I will be shocked if it is not Humphries at Tackle to start. This ultimately would be our best lineup if we can win against Houston and give him one more week with the starters to get the rust off and up to game shape. If it's obviously is a fail, Andy will pull the rip chord and move Thuney back out. In the long run, we should hope Thuney is at LG, and Humphries is at tackle, because if that works, we will be much better for the AFCCG and Super Bowl against much stiffer competition.

This makes perfect sense to me. But there is a “if it’s not broke, don’t fix it “ attitude that makes sense to me too.. A lot of former players I’ve heard interviewed are in the Thuney camp..
Ultimately Andy will do want Patrick is most comfortable with.. Don’t think it’s a one person decision..

That's just the thing.

People keep saying it isn't broke but they're not being honest with themselves.

All you have to do is watch Thunder play and you instantly realize he's not a LT.

They changed the offense to accommodate Thuney. They also didn't play any teams that could really exploit Caliendo.

This is the playoffs. Teams will absolutely exploit every weakness. Make no mistake, Thuney at LT may not be completely broken but it absolutely is not fixed.

Not sure the offensive change was totally about Thuney. I really believe a lot of it had to do with Hollywood and Worthy skills sets and being on the field together Hollywood is able to get open quicker and able to run after the catch. Worthy they have been slowly expanding his route tree. With both of them on the field it going to be dificult to guard them in space. Putting the ball in their hands quickly puts a lot of pressure on the Dee. We have not had that with our other Wr.

I've watched those games more than once. The play calling was obviously different.

Thuney starting

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> plan to start Joe Thuney at left tackle Saturday vs. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Texans</a>, per sources. D.J. Humphries is healthy, but Thuney, a Pro Bowl guard, flourished in tackle relief while Humphries was hurt. So, Chiefs prepared to ride the hot hand. <a href="https://t.co/ep1vvU8VGL">pic.twitter.com/ep1vvU8VGL</a></p>&mdash; Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1880303908071055560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 17, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> plan to start Joe Thuney at left tackle Saturday vs. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Texans</a>, per sources. D.J. Humphries is healthy, but Thuney, a Pro Bowl guard, flourished in tackle relief while Humphries was hurt. So, Chiefs prepared to ride the hot hand. <a href="https://t.co/ep1vvU8VGL">pic.twitter.com/ep1vvU8VGL</a></p>&mdash; Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1880303908071055560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 17, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

We attempted more mid and long range passes against Pitt and Houston than we did against SD when Humphries played 85% of the game.

All these narratives that Thuney hurt the long passing game, caused a smaller playbook and hurt the run game are all bunk not supported by the actual stats.

I've always been on the side of whatever they decide I'm happy with. If Reid, Nagy, and likely Mahomes like Thuney at LT, then let's do it.

Yes I know look at the teams past success, but I can't help but question this decision.

No one said he hurt it. The clearly had lower time to throw. Not depth of target.

Sure, but it corresponded with a healthy Hollywood and the natural expansion of Worthy's use. Which has to factor in. Not to mention the teams we faced.

It also corresponds with a guard at tackle. I have no issue with thuney starting but let’s not act like sticking with him changed the facts.

Honestly surprised. Figured they'd at least give Humphries a go of it.

But yeah, trust in Reid. If he didn't feel it was worth a try with Humphries after all the practice they have had - it's got to be for good reason.

It absolutely factors in when you watch the routes they ran and the drops they took to get the ball out.

It's moot at this point, looks like Thuney is going to start. Onwards and upwards.

My comment was, I do not see the change being 100% on Thuney. I think who ever played tackle would have had the same offense. Brown helps them run a quick passing attack offense. He is able to do things Watson is not able to do. Worthy also has been progressing. I think they are going to turn both of them loose in the playoffs and catch a lot of teams by surprise.

Humphries must not have shown it in practice. That's all I can think about this decision.

Dude, we watched like 13 games before Thuney took over. Sure, it wasn't the only thing that changed but there was a massive shift in philosophy the minute Thuney moved. They were doing things for him that they didn't really even attempt with the other guys.

The difference is plainly visible when watching the games.

So we're getting shut out now right?

I mean our offense is SO EASY TO DEFEND now CHRIST!

Thuney did a good job against some top flight DE's. He did not get beat by speed. Which was killing us prior to him going to LT. He did get over powered a few times. But even then Patrick had time to get the ball out, it was never the oh shit I totally mised .5 second sack. Which I do not think Humphries is moving at 100% and did allow in Denver game.

It also coincided with getting a player back which allowed those "new" things to be effective and starting to turn Worthy loose (which is about the same time they turned Rice loose last year)

There's that hyperbole we all expected.

Thuney can give us Eric Fisher tackle-like play

You're right. Many things contributed. But the fact they did different things for Thuney is a fact.

I would like to point out that Andrew Wylie according to one of our fellow CP posters "blew goats" at RT and we rode him all the way to a SB in 2022.

We can do this. We can make it work.

Um, no. He gave us Donovan Smith tackle play. And that's good enough.

No no no the one dipshit in this thread said it's proof we did not, even tho the numbers say we were still throwing 5 and 7 step drops.

Looks like the coaches saw the same thing the rest of us sane people did. That you go with what works. Not "hoping" that some dude coming off an ACL And hamstring injury is the fix when he's literally never shown to be capable yet.

Yep. That's all that matters.

The times he did, he STAYED BETWEEN THE DEFENDER AND PAT. Which is what you're supposed to do.

He's had around a 60 grade via PFF against 3 very good pass rush teams.

That's better than Donovan Smith

Where are my Team Toonies?!!!!!

Lets go!!!

Welp at least they tried to do something about the LT spot.

Anyone think they're gonna play somebody else at guard tomorrow? Or is it 100% Caliendo?

Interesting thought, but I would bet money it's Caliendo.

Yep. They tried to get DJ and Thuney on the field at the same time but it just didn't work out.

Here's to hoping they keep the play calling they used in the Texans and Pittsburgh games. That's all they have to do and Thuney will be fine.

It is the safe play. Not sure I agree as you have to go with Thuney the entire playoffs now.

But I am not at the practices and maybe Humphrey just doesn't have it. I don't trust Caliendo at all. Wish they would give Kingsley a look there. But don't really want to tinker to much unless we have too.

Time to make Joe Thuney an NFL Hall of Famer.


LFG.

There's also that.

If they 3-peat with a guard playing LT, Thuney should absolutely be in the HoF.

Isn't he sort of a lock already? 4 Super Bowls and all that.

I don’t think so. But he’s damn close and this would cement it. This is where he becomes a household name to even non-Chiefs fans.

I was going to say this.

Thuney only has 4 all pro selections. Guys like Alan Faneca and Kevin Mawae had at least 6 so he’s a bit behind there.

But if we win the SB with this guy playing LT I don’t think there’s any doubt he eventually gets in at some point.

So did they come out today that DJ is not playing?

Man. I have no idea what Veach is gonna do at LT this offseason but I do not envy him.

BWILLIE is always wrong :rolleyes:

Grunny guessed right. He manages that about 3 times a year.

Mahomes calls the shots.

Mahomes is not going to pick Humphries.

He's going to go with one of his guys.

LMAO

You should probably stop laughing since you've been wrong on every take you've had in this thread.

DJ was never gonna be the guy. After the Denver game where he was just "ok" for a half, and then horrible for a half that wasn't gonna do it.

The offense was never change with JT at LT. And the run game didn't suffer.

Still not going to believe anything until I hear it from Andy, but Thuney was always the safe choice and that's kind of how Reid likes to roll. Feel kind of bad for Humphries, but maybe this helps them keep him on a cheap, 1-year prove it deal for next year, assuming they even want to. Not even sure it's worth it anymore, just go get Cam Robinson and be done with this shit for 3+ years.

If it's Thuney-Caliendo, so be it. Let's roll.

Thuney LTOTF? :p

Honestly after the Broncos game I wouldn’t might Kingsley at LG.

Cam Robinson is ass. ****ing hell do I hope we don't go after him in the offseason.

As a Humphries supporter I'm not mad. The quick strike offense was deadly and I'd be willing to bet it came down to who Mahomes trusted.

DJ making 6 million and a Superbowl ring to play 7 quarters of football (4 of which were basically preseason) is hilarious

I think it all came down to conditioning. D.J. Humphries likely isn't in good enough shape yet to go 100% for an entire game.

He's solid insurance at this point.

I never said DJ was going to be the guy. I never said the run game suffered.

So I'm still laughing.

Yup.

Would've preferred Humphries prove to the coaching staff that he's up to the task but he evidently wasn't able to do so.

So be it.

I think that lowers our ceiling a little bit but I don't think we need our ceiling to advance, at least not this week.

Yep.

The fact that the chiefs were willing to bench Wanya for a guy who had no offseason reps proves that humphries was absolutely being considered.

I don’t think he looks that bad. He looks like a guy who hasn’t had reps so he’s missing a few things that come with repetition and communication. and understandably isn’t well conditioned jumping into peak conditioning. Feel like we can’t rule him out for next year when we can get a full offseason out of him. But yeah, for now, you have a safer option who has lower upside but isn’t going to have some issues. Easy decision.

Would have liked to see this work moreso because thuney in a natural position is a substantial upgrade over caliendo. But we can definitely make this work with thuney for the final stretch.

Hopefully we can get to a commanding lead and get more reps out of Humphreys

Eh - I don't see it happening.

If 3 weeks of practice didn't convince Reid that he's ready to start, 2 more halves in garbage time won't.

Moreover, there's really no such thing as garbage time in the playoffs. I mean if we go into the 2nd half with a 17 point lead that's a 'commanding lead' by any definition and we'd still be fools to bench starters.

Looks like the ship has sailed on Humphries meaningfully contributing this season. Worthwhile gamble but the hamstring injury pretty much smothered it in the crib. He's a backup now -- shouldn't see the field apart from injury.

Onward and upward...

He's going to have to sign Cam Robinson or Terron Armstead, that's really all there is to it. We simply cannot keep doing this shit.

Armstead is older and has an injury history, and might be willing to come in for cheap to try and ring chase, but Robinson gives you more long term stability. Either way, I'd be shocked if one of these guys is not a Chief next year. I just can't see them trading up with all the pending free agents we have, we're going to need those picks.

It would be amazing if something else comes up, but right now I don't know what the hell else you can do.

Mildly disappointing that DJ isn't up to it, but definitely no second guessing. These guys know.

Is it at all surprising that Wanya couldn't have stepped in at LG over Caliendo given he projects to be able to play there?

I mean, he's less ass than anything we've trotted out there in 2+ years and less ass than anything else that's going to be available.

At this point, I'll take the lowest level of ass we can possibly find, as long as it's not as ass-ey as what we've been seeing.

I had been in the Robinson camp under the belief that Humphries would be able to establish himself and eventually command a 2-3 year deal worth fairly close to what Robinson gets. I like Robinson more than Humphries as a pure pass protector so was leaning Robinson.

Humphries didn't do that. He's probably looking at a 'make-good' deal that's closer to what Donovan Smith got than what Robinson is going to get.

As such, I'd probably pivot to DJ from Robinson at this point. I think Cam's a pretty known quantity (and no, I don't think that quantity is 'ass'), but as frustrating as this annual musical chairs has become at LT, I think another year of it is likely in order. This is the first time it's really been a shit-show and Wanya's knee injury may well have contributed to that a great deal.

Humphries/Robinson competing for the LT job next year wouldn't bother me a ton. And of course Kingsley has an off-season to get himself back into the mix.

Not really surprised by this news, peak Humphries and Thuney on the field at the same time theoretically is the best OL the Chiefs can present, but Humphries must have lost a step due to conditioning, injury, or just time away from the game. Humphries is still solid depth at LT and NO WAY would I want to see Morris or Kingsley enter the game to protect #15's blind side, so having Humphries on the roster puts one player in between Morris or Kingsley potentially on the field at LT in case of some kind of disaster.

Honestly though, I was hoping Humphries would be at Pro Bowl caliber coming in and would finally solve the LT situation for the semi-long term.

They are not tinkering with shit in the playoffs.. Caliendo has played there and isn’t as bad as you think..

No I mean that initially Wanya wasn't the choice. Wanya could've been there for awhile. Not at all suggesting he should have been just asking whether that seems disappointing he wasn't considered good enough to slot in over the UDFA.

If they have seen enough from DJ to think he can actually hold down the position next year, and they can keep him on a reasonable 1-year deal, I'd say go for it as well. I'll be fine with that if they decide to go that route, obviously they know better than us.

Still just bummed he couldn't bring it together quickly enough to be the guy for the playoffs. However, if it ends up giving us a starter for next year, it was worth the $6 mil to bring him in and learn the playbook, culture, ect.

We really still ****ing that Cam Robinson chicken after he allowed 21!!! pressures in what were essentially 2 playoff games for the Vikings? Yes, Sam Darnold lost his rabbit ass minds but the OL weren't doing him any favors, Robinson in particular.

LMAO Holy shit, Reid won't even play him for this stretch of postseason games and some of y'all want to sign him for next year?!?

I mean they're not playing him - but they saw enough that they gave it a shot. That probably means something.

But yeah - the only way to salvage anything we spent on him this year is to bring him back next season.

He's less than a year off ACL... he might get better...

He's a career broke dick. There's absolutely no reason to bring him back if he can't even be counted on to start for the 2024 post season.

Regarding both DJ and Robinson... I'm not sure anyone really wants either, but what the hell else are we going to do? Our options are basically several various piles of shit, some of which are less offensive than the others.

I hope like hell something else comes up, but unless Willie Roaf reveals he discovered the Fountain of Youth on a journey to the unknown and wants to come back and win a ring, I don't know what they're possibly going to find.

Someone will have to scout play by play bc fr what I am seeing stat wise Darnold was responsible for the majority of those sacks/pressures.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">According to <a href="https://twitter.com/FantasyPtsData?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FantasyPtsData</a>, Sam Darnold&#39;s 2.72-second average time to pressure ranked second-highest among QBs during the Wild Card round. <br><br>That would have been the highest during the regular season among 47 qualified QBs.<br><br>Darnold had a 3.08-second average time to throw, the…</p>&mdash; Jacob Wayne (@wayne_bets) <a href="https://twitter.com/wayne_bets/status/1879263818754441696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'm not in the Cam Robinson camp and at this point, I couldn't care less about DJ. He was here in the hopes he could play the LT position for the rest of the season. He can't so do whatever with him, I don't care.

Honestly, I'm not even thinking about next year. Thuney is the LT for the 3-peat run and that's all that matters to me.

https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesotavikings/s/BFdCRyARLv

"Vikings allowed 24 pressures vs the Rams and only 11 of them were within 2.5 seconds of the snap"

This is from a poster in this thread and I'm not sure if it's correct. If it is then Sam Darnold ****ed his line.

"Additional context: In the first half, Darnold was sacked 6 times. None were faster than 3.2 seconds, and four of them were 4.4+ seconds."

What did I miss?