Or wait until later in the and make sure we have him for the playoffs. What's the rush?
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For now.

Have you seen Eric Murray play?

Yeah that's why I hope we get Earl Thomas.
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Sorry, but I just can't get too excited over the prospect of having to go out and overpay for Earl Thomas because of our own incompetence.

If Earl Thomas can win one game for the Chiefs they should do it. Because that one game could be in the playoffs.

Why do you care? Is it your money?

And seriously, how do you define "overpay" for a perennial All-Pro?

What are you afraid of? It's like battered fan syndrome or something. Chiefs fans have been conditioned by years of failure to believe that deals like this not only don't happen, they CAN'T happen.

Oh, I believe it can happen. Having to give up a 1st plus and give him a contract making him the highest paid safety in the league gets it done now. Is that worth it? Not to me.

Again, why?

It isn't your money. And we don't really need any more Dee Ford's. So why are you so hung up on potential compensation?

Is it because you're afraid he'll play well enough to save Sutton's job?

I wonder if Bears fans wrung their hands about giving up 2 firsts for Khalil Mack?

Haven't I made that clear already? He's going to be 30 next year, he doesn't actually guarantee us shit in the form of winning games, that "compensation" could help us a hell of a lot in the future, and I actually plan to be a Chiefs fan for longer than this year. I know you're desperate for them to win it all this year and be done with them, but that's not me.

I'd give up a 2nd and a 5th for him. Chances are pretty high that those players won't be starters. Hell I'd give up a 1st and 5th for him. Maybe both of our 2nds for him.

There's always next year.

I mean, if Earl Thomas was anywhere near as valuable as Khalil Mack there would be teams jumping over each other to throw picks at the Seahawks just for the right to sign him. But there isn't.

You don't care if they have to mortgage the future to win now. I disagree to an extent. Let's just leave it at that.

Trading for Earl Thomas doesn't hurt this team's future at all.

1) He's a FS. He could play another 4 years easy. Every bit as long as a draft pick.

2) There's a ton of money going to come off the books next year and after. His salary will be EASY to absorb, even if he's the highest-paid safety in the league.

3) So far, this regime's defensive drafts have demonstrated at least partially that they don't know how to fix this defense through the draft. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

There's no reason not to do this deal, not only for this year but for the next 2 or 3.

We have no idea who is inquiring or what is going on behind the scenes.

Hey, we disagree. Its okay, dude.

You're right, I don't care about mortgaging the future.

But they wouldn't be mortgaging the future anyway. That's a myth that teams foist on fans to justify standing pat and doing nothing.

Okay. So folks like Schefter and Rapaport just inexplicably have no inkling of what is going on in the trade market for Earl Thomas.

Nobody knew what was going on with Mack until like 2 days before he was traded. And as far as we know, the Bears were the only suitor.

Ian Rapaport

With less than 24 hrs to go before the cut-down day deadline, the trade market for #Raiders star pass-rusher Khalil Mack is robust, I’m told. There are enough teams interested where the chances of Mack being traded is very real. Oakland is gauging and listening. Tune in tomorrow.

Once it was established that the Raiders were actually going to trade Mack, it sparked a frenzy. The Seahawks and Cowboys were working out a deal until the Seahawks decided a 2nd wasn't good enough. Sounds like a market would've developed from there if teams were interested but it didn't.

Superturdle

Old takes exposed just tweeted a guy claiming Thomas is a Chief if Berry accepts settlement

Is Earl in KC yet?

Who is that and why should we care? Broken anything in the past?

Theres clearly some deep state, spy vs spy skullduggery afoot on both sides

Pretty sure this is gonna happen, but its gonna be like pulling teeth

The Chiefs should trade for Earl Thomas imho

If we have negotiated contract details with Earls agent, the trade compensation is already worked out with Seattle for them to approve KC talking to Earls agent...otherwise it’s tampering.

I’ll bet anything the hang up is that Earl wants the highest safety contract ever and after the situation with Berry, I doubt they are willing to go down that road again. Especially with the league sending the message that safeties aren’t worth that much.

Here’s the rub...

With Earls age, you can’t really give him much more than a 3 year deal and he might sit out that third year...so is he essentially worth highest safety contract ever and really for only 2 years?

I’d still pull the trigger, but that’s a significant amount of concern for a guy that will cost a first and a big contract...when this upcoming draft class has a few elite pass rushers we might be able to package a 1+2 to move up for.

Have you heard of Seth Keysor who writes for the Athletic? - he's much more knowledgeable than most on here - Please watch this - See the 'big picture' - use the online cap calculator he mentions. PLEASE! You need to re-train what you've always known to be correct. This is a new methodology in the league - Please - watch - for me!


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Doesn't sound any different than all the crap we've heard about Thomas. :hmmm:

Not too uncommon.

I'm not confident this staff can even identify an elite pass rusher. They thought Speaks was a pass rusher. The only way they draft one is if one literally drops into their lap.

Only thing I've heard is the Chiefs or the Cowboys. If that's your definition of robust then sure.

Eagles and Steelers were also mentioned earlier and the week and there were others over the summer. You only hear what you want to hear.

https://twitter.com/MarcusHumpsAndy/...738568704?s=19

Enough anonymous online randos have broken significant sports news in recent years that I won't just dismiss this outright. Still more likely bullshit than not, but you never know.

Berry prob doesn't want to do the settlement the guy is quoting hence the hold up or Seattle is just making us get desperate and waiting us out

Links? I haven't seen that. I've seen speculation from fans but that's about it.

Sammy watkins deal immediately comes to mind

There was also that guy on r/NBA who broke a bunch of different stories before Woj or Shams

well I'd normally agree - but you know Eric and his family live here in Atlanta.

You should track them down and ask directly!!

They aren't talking settlement with berry.


That just sounds stupid and like bull shit

However, consider this:

What if they are???

I think it's possible - unlikely - but he DOES love the team, I think.

The Chiefs aren’t interacting with the media as if they have intentions of moving on from Berry, from what I've read/listened to they expect him back anytime. 3 weeks ago I remember hearing Reid indicate he expected Berry back in a couple weeks and I was relieved.

This whole situation is very odd.

The same heal has had the same issues for 3-4 years now. If it was as simple as a surgery, you’d think they would have gotten it done when the first Achilles tore...

I have a hard time believing they wouldn't shave the bone spur down unless Berry is outright refusing to have the surgery and would rather be done.

Hmm, I thought the bone spur issue is on the foot he didn't have the Achilles tear from before though.

Every injury is unique. Especially things like bone injuries and deformities.

Without knowing specifics, it’s literally impossible to know how bad EB29s injury could be.

I just know he’s missed practices because of that exact part of his body for at least 3 years.

It is

I think the only thing preventing a trade for Earl is the compensation/money. It's been agreed to just need Berrys settlement I'm guessing or Seattle knowing we are desperate is playing hard ball

What likely happened last year was due to the pain of this bone spur, he overcompensated on the other leg and ruptured that Achilles.

And honestly, we shouldn’t be surprised if it happens again since they probably haven’t legitimately fixed anything.

Agree 100%.

I don’t see what the big deal is with Earl Thomas financially. We are about to have money after this season and Houston will most likely be gone after next season as well as Berry (if not sooner).

Wait it out, give up a 2nd+additional pick for ET and keep drafting defense.

Doesn’t hurt us at all.

He has had issues with the heel that is currently causing him issues for over 3 years.

He tore the other Achilles last year.

I hate to say it, but I see Eric having a career ending injury because of that heel in the first 3-4 games he tries to come back, but I hope I’m wrong.

If I’m KC I -IR with intent to return- Berry and bring him back for the last 2 games of the year and hope he can play in the playoffs and I’m already trading for Earl Thomas so my defense has a chance to compete in the playoffs against teams with a lot of talent in the passing game.

Matching against Amendola, Edelman, Gronkowski and their RBs in the playoffs against NE.

Facing Pittsburgh again, but with Bell.

Facing teams like the Vikings, Saints, Falcons or Giants in the Super Bowl.

Earl would play a huge role in every one of those matchups that could the difference between winning and losing if we have an off game and they have a great one.

Unless they get what they want, why would they make the trade before the deadline?

They can wait and hope for a better market to form if other teams have an injury and become interested in Thomas.

Because a team won't trade unless Thomas resigns

I hate to say it but I kinda feel like the Twitter guy could be right.

Huh? What twitter guy?

Thomas could get hurt

Ah, okay thanks. I didn't realize that other one had been a lingering problem.

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im sure that’s why he’s a hes skipping some practices.

I don't think so. Get the surgery done now and get him back next season in the absolute worst case scenario.

I think twitter guy is right too. Why would they waste time right now? If he were getting surgery he'd have gotten it.

If he really needed surgery, you'd think it would have been done by now. Something else is going on.

It sounds like to me he's going to play through the pain at some point, otherwise the surgery would have already happened.

You think they would seek an injury settlement this early in the season?

No way.

Yep. I don't think anything has actually changed with his health. This "leak" was most likely the Chiefs trying to get him to feel more urgency.

I think I’d try to play him only on game days this year, maybe one practice a week. Then get surgery as soon as the season ends.

The injury settlement only makes sense if he’s just ready to retire.

How does an injury settlement work in terms of the cap?

Anyone else think our medical staff just might be completely ****ing incompetent?

That or they've had a run of extremely bad luck.

oh God - This thread. Jesus

There has been a trend of suspicious nature of injuries, I don't think it's bad luck. I think it's medically incompetent.

Yeah, I know. Just a bit of sarcasm.

Duly noted.