Literally not a single shred of evidence that we changed the offense and the indirect evidence that "Pat got the ball out faster" could just as well mean that they figured out some stuff with the guys we have on offense that just fit better (I mean the WR's).

The idea we can't run behind Caliendo is also bullshit.

All you have to do is watch Thuney's pass reps dude. He is not a LT. You can tell by watching him.

He was saved by an offense that was getting the ball out faster than Patrick has ever thrown, in his entire career.

Other than the game film, yeah not a single shred. LMAO

Actually that was supplied and showed that isn't true. Dude you've been insufferable about this. For real

Image will defend DJ starting to the death

Good.

I I now what I'm watching. And I frankly don't care who starts.

I'm just laughing at all the people that have so little faith or confidence in this team.

Because it's the best move barring something we don't know about. Having a guard playing LT is NEVER ideal. Ever.

Don't confuse having faith in Thuney and Caliendo to not having faith in the team. We have seen it work.

And if Andy elects to go with Humphries and Thuney, let's roll!

The quick release time that some people think is due to Thuney, could also be attributed to Pat’s ankle injury and the return of Brown.

I would concur if we had any proof of said LT

That's true.

But do we have any proof Humphries is at that level? Other than "trust the coaches"?

We have a few SB trophies in the cabinet as proof that maybe, just maybe, we should trust the coaches.

Humphries looked great for a half of football. If the coaches think he's ready for the playoffs, they'll start him. If not, they'll start Thuney. I trust Reid and Co to make that decision.

As for hope, you bet your ass I hope Humphries can play LT because 1) Thuney isn't all that great there and 2) we regress far below the mean at LG with Caliendo. I much prefer the absolute nails that is Thuney at LG over all things. Hell, why shouldn't we prefer Morris at LT to Thuney so long as he's healthy in this one? Give him a little help with a chip if you need to but let's not concede immediate pressure to their DTs to compound issues. Settle and Edwards combined for 8 sacks this year so it's noteworthy.

Andy Heck: I want an all-pro at LT.

BV: I tried, but it didn't work out.

AH: You're giving me jack and shit. I ****ing quit. Just kidding. I'll do what I can.

Eh, I would guess that 99% of people in this thread agree with this. We just have very little else to talk about after the team hasn't played a meaningful game in 3 weeks.

I HOPE that Humpries is looking good enough that he gets a chance because I believe that's our best-case scenario, but if the coaches have seen him in practice and decide that it's too much of a risk, I'm not going to be upset in the least if it's Thuney-Caliendo instead. Nervous, maybe, but not upset (and to be fair, we'll all be a little nervous if it's Humphries-Thuney, too).

I agree the best case scenario is Thuney at guard with a decent LT. But, what regressed when Thuney was outside? KC had its best offense against Houston and Pitt.

People saying Pat is just getting the ball out quicker with Thuney outside… couldn’t they move him back inside to help the run game and then just like… keep getting the ball out quicker?

We don't need proof. Andy does.

What other proof do we need? He was decent for a half against Denver and played poorly when the rest of the line imploded next to him in the 2nd. We simply haven't seen enough of him to know. The only person that knows is Andy.

This has always been about trusting the coaches .

Yeah probably.

**** I miss Chiefs football.

Morris has gotten the shit end of the stick around here. People didnt like him because of his LV game last year and now they over exaggerate his ability. People are still in love with Kingsley even though he's been an absolute turnstile and there are people acting like Thuney has been some god send at LT when he's only had one game in which he was better than what Morris's average was. Morris never had a game as bad as Thuney did against Cleveland, but people hate Morris.

You really trust these coaches?

They’ve only won 3 Super Bowls together.

They have better DEs than DTs with Anderson and Hunter, so I'd still prioritise having the best possible option at OT. That COULD be DJ, though I don't think I saw a great half of football from him. It definitely can't be Morris, who is a worse LT than a part-time Thuney, imo.

If DJ plays then it's a pretty positive sign he's back to some semblance of form, that'd be great. If Thuney plays, I still think it's enough, even with Caliendo. I'd be less concerned with guys like Settle and more mindful of stunts and the DEs looping in I think. That seemed to screw the Chargers.

I think there are some decent arguments on both sides and I cant wait to find out which way they go.

I cant stop hearing Andy say, "We want the best 5 guys out there."

That settles it for me, it will be Humphries, Thuney, Creed, Smith and Taylor.

Those are our best 5. Playing their best positions. Im good with it!

Andy isnt going to let DJ struggle out there if he does. He will have help for him if hes having trouble and adjust the play calls accordingly.

I would be very surprised if thats not the starting line up.

I would NOT be surprised if Wanya comes in at LT if DJ really struggles.

No issue with Morris as the swing, he's been...OK in patches at RT. But absolutely no chance I'd want him at LT, or Kingsley.

The upside of having Humphries work out at LT is too big to pass up. He would need to be pretty bad to have paid him within a very short amount of time after he became available and invested all this time preparing him for this moment…only to decide they are better off going in another direction. If he plays at an average nfl level, he will earn a nice 2-3 year deal, going forward that should solidify the position with an athletic guy that helps them open up the offensive play calling. It also coincides well with the timing of the possible development of Kingsley and Wanya.

That kind of upside is huge to the team, overall…assuming we could sign him to a reasonable contract, as he will be a FA…I bet the 3 x cardinals all return for the 4-peat.

Hop, Hump and Wood.

They should do a podcast and name it that.

Shouldn't be the reverse? Wood...Hop...Hump

Wood.Hump.Hop

Yea but wouldn't Clay always being wrong cancel that out?

Your one of the posters on this board who I respect highly, you do your homework with the best of them. Do you have any opinions on the Thuneys not getting more help than Morris/Kingsley?

That's what most of us are hoping for. Improved run game, better against deep arc rushes and a stronger interior in that scenario.

Kingsley got absolutely no help whatsoever. They said hey rookie were gonna throw you out on an island and you'll get less help than even the best LTs in the game get help, so if you aren't gonna be able to block the Hendrickson's and Bonito's of the league by yourself we still still won't help you and will just bench you.

Morris has been hurt since the first Broncos game. He was hurt bad enough that they pulled him out and only put him back in because Bonito beat the shit out of Kingsley. Chances are that he is pretty close to being healthy.

Before he got hurt he had allowed


Pressures Allowed/Pass Block Attempts

2/44
2/37
4/43
2/33
4/44
5/49

Now that isn't amazing, but it would be good enough to win. If we ran the offense like we did against Hou and Pitts, then he'd have even less.

100 percent agree. But its the discourse here. Kingsley also did well all things considered week 1. Week 2 they gave him no help and he got a D in the A.

It's weird as ****. They put a guy that was sort of a project and put him in a position to fail, then were surprised when he wasn't able to do something that only the best players would be able to do.

One of the most wild things ever.

It really is. I assume they just thought the game speed was a bit much but the athleticism would catch him up as he went.

It's because Morris ****ING SUCKS. Full stop. Lost the starting job to a raw as **** Kingsley. Was forced back into starting duty because Kingsley sucked too. Was mediocre on his good days and disastrous on his bad days until he got hurt. Then he was so bad even Mahomes flipped the **** out and Reid subsequently pulled the plug.

Andy made a comment in the off-season about how Morris needs to learn to prepare. I wonder if he just doesn't do film for shit or what. Maybe that's why they felt like it had to be Kingsley. And Maybe Morris would step up after losing the job.

Or it's because he's just not a very good player.

I don't disagree that it was perhaps odd and unhelpful the way both Morris and Kingsley were introduced. Whatever the reasoning it's clear their current abilities were overestimated.

But I think that's the "problem" now. We're a win now team, as others have said if we're in a rebuilding year I probably feel more comfortable giving a guy like Morris the scope to develop. In the current context, and given the lows we've seen, no chance. I could absolutely see him being an above average back-up, maybe even an average starting RT, with another year starting...but I'm not starting him. Not now.

I wonder if they tweaked the offense only because Mahomes was hurt AND Thuney was kicking over. They were hell bent on long developing stuff all season until they just completely flipped the switch.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Regarding the two most asked questions regarding Saturday, my feel here is that the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> ride with Joe Thuney at left tackle, and CB Jaylen Watson starts, playing about 50% of defensive snaps.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1879967355650076769?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 16, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Don’t fix what’s not broken at LT.

LMAO

Unfortunately, I have not watched All-22 on replay of the games. I can only go off what my eyeballs saw and my brain remembers... In that light, it looked to me like Thuney benefitted more from protection slides, chips, and a shorter/quicker passing attack than the others.

That shorter/quicker passing attack is partially thanks to the return of Brown but Patrick clearly wasn't going through full-read progressions and was getting the ball out quickly on short passes. Getting the ball out quickly was proved by his time to pass and the short pass component was proved by Intended Air Yards per Pass Attempt. In the final two games of the year he had 5.7 IAY/PA, lower than his previous 5 contests and only 4 other games were lower (Weeks 2, 3, 5, and 9). Yards after Catch per Completion was also higher than it had been the prior 5 weeks and higher than all but 5 other games (Weeks 1, 2, 5, 6, and 9), which helps explain some of the success from it.

I will say this, of the games Patrick was pressured 20% or more, we scored 21 or fewer points in 5 of those 7 contests. The only other time we scored 21 or less was against the Chargers when we faced a 17.5% pressure rate, which was near our mean. I'd say it is critical that we limit pressure, whatever that means for the OL. The 28% pressure given up to Cleveland in Thuney's 1st game was our 5th highest of the season. The 9% given up to Houston was our lowest. The 15.4% to Denver was our 5th lowest, and that game looked terrible because our offensive skill positions were atrocious too.

If true, Andy has decided to use Pacheco/Hunt in the passing game and to block for the passing game.

If Caliendo is the first guard option off the bench, we are too thin

Nice!

We may have to get medical help for Image if Thuney starts Saturday

Let’s be fair here: Andy handed that job to Kingsley based on projection and nothing else and it was a move that ended in disaster.

Attribute it to whatever you want, Kingsley got the job over Morris. And they both ended up being ****ing disasters, which is why the Chiefs are currently in the situation they're in here.

Kingsley is a fat Samoan statue

Not at all.

If Thuney starts, it's because they didn't think Humphries can do it.

I believe if you have an All Pro LG, he should play LG. My contention was always with the caveat that if the coaches think Humphries can't go, they should start Thuney.

But we don't know any of what is going on in meetings and practice. We can only go on what we know and that's that a decent LT should play LT and an all pro LG should play LG.

I'm rooting for the best possible scenario. That's all. If Thuney starts, it's because they had no other choice and I would support it.

That’s what happens when you don’t pick early. Pretty clear that if you don’t have a top 15 or so pick, the overwhelming odds are that you are not getting a quality LT prospect.

Might have to just say **** it and trade up bigly this year. Wouldn’t recommend that. Hopefully one of these guys fall to 24 and we trade with the Vikings.

Dang, I guess they don't like what they see with Humphries.

We sign Humphries for next year and hope Kingsley can grow into the role? *shrug*

Can we play someone who isn't Caliendo at LG then?

DISASTER!!??! What happened that I missed? Is Mahomes dead? Are we out of the playoffs? Did Arrowhead collapse because of Kingsley?

You can't possibly believe that already

never underestimate the power of CP to write of players early...

I don’t question the staff often, but I still find it bizarre that they didn’t try something like this with Kingsley.

Make things easier on him while he develops and keep the rest of the OL in tact.

This non insiders “feel” means nothing. Kc medias split 50/50 from what I’ve seen.

Right? His feel is no different than the feels on this board. He has no inside info.

Carpetbagger Sweeny almost got ran out of town on a rail in KC when he first arrived

He's not some local beat Glazer/Schefter by any stretch

It’s gonna take another 3000 posts for us to figure out who should start guys, don’t give up now. The coaches are all intensely focused on this thread hoping CP personnel experts can get this figured out before game time. LFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LFG!!!

LMAO LMAO

I’m in!

Let’s ****!!!

I have my opinion and that means nothing when it comes to who Andy decides on.

If my opinion is wrong I’ll be happy to live with that at this point.

Only 3000 more posts until kickoff?

I can hardly wait...

They’re going to send a ton of stunts at Calliendo this game. Last time we faced them was the first time Thuney played LT and expect them to try to exploit LG this time.

We will rally around Caliendo and we will play good football.

Why does it HAVE to be Caliendo the whole time? Why can't it be Wanya or Kingsley at LG taking reps at practice the previous weeks and then playing LG in game? You'd have to think they were entrusted with starting LT role at some point this season and filled in well at LG.

So why someone with no pedigree to fill the LG void, with Thuney at LT? You'd have a more talented front 5.

Why Caliendo, of all people. He's a weak link in running game and overall.

Just experience I guess. I don't know if Kingsley or Morris played guard at college, maybe someone else can confirm. Ultimately, this OL will be better when Caliendo is not in it, because that will likely mean an LT starting that is something approaching league average, at least. I honestly can't wait for when we get this LT position sorted.

This is true no matter how the pieces fit.

Just don't put Kingsly or Morris at LT...

Exactly the case.

Grunhard on 810 right now is adamant it’s going to be Thuney at tackle.. For whatever it’s worth..

I still contend that nothing on 810 is worth a shit.

The Chiefs absolutely cut them off at the knees.

It might end up being Thuney, but Grunhard knows precisely ****-all about it. His guess is as good as anyone's on this board.

I would think he would know more than a bunch of morons on a message board.. But I don’t care as long as we get the win..

I would say his guess is more educated but really don't think he has inside insight. Just like Pete Sweeney, their job is to create conversation/clicks. Its all speculation. None of them are even saying it is. When someone even says it WILL be I'll pay more attention.