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DJ's left nut 03-28-2019 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14184224)
I wouldn’t call myself a huge Sweat fan, but I think CP is a little too low on him.

Yea the consistency isn’t quite what you want it to be when you see the combine #’s, but he still put up 30 sacks in the last 2 years in the SEC.

I like the Danielle Hunter comparison that I saw. I’d be ecstatic if we came away with him or Ferrell.

You looked at the Tackles for Loss column, not sack. He still had 22.5 in 2 seasons but that's quite a bit different than 30.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14184239)
I feel like I should like him more than I do. I don't know why I don't to be honest.

After seeing his combine numbers you'd think i'd like him more but it kind of went the other way. With those #s, why wasn't he more productive?

I mean he did have 17.5 sacks in 18 Power 5 games over his last two years. That's pretty damn productive.

But I still don't think I like him that much. For whatever reason I prefer Bryan Burns by a fair amount. Burns was even less productive but he looks more agile and more advanced on tape.

Sweat was pretty damn productive against high level competition and tested well, but he just looks stiff to me and I worry about that, especially at the cost of a trade-up. I mean if he were there at 29, sure - done. But he won't be so I have to like him a hell of a lot more than I do to justify that move.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14184247)
22.5 sacks in the last two years in the SEC is pretty ****ing productive.

Stiiiiiiill lookin' at the wrong column...

staylor26 03-28-2019 09:34 AM

DJ I already edited my post before you quoted me. The second one says 22.5 LMAO

The point still stands. He was very productive and it was against the best of the best.

DJ's left nut 03-28-2019 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14184266)
DJ I already edited my post before you quoted me. The second one says 22.5 LMAO

The point still stands. He was very productive and it was against the best of the best.

Ah, I thought you meant he had 22.5 sacks in SEC play those last 2 years. I didn't feel like figuring out exactly how many he had but since he only had 17.5 in Power 5 play, I knew he didn't have that many in the SEC.

In either event - dude was pretty productive and I don't have a great explanation as to why I don't like him. He just doesn't pop when you watch him play for whatever reason.

The Franchise 03-28-2019 09:50 AM

Wonder if Gary slides in the draft....if that's the guy we're looking to trade up for.

O.city 03-28-2019 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14184247)
22.5 sacks in the last two years in the SEC is pretty ****ing productive.

Yeah, it is but I still feel like i'd like to see more but if he was that productive with those numbers he'd be in the top 5 locked.

O.city 03-28-2019 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14184258)
You looked at the Tackles for Loss column, not sack. He still had 22.5 in 2 seasons but that's quite a bit different than 30.



I mean he did have 17.5 sacks in 18 Power 5 games over his last two years. That's pretty damn productive.

But I still don't think I like him that much. For whatever reason I prefer Bryan Burns by a fair amount. Burns was even less productive but he looks more agile and more advanced on tape.

Sweat was pretty damn productive against high level competition and tested well, but he just looks stiff to me and I worry about that, especially at the cost of a trade-up. I mean if he were there at 29, sure - done. But he won't be so I have to like him a hell of a lot more than I do to justify that move.



Stiiiiiiill lookin' at the wrong column...

See I like Burns a lot that dudes got bend for days. I think he's maybe a little more 34 OLB than DE because of his size, but I could be talked into it.

O.city 03-28-2019 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14184304)
Wonder if Gary slides in the draft....if that's the guy we're looking to trade up for.

He's definitely one that I look at and just wonder why he wasn't better in college with those measurables. Maybe i'm expecting to much.

htismaqe 03-28-2019 09:57 AM

I can tell you explicitly why I'm not big on Montez Sweat.

I live in B10 country. I only get to usually see nationally televised SEC games on NBC, which pretty much means Georgia, Alabama, or LSU every week. In other words, I only get to see the big games.

When you add in the bowl game, I actually didn't see much of Montez Sweat except during the pre-game hype. They talk about him being a beast and then the game comes on and he's invisible. I mean I'm realistic about college football - my Hawkeyes are a 2nd-tier team in the B10, which isn't even close to the SEC in terms of football.

And yet the Hawkeyes not only neutralized Montez Sweat, they made the entire Mississippi defense look slow and unathletic. A bunch of white guys took the top off of Johnathan Abram and company.

I want no part of Sweat. That's just me.

O.city 03-28-2019 09:58 AM

I really worry that the Hill investigation goes into the draft and we end up with Hollywood.

I wouldn't hate it, but damn.

htismaqe 03-28-2019 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14184322)
I really worry that the Hill investigation goes into the draft and we end up with Hollywood.

I wouldn't hate it, but damn.

The thing about Hollywood - I don't think he goes in the first round anymore.

If they took him, it would probably be later, so it might be worth it. Lis Franc injuries are no joke. I would be really surprised if he doesn't slide hard.

The Franchise 03-28-2019 10:02 AM

I don't see the need to take a WR in the 1st round if Hill is gone. This class has a metric shit ton of WRs that Andy could work with. I don't want DK and I'm not spending #29 on a WR when there are better players there.

htismaqe 03-28-2019 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14184333)
I don't see the need to take a WR in the 1st round if Hill is gone. This class has a metric shit ton of WRs that Andy could work with. I don't want DK and I'm not spending #29 on a WR when there are better players there.

I think they'd be better served to trade up in the 2nd to take Isabella than to trade up in the 1st for someone.

O.city 03-28-2019 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14184333)
I don't see the need to take a WR in the 1st round if Hill is gone. This class has a metric shit ton of WRs that Andy could work with. I don't want DK and I'm not spending #29 on a WR when there are better players there.

If Hollywood checks out, he's the best WR in the class for my money. As htis said though, lis francs are no joke.

Hill is just so unique. **** this really sucks.

RunKC 03-28-2019 10:08 AM

Hollywood Brown is 5’9” 166 lbs and has a Lis franc injury

He’s as fragile as it gets. I’d be so pissed off if we were stupid enough to draft that guy at 29.

DJ's left nut 03-28-2019 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14184345)
I think they'd be better served to trade up in the 2nd to take Isabella than to trade up in the 1st for someone.

Isabella is tiny, man.

I know a cottage industry has sprung up around the 'hey, just because he's white doesn't mean he's just a slot guy!!" narrative, but the white thing isn't the problem.

The 'being 5'9'', 190 lbs' thing is the problem.

And I get that Hill's not that much taller and he may not be heavier, but the dude is built like a tank and that's how he can take some of the really solid shot's he taken while trying to extend himself to catch balls. Isabella isn't that sturdy; he'll get broken in half.

And you just cannot overstate how dynamic Hill's speed is. Isabella is fast, no doubt, but he's not Hill. And he's not quite as quick. You can't just take someone that's a little smaller, a little slower and a little less sudden than Hill and say "eh, he's close, he'll do..."

The combination of all those things may just make him a complementary player at best. Maybe he overcomes all that but there are a lot of WRs in this draft I'd take over him.


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