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-King- 06-15-2014 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10692627)
And Flowers wouldn't have been better than Owens or Gaines?

I just find it odd that when Flowers has a bad year, he deserves to be cut - but when other players making more money than their production dictates - and are older - the same folks change their opinion.

One of the two had to be cut to make room for Houston and/or Smith. Tamba Hali was the more productive of the two last year. So he gets to stay and Flowers gets the boot.

I don't see why that's hard to understand. For some reason in this thread you've acted like people hate Flowers and just wanted to see him gone.

BossChief 06-15-2014 02:47 PM

They waited to cut him because they wanted something in return for him and couldn't get it.

If traded, the team trading for his contract is only responsible for the remaining base salaries...meaning no nfl team was willing to give up anything for Brandon Flowers on a 3 year/18 million dollar deal...which is very affordable.

6/yr for a 27 year old pro bowl corner is NOTHING.

Which makes me think he has a medical issue that's scaring everyone away.

BossChief 06-15-2014 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10693048)
One of the two had to be cut to make room for Houston and/or Smith. Tamba Hali was the more productive of the two last year. So he gets to stay and Flowers gets the boot.

I don't see why that's hard to understand. For some reason in this thread you've acted like people hate Flowers and just wanted to see him gone.

Because Flowers is one of our best defenders.

If they wanted to create cap space, they should have cut both kickers, Fasano and Daniel.

Losing those guys doesn't impact the team as much as losing Flowers and we have replacements in line already for them...or could get replacements as udfas

OnTheWarpath15 06-15-2014 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10693106)
Because Flowers is one of our best defenders.

If they wanted to create cap space, they should have cut both kickers, Fasano and Daniel.

Losing those guys doesn't impact the team as much as losing Flowers and we have replacements in line already for them...or could get replacements as udfas

This.

A 28 year old who has been nothing but great his entire career has one bad year, and people think he's washed up.

We have plenty of overpaid slapdicks we could have cut if it were only about money.

xztop123 06-15-2014 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ghak99 (Post 10692584)
Your road to success is UDFA corner backs?

LMAO

Yes. Cornerback is not a position that you have to spend high draft picks on. Especially when you can get by with one trick pony types of CB's. The CB's that Seattle and KC are after wouldn't be great corner backs for teams that run a multitude of coverages. Therefore they fall.

xztop123 06-15-2014 03:59 PM

Milkman Earl Thomas(and the lb's) were cheating up vs Denver. Peyton Manning said it numerous times if you listened to his mic'd up portion. It wasn't a matter of them being phenom tacklers as much as it was their scheme recognizing that Denver wanted to dink and dunk so they were playing their zones toward the line.

Denver couldn't beat them over the top because they have Earl Thomas and a very good rotation of pass rush

milkman 06-15-2014 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 10693279)
Milkman Earl Thomas(and the lb's) were cheating up vs Denver. Peyton Manning said it numerous times if you listened to his mic'd up portion. It wasn't a matter of them being phenom tacklers as much as it was their scheme recognizing that Denver wanted to dink and dunk so they were playing their zones toward the line.

Denver couldn't beat them over the top because they have Earl Thomas and a very good rotation of pass rush

Oh look, a moron thinks he's going to educate me,

ThaVirus 06-15-2014 05:13 PM

Crush him, milkdaddy.

bevischief 06-15-2014 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10692677)
And considering the shit-show of QBs that Bowe has played with, his production has been pretty remarkable over his career.

This.

-King- 06-15-2014 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10693106)
Because Flowers is one of our best defenders.

Was

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If they wanted to create cap space, they should have cut both kickers, Fasano and Daniel.

Losing those guys doesn't impact the team as much as losing Flowers and we have replacements in line already for them...or could get replacements as udfas
Cutting all those guys combined don't add up to what we got by cutting Flowers alone. And no team cuts a bunch of other players just so they don't have to cut one under performing player.

milkman 06-15-2014 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10693534)
Was


Cutting all those guys combined don't add up to what we got by cutting Flowers alone. And no team cuts a bunch of other players just so they don't have to cut one under performing player.

One poor season, due to a knee.
If healthy, he is still one of our best players.

As for those other players, with without Flowers even in the consideration, they're still overpaid and should be cut.

aturnis 06-15-2014 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10692650)
In fairness, WR's depend on a QB to get them the ball. They can do everything right, be wide open, and the QB goes elsewhere with the ball.

While it's nice to have Houston opposite him, Hali doesn't require anything from him to sack the QB.

I disagree. A lot of Hali's sacks early in the season were chased our turned into Hali by Houston. When Houston left with injury, Hali's production went to shit.

-King- 06-15-2014 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10693542)
One poor season, due to a knee.
If healthy, he is still one of our best players.

Once again though. He's had lingering issues the past 2 seasons and doesn't fit what Dorsey and Sutton want in a CB.

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As for those other players, with without Flowers even in the consideration, they're still overpaid and should be cut.
Sure, but that doesn't mean you cut all of them at once just to save someone who doesn't even want to play in the system.

milkman 06-15-2014 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 10693559)
I disagree. A lot of Hali's sacks early in the season were chased our turned into Hali by Houston. When Houston left with injury, Hali's production went to shit.

The pass rush disappeared because of Houston's injury and Poe's fatigue.

aturnis 06-15-2014 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10692724)
LMAO Bowe's contract. I always forget about that.

In fairness, Alex likes to distribute the ball around so his receivers have never had gaudy stats... But ****ing a, dude. He's getting top 5 WR money when he deserved top 15 at best.

Shit. Remembering that deal really makes me cringe at the idea of Dorsey in negotiations with Houston and Smith. We're going to get taken to the woodshed.

Smith completely ignored Bowe for like the first 5 games whether he was open our not.

Personally I think it was b/c of the number of routes Bowe ran to the sideline, Alex's weakest area. Also early on it seemed like they used Bowe to draw coverage on a few decoy routes. Not an overwhelming amount, but passing downs none the less.


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