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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 6186753)

I will not argue that the contract worked out in the end because Brady worked out but why give him that contract if you know Brady is going to be the guy?

According to the article big bonuses kicked in in year 2 of the contract a year before it was stated Brady was going to be the guy. Fortunately Bledsoe got hurt early.

It was smart ****ing work as far as contracts go but to say it was all done knowing Brady was going to be the man is pure hindsight BS.

What happened was Bledsoe got hurt, Brady won games and they realized they were sitting pretty.

You're reaching, and badly.

As pointed out earlier, BB thought Brady was better than Bledsoe before the season ever started. Don't think for a second that didn't play into the flexibility in the extension.

Hell, it could be argued that it was an extension in name only, as the numbers prove he wasn't tied to the Patriots long-term.

Oh. Oh. We knew along how good Brady was...look how good we are at our jobs

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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 6186757)

when exactly were they gonna put him in the starting lineup then?

I've said this before: If you're truly interested, READ THE BOOK.

Your questions are argumentative and do not appear to have any other motivation other than to try to dispute my posts, which they will not.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6186756)

Dude, you're saying that the guy that wrote that book, who was embedded inside the franchise for 3 years is making this shit up?

Your hatred for Dane is making you flush all common sense.

It's not completely out of the realm of possibility, however. Evidence A: Fab Five.

Mother**** what a load of ****ing shit.

But, exceptions certainly don't prove a rule.

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6186760)

Theres alot of pages to read whats the argument here? since Cassel is a 7th round pick he wont win a super bowl?

No. The current discussion is over whether or not Tom Brady was considered to be a "career backup" before Bledsoe was traded.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6186751)

SB I: Bart Starr; 17th round
SB II: Bart Starr; 17th round
SBIII: Joe Namath; 1st round
SBIV: Len Dawson; 1st round
SBV: Johnny Unitas; 9th round
SBVI: Roger Staubach; 10th round
SBVII: Bob Greise; 1st round
SBVIII: Bob Greise; 1st round
SBIX: Terry Bradshaw; 1st round
SBX: Terry Bradshaw; 1st round
SBXI: Ken Stabler; 2nd round
SBXII: Roger Staubach; 10th round
SBXIII: Terry Bradshaw; 1st round
SBXIV: Terry Bradshaw; 1st round
SBXV: Jim Plunkett; 1st round
SBXVI: Joe Montana; 3rd round
SBXVII: Joe Theismann; 4th round
XVIII: Jim Plunkett; 1st round
XIX: Joe Montana; 3rd round
XX: Jim McMahon; 1st round
XXI: Phil Simms; 1st round
XXII: Doug Williams; 1st round
XXIII: Joe Montana; 3rd round
XXIV: Joe Montana; 3rd round
XXV: Jeff Hostetler; 3rd round
XXVI: Mark Rypien; 6th round
XXVII: Troy Aikman; 1st round
XXVIII: Troy Aikman; 1st round
XXIX: Steve Young; 1st round
XXX: Troy Aikman; 1st round
XXXI: Brett Favre; 2nd round
XXXII: John Elway; 1st round
XXXIII: John Elway; 1st round
XXXIV: Kurt Warner; Undrafted
XXXV: Trent Dilfer; 1st round
XXXVI: Tom Brady; 6th round
XXXVII: Brad Johnson; 9th round
XXXVIII: Tom Brady; 6th round
XXXIX: Tom Brady; 6th round
XL: Ben Rothlisberger; 1st round
XLI: Peyton Manning; 1st round
XLII: Eli Manning; 1st round

So, in theory, no, no 7th round quarterback has won the Super Bowl. However, we've got a 17th rounder, a 10th rounder, a couple of 9th rounders, some 6th rounders, and even one that was completely undrafted.

I don't think that the round that a QB was picked is at all indicative of their capabilities, desire, maturity, etc., which elevates them to Super Bowl level.

Sure, you know that there are some good ones in round one. But there are also just as many that go complete busto. Maybe more actually.

So, basically, I think that you trying to say that just because Cassel was a 7th round pick and because of that singularly, he'll never win a Super Bowl is total bull.

Roger Staubach was drafted so late because of his Naval commitment, and the Cowboys were able, at that time, to retain his rights until his 4 years were completed.

Bart Starr fell to the 17th round because he missed senior season to injury.

Those two picks kind of skew those numbers.

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6186760)

Theres alot of pages to read whats the argument here? since Cassel is a 7th round pick he wont win a super bowl?

Right now the argument is whether or Not Brady can be lumped in with the likes of Hasselbeck, Warner, Green, Gannon, Brooks, Brunell, Mitchell, Cassel, Delhomme, etc. who were guys that were once considered career backups and who eventually got opportunities to lead a franchise

I love when Chiefs fans act like experts on Patriots history.

Brady was drafted because they knew, although Bledsoe was getting the big contract, that someday they would need a decent replacement in case he was hurt. At the time all they had was John Friez and Michael Bishop. Brady, with the recommendation of the qb coach, was chosen. They didn't say to themselves "Hey, he's a career backup". In fact they thought so much of him they kept 4 QBs on the roster. By the time training camp 2001 came around he had worked and improved so much he went from #4 to #2 on the depth chart. They were very confident if the 100 Million dollar man went down that Brady could do the job. Nobody ever thought "but he's a career backup"
Damon Huard was a career backup.
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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 6186770)

No, that's your argument, and it's a ****ing reeruned one.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6186765)

Seriously are the ****ing patriots going to admit how lucky they were?

The way I look at it was Brady was an unknown player til Bledsoe got hurt however the coaches must have thought something of Brady to make him the #2 Qb.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6186773)

No, that's your argument, and it's a ****ing reeruned one.

Well...you and Dane have given us one whole contribution to the discussion combined...

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6186771)

You begin with an inflammatory statement.

And then follow with a paragraph that contains details that have already been discussed in the thread, so, what's the point?

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6186761)

Hey Dude,

I'm no Patriots fan. I'M not the person making the claims. It was written by an investigative reporter. I just paraphrased.

But for FFS, it's ridiculous for you to make allegations when they're totally and completely uninformed.

It makes you look like you're arguing just for the sake of arguing and paints you as petty and foolish.

No I think the fact they gave Bledsoe the biggest contract ever the year after they drafted Brady is argument in itself even of he didn't get to stay in NE to earn the money.

He was paid a shitload of it in Dallas.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6186742)

I've done it before, and I'd do it again, if he were actually wrong in this case.

However, he's not.

This is THE biggest misconception about those of us who have been grouped:

That we're all trapped in a small room together, drinking Red Bull and furiously disputing everything and everyone on Chiefsplanet, while holding hands and listening to Yanni.

I've been wrong in the past. I'll admit when I'm wrong. It's been pointed out by Hamas, CC, Milk, OTWP and others. I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong because I'm WRONG.

But, I will not admit I'm wrong when I'm not.