I won't be in 2 years when he's retired due to injuries.

This is the only right answer.

500 of his 1,100 yards came in 3 games.

He was good, but not as good as you’re making him out to be.

Running backs with low mileage retire early from injuries and running backs with high mileage keep going. You can't act like carries in college 100% predict injury because while it can be a useful tool for betting the odds you actually have no idea.






This reminds me of the guys who say listen such and such running back is actually pedestrian if you take out all his 40+ yard runs.

So 6 good games out of 16 where he finished mid pack or better and its unquestionable. :facepalm:

Taylor was on my FFB team last year, he wasn't that good.

Yea, he had some great games, but he wasn’t a guy that was great week in and week out.

The difference in the OL’s is huge too.

Only thing I notice is that sometimes it looks like he doesn't see the hole or sees it too late. Saw it last year and on Saturday, he had space on his 2nd run but I guess he didn't see it? https://i.ibb.co/tM97Gmp/20210817-140433.gif

**** all that noise. In a do over with 20/20 hindsight I'm giving every team above pick #22 a call and taking the cheapest trade for Justin Jefferson.

You realize you are on the side of Ubeja Vintell. You do realize that right?

So no he isn't better.

Didn't mean to downvote you on that one. Good video.

Uh.... Might want to check CEHs stats before you go into making that seem like a negative.

47% of CEHs yards came from 3 games
43% of Taylor's yards came from 3 games

ROFL

I think he didn't bounce that outside because the DE/DT had outside leverage on his blocker that he coulda easily shed, so CEH kicked back inside to follow behind the block. That's my guess at least.

CEH may not have the speed to elude that DE like that, while J. Charles probably houses it.

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What I don't see is a guy benefitting from a great line. Dude is a beast.

And the assumption that he's going to be injured, after CEH did get injured, is a big one.

I don't give a rat's ass what Ubeja Vintell thinks, use your eyeballs

You don’t think that Taylor had an advantage with his OL in comparison to the one CEH had?

That’s just ****ing reeruned.

I will say having Tee Higgins would be nice.

This is a stupid ****ing conversation.

It's been one ****ing season. If that's the clear decider in determining player worth, then I guess the Chiefs ****ed up in 2017 and should have drafted Deshaun Watson, eh?

And besides that, the Chiefs made the move they did knowing what they knew back then. CEH wasn't some Breeland Speaks whiff by Veach, where everybody was like, "uhh... what?" when the pick happened. Some really smart football peoples' instant reaction to that pick was that of, "Holy shit, the Chiefs just entered God Mode now." Remember Brett Kollman when the pick happened? He wasn't going to react that way if the Chiefs took Jonathan Taylor instead. It was all a reaction to the specific player the Chiefs took, not the position they chose.

Veach had a plan with the way the team would use CEH and we're going to get a much better glimpse of that possibility this season. And for all we know, it might make Jonathan Taylor look like Jonathan Taylor Thomas.

It was the 32nd overall freakin pick. How about we all just grab our own dicks and wait a goddamn minute?

Christ.

I think CEH is going to be a lot better this season with an improved line. I've said it all offseason.

What's reeruned is ignoring Jonathan Taylor's actual tape because you don't want to admit he is better than we thought he'd be, which he is. Especially in the passing game.

Look I hate the Colts but I'm not going to ignore the evidence to prop my guy up. It's plain as day that the guy has it.

The Colts were 8th in run block win rate.

The Chiefs were 31st.

Tell me again how the difference in OL’s doesn’t matter.

CEH was on mine...ditto.

This. Wish Andy would have stuck with running the ball more as it was working early when we did run. That and some screens and quick slants. Still infuriating thinking about how badly that game was managed all the way through.

While we're at it, we should've drafted Metcalf over Hardman.

I do wonder if we still would've drafted Hardman if the Hill shit wasn't going down.

All of this over a couple of running backs.

We have the best QUARTERBACK in the league. Who ****ing cares about RB?

I mean...yeah. It's not an exact science I guess. I'm just glad we have Veach because he's right 90% of the time and when he isn't he cuts bait fast and replaces guys with gems.

The fact that he managed to round up two first round CBs for pennies is amazing.

And again, I do think Hardman and CEH are going to be better this year. CEH is going to have a lot more room to make those cuts we drooled over last season.

Nobody said Jonathan Taylor sucks (except when directed at Ubeja).

I'm saying let's all wait a ****ing minute. Like longer than one season.

Nah man. It’s set in stone now.

CEH doesn’t even get a look behind an OL that isn’t bottom 3 in run blocking first.

Antonio Callaway gone

We really thought he’d be here lmao

That's fair.


Maybe I should rephrase this to make it more palatable.



I was very wrong, so far, about Taylor's ability to catch and not fumble. Based on his performance last season, he's being drafted in first rounds across fantasy leagues. He clearly turned it on in the final six games of the season or so.

That could absolutely change. But as of right now he appears to be the better draft choice.

I would LOVE to be proven wrong.

Yeah certain posters on here are like 0/10 so far but we already knew that was gonna happen

Didn't Callaway get injured?

I kinda doubt it, he was strictly a hedge against losing Reek to a suspension IMO

Speaking of players I was wrong about in the draft...


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I think there’s a stronger argument that we should’ve taken Antonio Gibson at the end of round 2 after drafting like Tee Higgins or Chase Claypool at the end of the first.

Of course, then we would’ve missed out on Willie Gay unless he fell to 96 (unlikely). Which then would cost us Niang.

All in all, I’m happy with our team. You can second guess any pick. I think we need to see what CEH does behind this line before we judge too harshly.

I was hoping we would've made some kind of BS offer like this. Of the high profile CBs who have had rough starts to their careers, I would have preferred Jackson to Hughes.

But that's also my draft hard on I had for him talking. And Hughes is looking decent, or at the very least, he's likely somebody who's going to make the team.

Not sure how Jackson's been doing this offseason, but it's looking like Veach made the right call so far.

CEH is going to go off with this new OL, and having a full non-covid off season will also benefit him.

For sure the Covid thing on CEH will play a part.


CEH doesn't have break-away speed but he does have the ability to make instant cuts. That doesn't help much when you're getting hit immediately.

I think those cuts are going to come into play a lot more behind this line. I would also like to see him run more complex routes

We don’t need to become the most prolific running team in the NFL.

We just need teams to respect our run, especially in the red zone.

Clearly last year defenses did not have to be concerned with our run game, and it showed in the Super Bowl and all year in the red zone.

Gibson was my draft crush last year, his skill set was absolutely perfect for us

But I’m down with Clyde, he got off to a really hot start until the O line injuries started piling up… it’s gonna be a different result this year, the line is now built around power, not finesse

Been a long time.
Feels great to be back.
A lot has happened since i was here, we got a REAL QB and won a SB.
Go Cheeeefs!

I liked him a lot in the draft process, as well…but he was inexperienced at Iowa and is a zone corner with limited coaching on differing techniques. I’m not sure our defense would be a great fit for him.

wb?

Exactly. This is why I think we keep all 4 TEs and let go of the FB. We know what we have in Kelce, we're pretty sure Bell is a good blocker with sub-standard hands, Fortson looks like he can block and catch, a Gray is a draft choice with a lot of potential. I wouldn't mind seeing a touch of Martyball in the 4th ahead by 10 or knowing you can make a 4th and 2 90% of the time without putting PMII in peril. I don't have stats, but I'd bet you see a lot more false starts/motion on passing plays in the red zone than when your job is to blast the guy across from you into next Sunday.

But see, that's not the argument here.

Holy shit! Good to see you dude!

We had an injury today in camp. Frank Clark pulled a hammy and will undergo an MRI. I'm frustrated with this guy.

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I think we agree across the board here.

Rub some gunpowder on it and get back in the game.

FAX

Maybe its time to cut bait on Dieter and keep Fortson and Burton

Dieter is rarely ever on the team, 98% of his time here has been on the PS.

fixed

Nieman looks bad all by himself.

He would probably get called for pushing off on that play if he did that in a game.

True, but the silver lining in that (at least for KC): The end result was Hill signed a contract that was considerably less than what he could have gotten if there had been no allegations.

Josh Jackson is a safety trying to play CB. Dude can only play zone with everything in front. He's very limited.

I don't care if Neiman knows the playbook better than others- it does not make up for being such a pussy on the field. :rolleyes:

Better late than never!

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Andy loves a Fullback. In fact I'm hard pressed in his head coaching career to remember when he didn't carry one. He has always devised special plays for the FB.

Oh baby, He ****ing pancaked Stonecold Jones. I am loving this kid my kind of guard mean and physical. Reminds me of Will, Clark Kent off the field that turns into a badass on the field.

One of these guys is a sixth round draft pick rookie and the other Chris ****ing Jones

:eek::eek::eek:

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Jones is going to rape faces this year and I LOVE IT!!!

Scary but then again he looks like his hamstring just exploded like 4 times a game. It's like the human body just isn't meant to be that fast.

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Fortson is playing at 244, per today’s Nate Taylor piece.

Seems way more prepared to contribute this year than Gray.

Pancaked? I don't think that word means what you think it means. And the second part was probably holding.

Did you watch the full clip? You put a man on his backside yes that's a pancake. I think you don't know what's allowed with the use of hands for an offensive lineman. They get to use their hands. Review the work done by Fisher on Watt in that often played gif.

Welcome to ChiefsPlanet, where two grown men who likely never played football beyond the High School level (if that), argue over what is a pancake block or not.

Could pretty much be the description of this board if any potential new member needs a brief synopsis.

Who ****ing cares how much ball they played. You don't need to play HS ball to understand football terminology.

Mmm. Pancakes.

Might want to watch the whole clip.

Mmmm...damn, You bastard. When you put it like that, i want some damn pancakes too now.

That's true, but I think 4 TEs just gives us more flexibility. We know Kelce is a lock, so that leaves 2 spaces for 3 guys if you keep the FB. Which do you let go? Bell is a good blocker but has less than stellar hands, Fortson looks OK blocking and has good hands, and Gray is a draft choice, unknown potential. I'd like to see a little more of Gray since he didn't look that good in the last game. I think Fortson has the edge over him right now. If we let Gray or Fortson go (I'm saying Bell is good), could we sneak either on the PS and protect them or would one get poached?

Well one of them doesn't then. So who's right?

The point is, all people do on here is bicker over stupid shit such as pancake blocks with both adamant that they are correct.

Okay.

I'm tired of training camp.

Bring on the Skidmarks.

FAX

Where is pancakes house?

Could it be that we found a diamond in the rough in Fortson and his move to TE?

I hope so, but im not nearly as convinced as everyone else around here. He still looks like a WR to me. Has legs and ass like a WR, not a TE. Still has the build of a WR and of what little i saw of him blocking last week, he still blocked like a WR.

In my eyes, he still looks every bit the part of a tweener.

But what does he put on his pancakes?