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Ocotillo 03-09-2022 07:59 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I was in FL. We never offered the Int’l Draft. We did discuss it, but MLB told us they were NOT going to offer anything for it. At that point, we informed all players &amp; agreed to no draft.<br><br>This is MLB muddying the waters &amp; deflecting blame. Fans, pls hang in there with us.</p>&mdash; Max Scherzer (@Max_Scherzer) <a href="https://twitter.com/Max_Scherzer/status/1501729824125206530?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MLB and PA tonight continuing to discuss int’l draft/qualifying offer issue, per league official. MLB wants it resolved before negotiating rest of deal. League received union counter after 6pE deadline. Parties will determine number of games in season if agreement is reached.</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1501734073865322502?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It makes no sense for the season to be short-circuited by a dispute over the international draft. I get that players thought the concept came up late but it makes no sense players were so influenced to protect the awful current system by David Ortiz and others for no good reason.</p>&mdash; Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1501732635760107521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: Indeed, the sides will talk tonight about the international draft proposal iniated by Manfred Tuesday night and put forth by the union just after the 6 pm deadline. Hope exists! <a href="https://t.co/YMAzeodtqZ">https://t.co/YMAzeodtqZ</a></p>&mdash; Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1501735037888339970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ocotillo 03-09-2022 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16183138)
I bet a lot of domestic players feel the same way.

MLBPA is apparently cool with a world draft though.

The Latin players were never vocal in this MLBPA negotiation until this came up.

David Ortiz, Albert Pujols and Pedro Martinez want to make sure their Dominican youth baseball system is taken care of.

I don't know if this can be resolved over collective bargaining tonight. I think they should table the issue and move on.

KC_Connection 03-09-2022 08:05 PM

Hope exists LMAO

Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it. Although, as mentioned, if the sticking point really is an international draft for either side, that makes no sense for anyone involved.

Ocotillo 03-09-2022 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16183132)
You think the big market clubs are the ones driving this lockout?

The international draft became a big deal with the small market teams because they were taking it on the chin with the CBT and the arbitration pool and the minimum salary. They want the international draft as a means to procure top international talent even though some of the so-called cash strapped teams like the Rays (Wander Franco), Royals (Erick Pena) and Brewers (Hedbert Perez) have signed some high profile international players in recent years.

BigRedChief 03-09-2022 08:09 PM

This has all been about the richest players. I guess all the players think they are all going to get $100+ million contracts too.

jd1020 03-09-2022 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 16183167)
The Latin players were never vocal in this MLBPA negotiation until this came up.

David Ortiz, Albert Pujols and Pedro Martinez want to make sure their Dominican youth baseball system is taken care of.

I don't know if this can be resolved over collective bargaining tonight. I think they should table the issue and move on.

They were offered 2 years to think about it and get the details worked out while simultaneously giving them the elimination of the QO they wanted to keep. They said no. MLB said **** you and canceled more games. Then the MLBPA came back with some shit about a world draft and 1 year to work it out. They obviously arent that concerned about a draft for international players if they come back with a worse offer and less time to figure out the details.

TribalElder 03-09-2022 08:11 PM

Have a friend who is a long time baseball fanatic tell me today he is done with MLB

mentioned something about DH coming to national league along with some other bullshit changes ROFL

baseball can't get out of it's own way

KC_Connection 03-09-2022 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 16183173)
The international draft became a big deal with the small market teams because they were taking it on the chin with the CBT and the arbitration pool and the minimum salary. They want the international draft as a means to procure top international talent even though some of the so-called cash strapped teams like the Rays (Wander Franco), Royals (Erick Pena) and Brewers (Hedbert Perez) have signed some high profile international players in recent years.

Yes, that makes sense as the big market teams dominate international free agency. I just don't know what the ramifications of such a draft will be for the kids developing in the Dominican and other countries (although why the MLBPA would be especially concerned about that in these negotiations, I'm not sure).

DJ's left nut 03-09-2022 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 16183182)
Have a friend who is a long time baseball fanatic tell me today he is done with MLB

mentioned something about DH coming to national league along with some other bullshit changes ROFL

baseball can't get out of it's own way

I’ve been a baseball fan my whole life. Probably as informed a fan as you’ll find.

If it wasn’t for a some long term fantasy leagues I’ve been in for 25, 15 and 13 yrs respectively, I would barely even watch it anymore.

It’s just a bad product. The game is boring.

And that sucks because the talent level is absolutely ridiculous. There are so many simple fixes that could get the game back to being an action packed, exciting sport.

But inertia is crippling it.

Just give me the goddamn wheel and I’ll have it fixed by June.

DJ's left nut 03-09-2022 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16183183)
Yes, that makes sense as the big market teams dominate international free agency. I just don't know what the ramifications of such a draft will be for the kids developing in the Dominican and other countries (although why the MLBPA would be especially concerned about that in these negotiations, I'm not sure).

They aren’t.

Agents are. And have simultaneously found a pressure point they can leverage.

But yeah - all in good faith from the MLBPA.

Ocotillo 03-09-2022 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16183178)
They were offered 2 years to think about it and get the details worked out while simultaneously giving them the elimination of the QO they wanted to keep. They said no. MLB said **** you and canceled more games. Then the MLBPA came back with some shit about a world draft and 1 year to work it out. They obviously arent that concerned about a draft for international players if they come back with a worse offer and less time to figure out the details.

The international draft has been discussed in collective bargaining going back to the 1990s, so it's definitely not a secret. Owners have been proposing it in all of their offers. That's true.

I think the MLBPA did a poor job of communicating this to its constituents, especially the Latin players. Once the Latin players got wind of it, the union was stuck in the mud.

On the flip side, the small market owners agreed to up go in CBT and arbitration pool with the knowledge that they would be getting an international draft. Now that the MLBPA has soured on it, they're having cold feet about going through with this deal.

Jerm 03-09-2022 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16183185)
I’ve been a baseball fan my whole life. Probably as informed a fan as you’ll find.

If it wasn’t for a some long term fantasy leagues I’ve been in for 25, 15 and 13 yrs respectively, I would barely even watch it anymore.

It’s just a bad product. The game is boring.

And that sucks because the talent level is absolutely ridiculous. There are so many simple fixes that could get the game back to being an action packed, exciting sport.

But inertia is crippling it.

Just give me the goddamn wheel and I’ll have it fixed by June.

I’m curious as to what your ideas are and I’m not even trolling because I 100% agree with you…

I go back and watch random 90s highlights/games on YouTube and that’s the baseball I miss….not even talking about the roid era. Pitchers that could actually PITCH and work a count, zone, and had more than a fastball and slider. Basesteali g, defense, guys hitting for average, strategy, all along with your power guys, etc.

Not to mention how many teams, lineups, superstars, and even managers were recognizable and known…

Jerm 03-09-2022 08:55 PM

Oh and analytics have killed what’s great about the game too….

suzzer99 03-09-2022 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16183191)
They aren’t.

Agents are. And have simultaneously found a pressure point they can leverage.

But yeah - all in good faith from the MLBPA.

And the national baseball writers are basically the equivalent of Russian state media these days, in lockstep with the players, always sticking to the script, refusing to even mention cap/floor. I’m really really sick of those guys. They’re doing as much to destroy the game they love as anyone else.

KChiefs1 03-09-2022 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16183185)
I’ve been a baseball fan my whole life. Probably as informed a fan as you’ll find.

If it wasn’t for a some long term fantasy leagues I’ve been in for 25, 15 and 13 yrs respectively, I would barely even watch it anymore.

It’s just a bad product. The game is boring.

And that sucks because the talent level is absolutely ridiculous. There are so many simple fixes that could get the game back to being an action packed, exciting sport.

But inertia is crippling it.

Just give me the goddamn wheel and I’ll have it fixed by June.


That’s the problem…no one is at the wheel & it’s heading for a cliff about ready to do a Thelma & Louise.

MLB/MLBPA are killing the game.


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