Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10692241)

Years ago, I would have been right there with you.

I did, in fact, argue that pass rushers, and the front 7 in general, was far more valuable than the secondary.

However, as the league has evolved into a passing league, what it has also evolved into is a yac lead.

2700 of Peyton Manning's 5500 passing yards came on yac.
Only 3 teams gained fewer than 1500 yards of yac.

That means that teams are getting the ball out quicker.

If your secondary doesn't makes stops after the catch, then you can kiss any chance of getting to the QB goodbye.

Seattle's defensive domination of the Donkeys illustrated that.

Seattle's pass rush came into play only after the Seahawks secondary shut down yac and forced Manning to start looking for bigger plays through the air, thus holding the ball for that second longer.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10692244)

Rep.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10692378)

This is my issue. If we don't extend Houston or Smith with these savings this season, we just cut a good CB for absolutely no reason.

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 10692545)

Would Flowers make Seattles roster if they could have him for cheap? No becuase they'd take a 6'2 UDFA who can run over him

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 10692553)

But yes installing a cover 3 press won't make your defense = to Seattles. Or else the Jags would be the second best D in the league.

The point is that you need the players, and that's how my comments relate to this thread, the players Seattle is choosing in the secondary are large UDFA type CB's

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10692571)

Good Point.
I still value pass rushers more.
With good reason.

Defenses have won rings with shit secondaries.
Tell me the last time a D with a shit front 7 was part of the reason a team won a ring.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10692586)

What I am saying is that the value of the secondary has increased substantially with the evolution of the passig/yac league.

Neither are going to win you anything without the other in today's NFL.

If your secondary doesn't force QBs to start looking for bigger plays, thne your pass rush is going to have any chance to do squat, and they then have to cover when the QB starts looking for those bigger plays.

When that happens, your pass rush has to produce.

You can no longer expect one unit to control the game.

It has to be a total effort.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10692201)

All of his sacks (but two) came in the first 7 games against mostly inferior talent.



When the games mattered most, he disappeared. I wouldn't call that impactful.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10692586)

What I am saying is that the value of the secondary has increased substantially with the evolution of the passig/yac league.

Neither are going to win you anything without the other in today's NFL.

If your secondary doesn't force QBs to start looking for bigger plays, thne your pass rush is going to have any chance to do squat, and they then have to cover when the QB starts looking for those bigger plays.

When that happens, your pass rush has to produce.

You can no longer expect one unit to control the game.

It has to be a total effort.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10692600)

I absolutely see your point. I'd still say that Hali with a lost step is going to be better than Ford in his rookie year

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10692639)

the money vs production argument fails because that would mean Dwayne Bowe on paper statistically should be gone yesterday. Absolutely horrible stats for 11 million per.