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DJ's left nut 03-09-2022 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16183104)
I made up my mind 6 weeks ago that MLB had no intention of playing games in April and nothing I've seen so far has deterred me on that point, so you're right about that much.

Both of these sides are very clearly determined to extend this longer.

Had the players accepted any number of exceedingly fair offers the owners have made especially over the last week or so, we’d have baseball in April.

But you’re right on top of their sinister plan.

Keep on ****ing that chicken.

‘Both sides’ my ass. One side has come to the table looking to address the others concerns. The other is just throwing tantrums and moving goalposts.

KC_Connection 03-09-2022 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16183111)
Nevermind the MASSIVE concessions the owners have made.

Because KCN thinks the owners always wanted to cancel games so that’s clearly correct.

LMAO at the characterization of these being massive concessions as if their initial positions weren't outrageously out of line to begin with.

Just wait a month or so for the real negotiations to begin.

KC_Connection 03-09-2022 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16183114)
Had the players accepted any number of exceedingly fair offers the owners have made especially over the last week or so, we’d have baseball in April.

But you’re right on top of their sinister plan.

Keep on ****ing that chicken.

‘Both sides’ my ass. One side has come to the table looking to address the others concerns. The other is just throwing tantrums and moving goalposts.

Exceedingly fair for who? The owners are fighting over relative pennies for them at this point. If they wanted the season to start on time, it would be starting on time.

DJ's left nut 03-09-2022 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16183116)
LMAO at the characterization of these being massive concessions as if their initial positions weren't outrageously out of line to begin with.

Just wait a month or so for the real negotiations to begin.

As opposed to the 1,000% increase in the pre-arb pool the players requested over what they agreed to, what, 8 years ago?

Or again, how about the literal DECADES the players have spent foolishly spurning MLB efforts to create a genuine revenue split?

KC_Connection 03-09-2022 07:34 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mets owner Steve Cohen &#39;likes&#39; tweet shading MLB owners <a href="https://t.co/VZZmmxYhgY">https://t.co/VZZmmxYhgY</a> <a href="https://t.co/8H8xwlDs5u">pic.twitter.com/8H8xwlDs5u</a></p>&mdash; New York Post (@nypost) <a href="https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1501669675461140493?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I enjoyed seeing this one earlier btw. I'm sure if it was solely up to Cohen, they would be starting the season on time.

DJ's left nut 03-09-2022 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16183119)
Exceedingly fair for who? The owners are fighting over relative pennies for them at this point. If they wanted the season to start on time, it would be starting on time.

Ah.

So typical populist class warfare stuff.

Got it.

DJ's left nut 03-09-2022 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16183123)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mets owner Steve Cohen &#39;likes&#39; tweet shading MLB owners <a href="https://t.co/VZZmmxYhgY">https://t.co/VZZmmxYhgY</a> <a href="https://t.co/8H8xwlDs5u">pic.twitter.com/8H8xwlDs5u</a></p>&mdash; New York Post (@nypost) <a href="https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1501669675461140493?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I enjoyed seeing this one earlier btw. I'm sure if it was solely up to Cohen, they would be starting the season on time.

So the guy who shit on his own players on social media is now the champion of the ‘All Owners Are Bastards’ crowd, eh?

Makes sense.

KC_Connection 03-09-2022 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16183125)
Ah.

So typical populist class warfare stuff.

Got it.

The owners sat on their hands for months by not even making an offer to MLBPA, and are now fighting aggressively over distinctions that will make an almost miniscule difference in terms of their overall business.

It doesn't take a lot to figure out why.

jd1020 03-09-2022 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16183130)
The owners sat on their hands for months by not even making an offer to MLBPA, and are now fighting aggressively over distinctions that will make an almost miniscule difference in terms of their overall business.

It doesn't take a lot to figure out why.

MLBPA has yet to even vote on an offer.

KC_Connection 03-09-2022 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16183128)
So the guy who shit on his own players on social media is now the champion of the ‘All Owners Are Bastards’ crowd, eh?

Makes sense.

You think the big market clubs are the ones driving this lockout?

Rams Fan 03-09-2022 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16183128)
So the guy who shit on his own players on social media is now the champion of the ‘All Owners Are Bastards’ crowd, eh?

Makes sense.

Well, any owner who accepted millions in subsidies or public funding for stadiums deserves to be considered a bastard.

Ocotillo 03-09-2022 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16183059)
Whats your point?

The international draft, from what I understand, would actually have allocated more money to international players than the current signing period. And that's an issue for international players already in MLB because why?

Even with that said, the MLB ****ing gave them the option to simply think about the international draft while giving them what they wanted by removing the QO and they still didn't take it.

Even though it would have paid them more money, a majority of the Latin players would prefer to pick their team rather than get drafted to a team that they have no choice with being with. For example, the Chicago White Sox are popular among Cuban players because they have the support system in place that they're comfortable with.

I think the real issue with the international draft is there's a fear that this new system would eliminate the influence of buscones. Buscones are both good and bad.

They pay Dominican players in their early years, basically extend them loans and then they take a portion of their signing bonus when they sign. I think MLB wants to get rid of their corruptive influence but at the same time, these guys are responsible for the youth development of baseball too in the country. There's a fear about who might take over the vacuum of Dominican player development if the buscones don't have the incentive to do so anymore.

Puerto Rico's interest in youth baseball plummeted when it was included in the draft, and the buscones were marginalized. That's what the Dominicans fear.

Either way, it's going to be an issue that is going to take time to resolve.

Ocotillo 03-09-2022 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 16183133)
Well, any owner who accepted millions in subsidies or public funding for stadiums deserves to be considered a bastard.

The problem I have with that is seeing an owner going to the government officials and saying we need this public subsidized ballpark to compete with the Yankees and Dodgers.

Once they get it, like the Pirates did with PNC Park and the Marlins with LoanDepot Park, their operating behavior in terms of being competitive and being more aggressive with player spending was not much different when they didn't have the new ballpark.

They still operate like the A's and Rays do in their dumps of a ballpark.

jd1020 03-09-2022 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 16183135)
Even though it would have paid them more money, a majority of the Latin players would prefer to pick their team rather than get drafted to a team that they have no choice with being with.

I bet a lot of domestic players feel the same way.

MLBPA is apparently cool with a world draft though.

DJ's left nut 03-09-2022 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16183132)
You think the big market clubs are the ones driving this lockout?

I just think it’s funny who is now a player ally…


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