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Crush 02-23-2009 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadaKC (Post 5519445)
from NFL draft blitz....I keep posting shit like this every day....when are all the Sanchez pimps going to wake up?

Scott Pioli and Todd Haley will not take many risks during the early part of their Chiefs’ era. Curry may be the safest pick in the entire draft, as his ceiling his “elite” and his floor is “really good”. The Chiefs need tough, physical playmakers in that front seven and Curry can provide the needed boost that defense. Curry, Derrick Johnson, Glenn Dorsey and Brandon Flowers are a nice, young nucleus on defense.


Picking the "safest" choice has done nothing this team in the last twenty years.

doomy3 02-23-2009 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Crush (Post 5519562)
Picking the "safest" choice has done nothing this team in the last twenty years.

no, but it's done plenty for the Patriots, Steelers and Ravens

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-23-2009 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigodan (Post 5519544)
For those of you that don't want either of these qbs, what does a college qb have to do for you to want to draft them? You guys seem too have insanely high standards. The problem is that the perfect qb prospect that you would want to draft won't be there next year (don't even say Sam Bradford). If such a prospect ever does appear he will have to be a consensus #1 to meet such high standards and do you really think a Pioli team is going to be picking anywhere near #1 after two years? Why not get our guy now while we're in a position too.

For those of you that say build the defense and o-line that is a blue print for the Minnesota Vikings. Pretty good defense, great o-line and running game, no qb, no playoff wins. No quarterback equals no playoff wins.

This post was so awesome, I would name my first born after it.
REP!

Reerun_KC 02-23-2009 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5519565)
no, but it's done plenty for the Patriots, Steelers and Ravens

:doh!: But were not the Patriots, Steelers and Ravens.... So how does our failures translate to their success?

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-23-2009 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5519565)
no, but it's done plenty for the Patriots, Steelers and Ravens

You have to BUILD the team first, BEFORE you can start pruning the tree as the years go by!

We don't HAVE a team! Who does not understand this? Raise your hand!

baitism 02-23-2009 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigodan (Post 5519544)
For those of you that don't want either of these qbs, what does a college qb have to do for you to want to draft them? You guys seem too have insanely high standards. The problem is that the perfect qb prospect that you would want to draft won't be there next year (don't even say Sam Bradford). If such a prospect ever does appear he will have to be a consensus #1 to meet such high standards and do you really think a Pioli team is going to be picking anywhere near #1 after two years? Why not get our guy now while we're in a position too.

For those of you that say build the defense and o-line that is a blue print for the Minnesota Vikings. Pretty good defense, great o-line and running game, no qb, no playoff wins. No quarterback equals no playoff wins.

I dunno, Trent Dilfer has a superbowl ring, and Tennessee got pretty far with Kerry freaking Collins at QB.

Crush 02-23-2009 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5519565)
no, but it's done plenty for the Patriots, Steelers and Ravens


Yeah, but the Patriots, Steelers, and (now) the Ravens all have something that the Chiefs do not. That something is a leader that can put the team on his back and lead them to victory with less than two minutes available.

When the score is 24-23 with only 0:59 to go, I can guarantee you that the team will not be looking to Aaron Curry for leadership. They will be looking at the QB in order to get them through the mess.

Brock 02-23-2009 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5519565)
no, but it's done plenty for the Patriots, Steelers and Ravens

They all have QBs.

Reerun_KC 02-23-2009 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism (Post 5519581)
I dunno, Trent Dilfer has a superbowl ring, and Tennessee got pretty far with Kerry freaking Collins at QB.

Those damn pesky 1st round QB's....

Crush 02-23-2009 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism (Post 5519581)
I dunno, Trent Dilfer has a superbowl ring, and Tennessee got pretty far with Kerry freaking Collins at QB.


Trent Dilfer was lucky to be in that situation with a monster D.

Kerry Collins was last year's incarnation of 1995 Steve Bono. I expect Collins to fall flat on his face and come back to the earth in the upcoming season.

baitism 02-23-2009 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5519589)
Those damn pesky 1st round QB's....

That was not the argument. The argument was that you needed a great QB to win playoff games. And who here would really want to waste a first round pick on a QB if they knew he was going to end up like Dilfer or Collins?

Reerun_KC 02-23-2009 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Crush (Post 5519590)
Trent Dilfer was lucky to be in that situation with a monster D.

Kerry Collins was last year's incarnation of 1995 Steve Bono. I expect Collins to fall flat on his face and come back to the earth in the upcoming season.

Collins has been up and down more that Pioli Zombies mom over his career...

Brock 02-23-2009 05:33 PM

"Tennessee got pretty far with Kerry freaking Collins"

If by getting pretty far you mean made the playoffs and promptly shit the bed, I guess so.

Reerun_KC 02-23-2009 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism (Post 5519592)
That was not the argument. The argument was that you needed a great QB to win playoff games. And who here would really want to waste a first round pick on a QB if they knew he was going to end up like Dilfer or Collins?

You can gurantee 100% fact that you know Stafford and Sanchez will end up like Dilfer or Collins? You have that much knowledge of the game to prove to everyone you can forsee the future with these two QB's?

Rigodan 02-23-2009 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism (Post 5519581)
I dunno, Trent Dilfer has a superbowl ring, and Tennessee got pretty far with Kerry freaking Collins at QB.

I posted this in another thread earlier this year:

There are a lot of really good teams that don't win a Superbowl every year. Look at the Pats last year. Possibly one of the greatest teams of all time and they lost. Look at the Steelers and Giants when they won and the Cardinals this year. Crazy stuff happens in the playoffs. For the Chiefs to win the Superbowl they're probably going to need more than one shot at it with a really good team because of the nature of the playoffs. Teams that are consistently in playoffs with good teams every year have one thing in common. They have great quaterbacks. Patriots/Brady, Colts/Manning, Steelers/Roethlisberger, Chargers/Brees/Rivers, earlier in the deacade you had Eagles/McNabb(before he couldn't decide whether to care or not).

You can also look at the great defenses this decade that didn't have franchise qbs. Baltimore and tampa bay for example. From 2003 to 2007 they finished in the top 6 in total defense every year except for Tampa Bay in 2006. Without a good quarterback those great defenses had a regular season record of 79-81, made the playoffs 4 out of 10 times and won ZERO playoff games. To repeat those defenses finished in the top 6 nine out of ten years and won 0 playoff games.

Sure we could build the defense, hope to get a qb later, and pray to god that everything falls into place like it did for Trent Dilfer. Sure it could happen, but its not likely.


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