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ChiefsCountry 03-14-2009 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 5582224)
In the history of the NFL, there is no example of a team paying two young unprovens tons of money to compete for QBOTF.

See 1989 Dallas Cowboys.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 03-14-2009 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5582226)
See 1989 Dallas Cowboys.

you're right..still don't like the idea. Im not much of a supplemental draft expert...what did they give up for Walsh?

ChiefsCountry 03-14-2009 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 5582244)
you're right..still don't like the idea. Im not much of a supplemental draft expert...what did they give up for Walsh?

#1 pick in the 1990 draft

doomy3 03-14-2009 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5582254)
#1 pick in the 1990 draft

And what did they end up getting in return for Walsh?

DaKCMan AP 03-14-2009 03:01 PM

The 49ers got their rush backer in round 1, upgraded their WR corps in round 2 and they continue to build a strong D in round 3. Walt Harris is old. This guy can come in, play nickel and then eventually take over the starting CB spot. Like former teammate Brandon Flowers, Harris ran a poor 40 at the combine but this guy has outstanding ball skills and is a gamer.

The 49ers select Victor "Macho" Harris, CB, Virginia Tech.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-14-2009 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 5582208)
Well If Cassel is any good, an unproven Sanchez will have about as much trade value as Brady Quinn. That's a really good exchange. didn't everybody rooting for the chiefs to lose have the argument that the value of a top 5 pick was too great to miss out on? Only the true fans would root for the chiefs to win and risk missing out on such talent. If Cassel sucks, then he will have no trade value and Sanchez will be thrown in. No way Sanchez comes in and starts over Cassel. Brady (not third overall) fell into the pats laps and therefore so did the bledsoe trade. 49ers had an old, legendary QB and gave up a 2nd and 4th...not the third overall....Montana was not 26. Essentially you want to use the 1st and 2nd pick on a QB....****ing reeruned...
So your biggest hope while picking 3rd overall is to have both QBs...then Cassel plays well for two years...gets hurt...Sanchez plays well....and trade Sanchez for late first/early second? That's asking a lot.

Or, if Cassel plays OK to good, and it looks like Stafford/Sanchez are PB material, since we own Cassel's rights for two years, as a RFA (due to CBA expiration), we can put a 1st and third round claim on him and get more in return for him if we don't match anyone else who signs him to an offer sheet.

So, if you give me the option of flipping Matt Cassel to some other team who will only have to pay him 2.5 million next year for a 1st and third when we paid a second for him, and I get a year to season Stafford/Sanchez, I do that 1 billion times out of 10.

But, since the Hooties of the world only think in terms of today, they'll bash the pick.

milkman 03-14-2009 03:11 PM

Didn't we have this same argument several pages ago?

JFC, it's done, let it go.

Sfeihc 03-14-2009 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 5582271)
The 49ers got their rush backer in round 1, upgraded their WR corps in round 2 and they continue to build a strong D in round 3. Walt Harris is old. This guy can come in, play nickel and then eventually take over the starting CB spot. Like former teammate Brandon Flowers, Harris ran a poor 40 at the combine but this guy has outstanding ball skills and is a gamer.

The 49ers select Victor "Macho" Harris, CB, Virginia Tech.

****er! I was hoping The Macho Man would drop to the Vikes.

Bunker, nice pick on the OT from Tulane.

ChiefsCountry 03-14-2009 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5582258)
And what did they end up getting in return for Walsh?

A 1st and couple thirds I believe.

orange 03-14-2009 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 5582244)
you're right..still don't like the idea. Im not much of a supplemental draft expert...what did they give up for Walsh?

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5582254)
#1 pick in the 1990 draft

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5582258)
And what did they end up getting in return for Walsh?

Walsh, a backup to Troy Aikman since both joined the Cowboys last year, went to New Orleans in exchange for the Saints' No. 1 and No. 3 choices in 1991 and a No. 2 selection in 1992.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5AC0A966958260

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 03-14-2009 04:10 PM

Draft pick value has sky-rocketed since then....probably thanks to JJ. not gonna get close to that value

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 03-14-2009 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5582274)
Or, if Cassel plays OK to good, and it looks like Stafford/Sanchez are PB material, since we own Cassel's rights for two years, as a RFA (due to CBA expiration), we can put a 1st and third round claim on him and get more in return for him if we don't match anyone else who signs him to an offer sheet.

So, if you give me the option of flipping Matt Cassel to some other team who will only have to pay him 2.5 million next year for a 1st and third when we paid a second for him, and I get a year to season Stafford/Sanchez, I do that 1 billion times out of 10.

But, since the Hooties of the world only think in terms of today, they'll bash the pick.

how are Sanchez/Stafford gonna look PB material while riding the bench? How is Cassel gonna get 1st and 3rd value for playing OK to good?

orange 03-14-2009 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 5582359)
Draft pick value has sky-rocketed since then....probably thanks to JJ. not gonna get close to that value

Dallas got roasted on that deal even then. Adding a year to a draft pick basically lowers its value by one round. The Cowboys gave up a 1990 1st Rounder for the equivalent of a 1990 2nd Rounder and two 4ths.

Add to that the fact that the 1st Rounder they gave up was #1 overall and the point loss was absurd.

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There's no way the Chiefs would draft Stafford/Sanchez at #3 with the intention of trading him down the line. They would take a beating no matter what.

They only draft one of those QBs with the intent that he will replace Cassel in the near future. Trading Cassel will involve much less of a hit.

bdeg 03-14-2009 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 5582362)
how are Sanchez/Stafford gonna look PB material while riding the bench? How is Cassel gonna get 1st and 3rd value for playing OK to good?

1st and 3rd is a lot, not that I'm condoning the pick but I guess you hope it works out kinda like Brees/Rivers. The starter plays well enough to warrant interest, and you see enough from practice that you believe Sanchez is the guy.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 03-14-2009 04:32 PM

Cassel will also be pushing 30 in a couple of years. Just because Hamas doesn't like Cassel and does like Stafford/Sanchez, he pulls this scenario out of his ass. The chiefs do believe in Cassel and that's why they traded for him...makes about as much of sense as Atlanta or Baltimore picking Sanchez if he slips


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