew he did anything or not I have no idea but that man was dropped from the team like someone just released video of him putting that girls mouth on a curb and smashing the back of her head when really she just stumbled on her own drunk ass and he gave her what was essentially a get the **** out of here tap with his shoe after she punched him in the face.

That would've been horrible, but in that case you can't miss what you've never had, right?

I agree it seemed fast and extreme, but if the video came out after he told the owner theres nothing to worry about i didnt touch her...

That was my initial response, but i deleted it. IIRC, the incident happened a few months prior, didn't it? That would mean the Chiefs had time to digest it and decided to look away and keep him on the roster.

Then, out of nowhere, the video got released like a splash of cold water and the rest is history.

We did for 40 years

Ya but then you have to sit there and wonder did they choose to keep him around because it really wasnt that big of an issue and then only cut him because it was blowing up in the media and they didn't want that "evil man" on the team?

To me it always and will always feel like they cut him simply because of PR and silently regretted it, which is why they didnt make the same knee jerk reaction with Tyreek.

Yeah - we have Patrick and I still watch McLaurin go out there kicking ass and ask myself "what if...."

You never shake off the big misses.

To be honest, I'm not sure I'd be anywhere near as involved a fan as I am. I was running out of ****s to give the last season or two Pre-Mahomes. And even that last Smith season, I was just marking time until Mahomes (got into a big ol' argument in the stands with some jack-wagon during the Bills game about switching to Mahomes).

Not sure I had much left in me and I know I'd have had a hard time watching if we were out there running Kirk Cousins for $30 million/season while the Saints were moving on from Brees to Mahomes...

I think you're correct. Clark made an incredibly stupid decision and learned from it. One would like to think that stupid decision wasn't actually needed to understand how stupid it actually was, but, alas, such is life.

On Clark's side, though, it should be noted that Chief Fan, in both cases, overwhelmingly wanted the players to be cut.

McLaurin is sooo good.

I know....

...{sigh}...

No doubt.

To be fair, the feeling at the time was the Kareem was done in the NFL after what had happened with Ray Rice. Prior to Kareem the NFL had this zero tolerance policy towards domestic abuse.

The Chiefs thought they were being proactive in this situation by getting in front of it and cutting him. A PR move.

Then all of a sudden, the NFL stopped caring so much about domestic abuse and went "soft" on Hunt.

It's not at all infuriating that we took Mecole Hardman over DK Metcalf AND Terry McLaurin.

I love Burt Vatch, but this was a huge whiff.

I'm trying to be fair to Clark, but I don't think ANYONE really thought Kareem would never play again. People may have feigned stupid ideas like that, but I imagine most were fans of other teams hoping the Chiefs would be stupid enough to cut him so that he could be picked up for zero compensation. Which, of course, is exactly what happened.

Just read a TMZ article about Guice..the last charges were DROPPED..hence why they aren't on his record. It's a clean slate now for the kid from what I can see. He even posted a picture on IG previously showing him playing Madden and guess which team he loves to play with? THE CHIEFS..lol means nothing but sometimes fate can be funny like that right? :D

Guice settled out of court. Hence why they were "dropped". He paid her off to go away.

Clean slate legally, sure, but his reputation precedes him. Teams will still have questions, questions that date back to college.

Ultimately it's up to how the Chiefs feel about his character. The fans? They won't give a ****.

Bills have competent LBs that can play the run and cover, that's the biggest question for us. I reckon it'll be much harder to have a balanced game and run on them. But if we DO manage to run on them and CEH gets a ton of yardage I think this offence is absolutely set.

That's pretty much the same thing people said about the Bills the last couple of times they got butt-****ed on national television by Mahomes and company.

The next time they show any ability to slow this offense down will be the first time...

Like I said earliar..accusations from college are futile as he was not found guilty of anything or kicked off of campus. And he was drafted in the 2nd round obviously so clearly that wasn't an issue. We also have guys like Mixon in the league who was caught on video knocking a girl out after she slapped him and he was still drafted. Veach will be aware of Guice's situation of course so it's just a matter of what they think.

Clark, Gay, Baker, Watkins, Leveon, Gordon, Breeland etc all had different issues from their past before coming to KC so we'll see.

**** Guice

ummm. do they?

Edmunds is pretty good against the run when allowed to run and chase. Milano has a rep as a good pass defender.

Neither one showed a hint of slowing down Kelce last season. Milano was healthy for the AFC title game and had no effect on the Chiefs' ability to get the ball to Kelce.

I'm interested to see how the Bills approach this one. They tried playing light box/deep zone in the first matchup last year and got absolutely demolished, in the rain, by the Chiefs ground game (which is showing signs of being far superior this year).

The second matchup, the box wasn't as light, and Hill and Kelce absolutely roasted them.

They do have Stat Lotuleilei back after his COVID opt-out last year, and he has traditionally been a pretty good interior run defender. They've added Greg Rousseau and Carlos Bashem to the DL unit.

Are those changes enough for them to run a light box and still contain the run? That seems unlikely.

The Bills have one thing that very few teams have - A #1 Corner who can genuinely hang with Hill.

Most teams, even those with 'shut down CBs' like Ramsey and Humphrey, still don't have guy with the athleticism to run with 'reek. White comes close. Gilmour was a guy at his peak who could do it and NE did give Hill trouble at times.

So if Buffalo wanted to try it, they could do so. I wouldn't recommend doing it every play, but as something they do when they blitz, they can manage it better than most. It is fair to point out that man coverage will exhaust defensive backs and NOBODY has the kind of stamina Hill has. If the Bills ask White to do that too often, he'll be exhausted by the 4th and you could see some HR balls over top of him.

Milano's gotten a step slower and as noted, Edmunds is more of a run defender. He's athletic but doesn't seem to have the awareness in space to be an asset in pass defense. Perhaps he's gotten better in that regard as he's gotten more experience. Milano is also nursing a sore hamstring so even if he's available, he's probably not going to be at full speed.

I don't think Basham is ready yet and while I like Rousseau a lot, he didn't play in 2020 (and only had one year as a starter in college) and he's just awfully green. He may be a difference-maker, but its awfully early to rely on it.

If he doesn't have a big day, the Bills will have the same trouble every team that isn't able to get pressure with 4 has.

HOPE CEH IS OK

LOOKED LIKE HE WAS IN PAIN

GET WELL SOON

I'm optimistic about most things but not this.

Poop.

Mahomes doing too many commercials instead of hanging with his receivers

This is bs. I heard nothing but how he was a ++ player in the passing game. He is a nonfactor and the defenses know it. They play him as if he doesn't exist.

This

Nobody fears Clyde.

Oh for ****s sake he sucks.

They literally don't trust him at blitz pickup so that's why he's a non factor.

He’s slow as molasses

And far too small for the NFL. Small and slow is not a good combination. Never liked the pick and like it even less now.

I do. Especially in the passing game or when he tries to turn the corner. :eek:

Yeah I was pissed when we took an RB that high with how much help I felt we need on defense. I mean Kareem Hunt is better than this dude. There's no need to take an RB that high you can almost always find a good one in the later rounds.

Horrible pick by Veach

They're paying the price for the way they've drafted. The majority of our high picks play devalued positions but the real issue is the lack of top end athletes.

Helaire and Bolton are not elite level athletes.

Yes, their LBs are good and I reckon they contained the run pretty well. Not being smug after the event, I think it was fair to assume we'd see more of the same as you said.

He's not going to get faster either his case of broke-dick-ulosis

If he has to go to IR I hope Veach and co arent stupid enough to think Williams, Mckinnon and Gore are good enough for our run game. Just watching the Browns game and Chubb & Hunt are just a pleasure to watch tbh...so much speed, power and agility. We need a home run hitter who the defense MUST be concerned about..because for all of his skills Clyde just doesn't have that burst. Trading late picks for Marlon Mack or Miles Sanders would be ok..or getting Derrius Guice in FA. Either we need someone new in that RB room imo.

NO to trading late picks. They need to overhaul the roster on the defensive side and need ALL the picks they have.

Williams, McKinnon and Gore are an upgrade to CEH anyways.

I think he might be the slowest, least explosive RB I have ever seen.. and this team has received heavy contributions from the likes of Darrell Williams, Spencer Ware and Jackie Battle in recent (ish) years.

I don't follow college ball at all, but wtf did our scouting department see in this guy? Whatever it was, it is clearly not translating to this level.

His career as a starter should be over now. He's not explosive and injury prone.

Chiefs need to look for another RB. First step is seeing what Derrick Gore has.

That sweep to the left last night was painful. I knew CEH wasn’t the fastest, but I had no idea Tremaine Edmunds was so much faster than him.

Among smaller backs, you may be correct. Obviously, guys like Donnell Bennett and Bam Morris were slower and less explosive.

Tremaine Edmunds is a physical freak. CEH is not. It's a shame Veach dropped all those expectations on him by making him a first round pick

On paper he should've been a monster in this offense. His college tape made it appear like he was tailor made for us. Not like he disappeared against superior competition either. Some of his best games came against the likes of Alabama.

The CEH talk today is stupid. Ya'll just looking to pass the blame.

You wanna blame someone for the running game? Blame this offenseive line. They got blown the **** up last night.

Oh i get it, that's not the popular thing to do so lets not talk about them. They got abused last night. Trey Smith got his shit pushed in. Brown was worked. There was no running room all night.

The o-line ****ing sucked last night.

Get well soon, Clyde... then find a good spot on the bench and get comfortable

All true, but that doesn't change how small and slow he is... he had a few decent holes last night and barely did anything with them

Never seen a back turn a 10 yard gain into a 4 yard run quite like CEH

Ya I wanted to comment on it in the game day thread but everyone is so eager to be right in that CEH is garbage. CEH gets a handoff and his linemen get pancaked into each other right where the hole is suppose to be made and he gets stuffed for no gain and its "CEH IS GARBAGE." Or he swings out wide and his blocker is tunnel visioned on a guy outside and runs right in front of the LB coming free from the inside that tackles him on the edge.

There's no winning for CEH on CP. The guy runs for 7 YPC and its "the 3rd string RB would have gotten more!"

Chris Meck, where are you to defend CEH’s 1.9yds ypc?

The blocking dries up, so does his average.

He is only as good as his blocking.

Literally every member of this organization aside from Butker deserves some blame for last night. I’m not looking to pass any more than is deserved.

Clyde just isn’t very good. It’s plain to see when you watch him play.

My girlfriend likes Clyde and even she says he looks like he’s much slower lately.

I've been a Clyde defender. He didnt look great last night, but can we not call him injury prone? Both injuries were freak accidents that would have ****ed up any human body in that position.

So why didn’t Williams experience the same thing?

It's Derrick Gore szn

Williams is tough and strong. He can bull forward for an extra yard or two.

Ya Clyde's injury from last night was as if you took a book and folded it on his spine. Calling someone a broke bitch for that is just another level of stupid.

Call a plumber, do what needs to be done, move forward.

You mean extra 3.5 yards.

Worse pick?

CEH or Breeland Speaks?

No I'm not kidding.

Williams was also a threat in the passing game.

You don't think being a 5'8? 200 LB #1RB doesn't contribute to his injury history? Nothing against Clyde I just don't think he been placed in the best position to succeed.

I turned off the game before he was in the game, but CEH was drafted because he was seemingly the perfect fit for the offense. He could make cuts and dance around for solid yards and he was also very good in the passing game. It's not his fault Reid doesn't use him in the passing game. The guy is getting 2 targets a game.

It's not that he's injury prone, it's that any RB with his size and lack of speed is going to get injured.

Got to call a spade a spade. He's just an extremely mediocre back we over drafted. Probably the biggest miss of Veach's tenure but oh well.

Just amazes me we actually thought wasting a first round pick on a HB made any ****ing sense. Insane lol.

Well...

Let's not forget it was Mahomes' pick.

:bolt:

Why is Mahomes getting to make our first round picks?

Because he's the mother ****in franchise.

And? He knows nothing about player evaluation. His job is to play quarterback.

Franchise gets what franchise wants.

Or... you could just do what the Packers have done and ignore him completely. Seems to have worked out for them.

Jonathan Taylor is so much better than CEH