Those same people who don't think Wilson is worth two 1st don't seem to mind referencing all of our QB's "wins" in an effort to prop him up.

Can't have it both ways.

I dont.

You won't hear that from me. My argument is Wilson vs elite QBs. Wilson is not elite, no matter how much you want him to be.

A lot of this argument is people digging their heels in against Hootie, but some of it comes from the differences in how people view "elite" or "franchise" QB's.

Personally, when I think of elite I'm thinking of a guy that can carry his team when needed, make the clutch play when needed and makes his teammates better.

If Wilson isn't elite, he's as close as you can get without being elite. If I had to pick one QB to win a game, he'd probably be damn high on the list.

I just find it hilarious that this fanbase has no problems using any stat imaginable to discredit guys like Wilson and Luck while they make ridiculous excuses for our current QB.

Same here

We have our guy. Next.

I think it's hilarious that Peyton and Tony suck because they choke! Stats don't matter. Duh! But Russell sucks because stats matter, even though he generally plays his best ball in clutch moments.

We've had plenty of teams that were stacked other than at QB. We have 0 playoff wins to show for it. Wilson has 6.

The Chiefs have 8 postseason wins, 2 conference championships, and 1 Superbowl championship in our history (going back to the merger 49 years ago).

Russell Wilson has 6 postseason wins, 2 conference championships, and 1 Superbowl win in his 3 year career.

Guys!

The only way to win in the NFL is to have a franchise QB!

/ChiefsPlanet the past 10 years

...unless you're Seattle

You don't want to miss out on the next Trezelle Jenkins and Glen Dorsey in order to get Russell Wilson. Too high a price...

Threw 4 INTs and they still came back and won.

You can go back to 1998, and I'll give you any 5 of our first round picks for Wilson.

Way too high a price.

I'd much rather have an OT that can't block, or a OLB that runs from ball carriers.

You can pool all of Dorsey's picks, and I can't think of a combo I wouldn't trade for Wilson. I can't think of a group of 4-5 I wouldn't trade for Luck.

Most important position on the field, and we're bringing a knife to a gunfight.

but let's assume we're talking about 2 HOF 1st rounders ...

would you really not trade Tony Gonzalez and Derrick Thomas for Russell Wilson? I'm sorry, but I would. I'm sure you would, too.

I kind of like how you give Russell full credit for getting the game to 14-14 at halftime based on very aggressive playcalling, but then lay all blame on Carroll and the offensive coordinator (whoever he is, is that Quinn?) for the bad playcall at the end, and in so doing completely exonerate Russell for throwing the actual ball right to the Patriots player.

I haven't said that Wilson made a horrible play there, because it's a pretty tough one either way, but you CANNOT credit Wilson for the tie at the end of the first half, and then exonerate him for the pick at the end.

The same aggressive play-calling is what resulted in both plays, the good at the end of the first half and the bad at the end of the game.