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Ragged Robin 01-01-2014 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10326541)
Total QBR is far superior because it takes a lot more into its rating. No question.

For the sake of discussion, though...here are his old school quarterback ratings from those same 4 games.

88.6
68.6
91.7
83.9

"A lot more." Have you actually looked at the formula? Half of it is completely subjective. Real QBR are based on facts and facts alone. Like I said in my post, their system is really flawed. I'm not saying Geno didn't play well or trying to debunk his TQBR over that span, just that TQBR is crap.

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 10326723)
What is different today than 2005?

It's a pretty well known fact that college QBs these days come out way more polished and NFL-ready than they were a decade ago. The NFL was running the shotgun about 25% of all passing downs during that time and now it's over 50%.. things have changed a lot.

BigCatDaddy 01-01-2014 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin (Post 10327544)
"A lot more." Have you actually looked at the formula? Half of it is completely subjective. Real QBR are based on facts and facts alone. Like I said in my post, their system is really flawed. I'm not saying Geno didn't play well or trying to debunk his TQBR over that span, just that TQBR is crap.



It's a pretty well known fact that college QBs these days come out way more polished and NFL-ready than they were a decade ago. The NFL was running the shotgun about 25% of all passing downs during that time and now it's over 50%.. things have changed a lot.

Sorry, but I'm not seeing a difference between Rivers preperation coming out and Glennon/Geno. It's all dependent on the system the QB comes from which is why RG3 is struggling at reading defenses. You can't really lump everyone all together in a blanket statement like you're doing.

Mav 01-01-2014 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10327568)
Sorry, but I'm not seeing a difference between Rivers preperation coming out and Glennon/Geno. It's all dependent on the system the QB comes from which is why RG3 is struggling at reading defenses. You can't really lump everyone all together in a blanket statement like you're doing.

I do not want to be in this thread.

But I am bored. There is a huge difference between Phillip/Glennon, and Geno Smiths development.

Just like there was a huge difference between Andrew Lucks, and RG3.

Phillip, and Glennon both ran pro style systems that required them to actually read the defense. Go through progressions, and be a pro qb while in college.

Genos did not.

There is your difference.

Its why Cam, Rg3 Kaep, all had immediate success, and have regressed, while someone like Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck, and Nick Foles have progressed. Quickly.

BigCatDaddy 01-01-2014 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10327596)
I do not want to be in this thread.

But I am bored. There is a huge difference between Phillip/Glennon, and Geno Smiths development.

Just like there was a huge difference between Andrew Lucks, and RG3.

Phillip, and Glennon both ran pro style systems that required them to actually read the defense. Go through progressions, and be a pro qb while in college.

Genos did not.

There is your difference.

Its why Cam, Rg3 Kaep, all had immediate success, and have regressed, while someone like Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck, and Nick Foles have progressed. Quickly.

Agreed 100%.

Mav 01-01-2014 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10327602)
Agreed 100%.

Its also why I hope that the Jets build around him.

They need to give him another year as being a care taker.

So he can keep developing.

Happy NEW YEAR BCD.

BossChief 01-02-2014 12:05 AM

He proved he could get them to 8 wins as a rookie with nothing around him that resembles NFL talent.

I think the kid deserves a chance to improve on that with a couple weapons added to the roster to help him do exactly that.

Sorter 01-02-2014 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10327596)
I do not want to be in this thread.

But I am bored. There is a huge difference between Phillip/Glennon, and Geno Smiths development.

Just like there was a huge difference between Andrew Lucks, and RG3.

Phillip, and Glennon both ran pro style systems that required them to actually read the defense. Go through progressions, and be a pro qb while in college.

Genos did not.

There is your difference.

Its why Cam, Rg3 Kaep, all had immediate success, and have regressed, while someone like Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck, and Nick Foles have progressed. Quickly.


That isn't true.

Mav 01-02-2014 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 10327682)
That isn't true.

Oh? Care to elaborate?

htismaqe 01-02-2014 07:37 AM

Mike Glennon is a scrub.

Some people watch games, others just watch the stats scroll across the bottom of the screen.

Mav 01-02-2014 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10327807)
Mike Glennon is a scrub.

Some people watch games, others just watch the stats scroll across the bottom of the screen.

Some people also understand that he was under a terrible coach. Never really had a running game he was also a third round pick. He will be a lot better under lovie and Jeff Tedford.

htismaqe 01-02-2014 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10327848)
Some people also understand that he was under a terrible coach. Never really had a running game he was also a third round pick. He will be a lot better under lovie and Jeff Tedford.

Define "better". The goal is to win a Super Bowl.

BigCatDaddy 01-02-2014 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10327807)
Mike Glennon is a scrub.

Some people watch games, others just watch the stats scroll across the bottom of the screen.

I thought the same about Foles after his rookie year :facepalm: I've learned to give theses guys 2-3 years before passing judgement.

htismaqe 01-02-2014 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10327885)
I thought the same about Foles after his rookie year :facepalm: I've learned to give theses guys 2-3 years before passing judgement.

I'm all about giving them time to develop but there are some things that time can't fix, like Glennon's utter lack of athleticism.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-02-2014 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10327848)
Some people also understand that he was under a terrible coach. Never really had a running game he was also a third round pick. He will be a lot better under lovie and Jeff Tedford.

ROFL that goofy turd will fail.

Sorter 01-02-2014 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10327710)
Oh? Care to elaborate?

Holgorsen's offense (and nearly every AirRaid offense) has progressions.


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