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Messier 01-01-2014 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10326516)
They must have included weeks 14, 15, 16, 17. Here are his QBR from the last 4 games.

87.3 Oakland
34.6 Carolina
83.1 Cleveland
90.7 Miami

Pretty impressive when you consider the defenses he faced.

It also said his QBR until that point was only 21.9.
That's great. He still had the 37th ranked QBR for the season.

tk13 01-01-2014 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10326561)
They must value rushing yards or certain types of throws over others.

Also, kinda scary to see Alex Smiths total QBR against Indy was only 11.1
I don't know if I care about rushing yards by a QB as much unless you're specifically running an option offense. At least when trying to include it in QB rating.

Sure that's not bad for a rookie, but you're making the case that Geno was the 2nd best QB in the entire league over the last quarter of the season. Way different argument.

BossChief 01-01-2014 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10326578)
I don't know if I care about rushing yards by a QB as much unless you're specifically running an option offense. At least when trying to include it in QB rating.

Sure that's not bad for a rookie, but you're making the case that Geno was the 2nd best QB in the entire league over the last quarter of the season. Way different argument.
Hahaha

Where did you read that?

BossChief 01-01-2014 04:38 PM
Also, this is a different league than it has been over the last 20 years. Or even the last 5-10 years.

Kaepernick
Geno
Alex
Wilson
Cam
Luck
RG3
Rodgers

The list goes on...Bridgewater, Manziel, etc.

Rushing yards need to be included because its them moving the ball in situations tat old school quarterbacks would take sacks in or throw the ball away.

If we are gonna give quarterbacks passing yards for throwing the ball behind the line of scrimmage and the back taking it the distance, then they should also get the yards they run for figured into their efficiency rating.

tk13 01-01-2014 04:39 PM
You're sitting here arguing for this statistic, then you act incredulous when I say you're arguing in favor of this statistic. Nice job.

Deberg_1990 01-01-2014 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10326604)
Also, this is a different league than it has been over the last 20 years. Or even the last 5-10 years.

Kaepernick
Geno
Alex
Wilson
Cam
Luck
RG3
Rodgers

The list goes on...Bridgewater, Manziel, etc.

Rushing yards need to be included because its them moving the ball in situations tat old school quarterbacks would take sacks in or throw the ball away.


Running QBs have been around for a long time.

Tarkington, Young, Vick, Cunnningham to name a few. It's not new

BigCatDaddy 01-01-2014 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TripleThreat (Post 10326526)
Well..... if your looking for a Peyton manning type QB, you'll be looking to upgrade that position year in and year out. Those type of QB's are just like finding a needle in a haystack, in the NFL it either happens or it doesnt. I highly doubt and do not assume that you are saying draft a QB round 1 year in year out or round 2 year in year out until we find a peyton manning. But - Andrew luck was the most highly anticipated QB prospect since peyton manning, i mean shoot the colts dropped peyton for luck, and Luck still isnt producing Peyton manning type football. That being said he may some day but right now hes not, so the position is always in need of a upgrade for most teams at QB, its just about when do you upgrade it and why.

Think San diego chargers, Brees/Rivers.
Nah, I'm taling about 10-15 guys that teams aren't looking to replace. Not just Peyton. I'm talking Rivers, Romo, Ben, Cam, etc... If you don't have a QB that you feel it a top 10-15 QB in the league than you keep turning over rocks. I'm saying to throw Rivers to the curb while looking for Peyton.

BossChief 01-01-2014 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10326606)
You're sitting here arguing for this statistic, then you act incredulous when I say you're arguing in favor of this statistic. Nice job.
So me saying that it said on espn that Geno had the second highest QBR in the NFL over the final 4 weeks is now saying I think he is the second best quarterback in football?

Good reading, there. That's exactly what I said.

BigCatDaddy 01-01-2014 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 10326573)
That's great. He still had the 37th ranked QBR for the season.
Yeah, rookies struggle at times to start a career. Thanks for the ground breaking news.

BigCatDaddy 01-01-2014 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10326612)
So me saying that it said on espn that Geno had the second highest QBR in the NFL over the final 4 weeks is now saying I think he is the second best quarterback in football?

Good reading, there. That's exactly what I said.
You mean you weren't saying that TQBR rankings weren't exactly the way you would rank the QB's? LMAO

Messier 01-01-2014 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10326617)
Yeah, rookies struggle at times to start a career. Thanks for the ground breaking news.
What's ground breaking is all the people making excuses for the lowest ranked starter in the league, I don't care if he's a rookie. In today's NFL rookies should hit the ground running. Geno is far from a good starting QB, and even a mediocre option should be looked at over him for the Jets.

Deberg_1990 01-01-2014 04:53 PM
Is Geno even assured the starting QB next year for the Jets?

BigCatDaddy 01-01-2014 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 10326627)
What's ground breaking is all the people making excuses for the lowest ranked starter in the league, I don't care if he's a rookie. In today's NFL rookies should hit the ground running. Geno is far from a good starting QB, and even a mediocre option should be looked at over him for the Jets.
No, they shouldn't. Especially when dropped into shit hole offenses. That's just silly.

Messier 01-01-2014 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10326635)
Is Geno even assured the starting QB next year for the Jets?
No. And he shouldn't be. The little fan club here is puzzling.

BigCatDaddy 01-01-2014 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10326635)
Is Geno even assured the starting QB next year for the Jets?
The Jets are a very good organization and are playing that close to the vest rather than have an owner come out in January and say I they plan to or not plan to take a QB in the draft thus devaluing the pick.


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