Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 8576172)

Who did we draft beSides Poe?

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8576161)

Besides safety and maybe depth at linebacker, where are these "gaping holes"?

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8576167)

people bitching about poe are bitching about the fact that he did literally nothing in college and is a complete workout warrior taken at #11....that is the truth, you kissing pioli's ass doesn't change it

but you ****ing sunshine pumpers can't stand that someone has an opinion that contradicts Pioli's....why? i have no ****ing clue, but you guys show up like clockwork to simply clap loudly no matter what we do

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8576194)

Maybe LB?

We have nothing behind our 4 starters. Nothing.

Safety is a given.

CB isn't nearly the strength it used to be.

We have two glass vaginas at TE.

We're super-thin at RB, not knowing how JC will bounce back.

Face it, we really don't have depth at any position beside WR - and even that is thin if we're seriously thinking of letting Bowe walk.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8576194)

Maybe LB?

We have nothing behind our 4 starters. Nothing.

Originally Posted by KevB (Post 8576226)

Siler should be decent depth inside and perhaps they're expecting Sheffied to bounce back this season?

I'm with you on needing safety/RB/TE depth.

Let's not forget, this isn't our last chance to add depth. There will be vets available between now and the beginning of the season.

Originally Posted by CJizzles (Post 8576227)

The big question regarding this draft is:


How is our punter and kicker depth??

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8576167)

people bitching about poe are bitching about the fact that he did literally nothing in college and is a complete workout warrior taken at #11....that is the truth, you kissing pioli's ass doesn't change it

but you ****ing sunshine pumpers can't stand that someone has an opinion that contradicts Pioli's....why? i have no ****ing clue, but you guys show up like clockwork to simply clap loudly no matter what we do

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 8576222)

Who cares? It doesn't matter. The draft is a crap shoot. That dude Poe will either be good or he won't.

just look at BJ Raji. One year he's good, one year he sucks. You guys spend way too much time worrying about this shit.

Originally Posted by KevB (Post 8576243)

And Titus won't be happy if we don't take a fullback at some point.

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8576240)

I must be missing all these teams that are stocked deep at every position with super stud reserves.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8576253)

People are bitching for the sake of bitching. You were going off on a tirade about drafting Poe because... for some weird reason, this had something to do with the Chiefs' inability to get a QB. Don't be ridiculous. And the same people bitching about drafting a boom/bust pick like Poe are the same people bitching that we're playing it safe with other picks like depth o-linemen.

I've been as critical of anybody of Pioli not drafting a QB. I've openly said I thought Romeo and Daboll were moronic hires. I was Pioli's biggest critic for firing Haley and "Gumgate." I think Pioli is a solid GM whose arrogance has kept him from making the most crucial moves that would fix the franchise. I think it's comical that anyone who irrationally slams the Poe pick is an ass-kisser.

I'm pointing out some critical flaws that are extremely, extremely coachable. And I'm saying given his physical talents, it's worth seeing if changing those things change the player. It's no small deal that he plays with his pads low and is horrendous using his hands. You do realize that the Nose Tackle position is almost entirely about leverage and the ability to use your arms/hands to disengage blockers, right? You asked why he sucked and that's a very possible, strong explanation for it.

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 8576160)

uh oh Gruden just called the Chiefs his sleeper team this year.

Originally Posted by Satanic Goat (Post 8576282)

He called Cassel "a winner"

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8576194)

Maybe LB?

We have nothing behind our 4 starters. Nothing.

Safety is a given.

CB isn't nearly the strength it used to be.

We have two glass vaginas at TE.

We're super-thin at RB, not knowing how JC will bounce back.

Face it, we really don't have depth at any position beside WR - and even that is thin if we're seriously thinking of letting Bowe walk.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8576253)

People are bitching for the sake of bitching. You were going off on a tirade about drafting Poe because... for some weird reason, this had something to do with the Chiefs' inability to get a QB. Don't be ridiculous. And the same people bitching about drafting a boom/bust pick like Poe are the same people bitching that we're playing it safe with other picks like depth o-linemen.

I've been as critical of anybody of Pioli not drafting a QB. I've openly said I thought Romeo and Daboll were moronic hires. I was Pioli's biggest critic for firing Haley and "Gumgate." I think Pioli is a solid GM whose arrogance has kept him from making the most crucial moves that would fix the franchise. I think it's comical that anyone who irrationally slams the Poe pick is an ass-kisser.

I'm pointing out some critical flaws that are extremely, extremely coachable. And I'm saying given his physical talents, it's worth seeing if changing those things change the player. It's no small deal that he plays with his pads low and is horrendous using his hands. You do realize that the Nose Tackle position is almost entirely about leverage and the ability to use your arms/hands to disengage blockers, right? You asked why he sucked and that's a very possible, strong explanation for it.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8576281)

The problem is a disconnect.

You can not begin to grasp the argument about QB he presented as it relates to Poe.

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 8576231)

I forgot about Sheffield

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8576343)

I can't grasp it because it's an absolutely reeruned argument.

The Chiefs haven't taken a risk on a QB. Agreed. They also haven't taken a risk on a Nose Tackle. Guess what? They did. And now we're bitching about it. And it's not because we passed up taking a risk on a QB. There was no QB we should have taken given what it would have taken to get one.

Talking can is pissed about the Poe pick and he's trying to bait people into where he is because he's pissed about the QB decision and he knows that bitching about Cassel is a convenient way to throw the bait. And then he's acting like people who support the pick are somehow also supportive of the QB decision. They're two completely separate arguments. I'm okay with the Nose Tackle pick and pissed at the way they've handled the QB situation the last 4 years.

Originally Posted by chop (Post 8576361)

I still haven't seen Gabe Miller play yet. I'm not sure how he is going to do with the switch to LB.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8576343)

I can't grasp it because it's an absolutely reeruned argument.

The Chiefs haven't taken a risk on a QB. Agreed. They also haven't taken a risk on a Nose Tackle. Guess what? They did. And now we're bitching about it. And it's not because we passed up taking a risk on a QB. There was no QB we should have taken given what it would have taken to get one.

Talking can is pissed about the Poe pick and he's trying to bait people into where he is because he's pissed about the QB decision and he knows that bitching about Cassel is a convenient way to throw the bait. And then he's acting like people who support the pick are somehow also supportive of the QB decision. They're two completely separate arguments. I'm okay with the Nose Tackle pick and pissed at the way they've handled the QB situation the last 4 years.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8576305)

pointing out that poe did nothing in college and is a workout warrior is simply pointing out a fact

but you can't deal with that fact...hence you whine and cry about various strawmen

and if you can't understand my simple explanation about the hypocrisy of 'it's too risky!!' fanbois claiming to love a risky pick like poe at #11, then you're just dense..

drafting a QB is risky, can't do it ever
drafting a player who did literally nothing in college at #11 is not risky...it's bold and smart

this what you sunshine pumpers believe

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 8576303)

We need all the stuff we drafted, but damn it's boring as shit to watch.

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 8576385)

This. 3 pretty good picks really. But just not flashy at all. But if they all do thier jobs, we already have the flash on our team... especcially if Stanzi pans out.

Boring this year. But at least next year we shouldn't have to see mock draft after mock draft trying to project a T to us in the 1st round.

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 8576385)

This. 3 pretty good picks really. But just not flashy at all. But if they all do thier jobs, we already have the flash on our team... especcially if Stanzi pans out.

Boring this year. But at least next year we shouldn't have to see mock draft after mock draft trying to project a T to us in the 1st round.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8576398)

And, btw, TC's argument wasn't about QB vs. Poe.

It was that people that like the Poe can shut the **** up now about taking a risk on QB because Poe is a huge risk pick.

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 8576385)

This. 3 pretty good picks really. But just not flashy at all. But if they all do thier jobs, we already have the flash on our team... especcially if Stanzi pans out.

Boring this year. But at least next year we shouldn't have to see mock draft after mock draft trying to project a T to us in the 1st round.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8576379)

To move up and take a risk on Tannehill would have cost the Chiefs, at worst, Poe and Allen.

I would gladly have taken that risk.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8576398)

And, btw, TC's argument wasn't about QB vs. Poe.

It was that people that like the Poe can shut the **** up now about taking a risk on QB because Poe is a huge risk pick.

Originally Posted by morphius (Post 8576414)

The argument is flawed, a failed first round QB will set a team back further than a miss at any other position.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8576398)

And, btw, TC's argument wasn't about QB vs. Poe.

It was that people that like the Poe can shut the **** up now about taking a risk on QB because Poe is a huge risk pick.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8576398)

And, btw, TC's argument wasn't about QB vs. Poe.

It was that people that like the Poe can shut the **** up now about taking a risk on QB because Poe is a huge risk pick.

Originally Posted by morphius (Post 8576414)

The argument is flawed, a failed first round QB will set a team back further than a miss at any other position.

Originally Posted by morphius (Post 8576414)

The argument is flawed, a failed first round QB will set a team back further than a miss at any other position.

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 8576403)

:thumb:

Poe and Tannehill are pretty much the same thing on the most important position on either side of the ball. I would have preferred the risk at QB, but I don't get paid $5,000,000/yr to make that call.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8576430)

That was true before this new CBA.

Not any longer.

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 8576433)

this team been set back 42 years. lol What else can happen 45?

Originally Posted by 3 4 (Post 8576442)

Please explain what Wash traded for RG3, if the CBA doesn;rmatter now.

Originally Posted by morphius (Post 8576449)

If I had seen anything outside of athletic out of Tannehill I would have been all for picking him. But there really wasn't anything I saw out of his play that would make me want him on my team.

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 8576452)

Tannehill doesnt even MATTER anymore, we didnt pass on him, he wasnt there when we picked. In the end we still have Matt ****ing Cassel.

Im to the point where, I'd rather give Brady Quinn a shot over Matt Cassel. I freaking despise him, big time as a qb for the Chiefs. Like almost Raider hate.

Originally Posted by morphius (Post 8576457)

Oh, I'm with you there, though I rather skip to Stanzi.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8576420)

TC absolutely hates the Poe pick and it's because of his lack of performance on the college field. He hasn't hid that at all. He's been the most critical of the pick all day. Even saying the Chiefs made the pick purely to fill a need. Never suggesting that maybe they took a risk because they wanted to take a chance on a guy who could fill an important position, instead of laying up on a Guard. There is no way you can suggest that he's just being sarcastic.

And that's absolutely hypocritical if he's going to rail the Chiefs for taking a risk on a nose tackle, when he's at the same time promoting that the Chiefs need to take a risk on a QB. It's a convenient way to bait people into hating the Poe pick.

Originally Posted by Sannyasi (Post 8576427)

Minus a few trolls, everyone on this board wants us to draft a QB. This isn't 2009.

Originally Posted by morphius (Post 8576440)

I don't believe it has changed. Yes they are cheaper, but teams will still give them longer at the position to try to learn it because the GM often gets tied to the pick. And you can only cover up their play so much because they touch the ball on every single offensive play.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8576466)

And yet, every QB we have any shot at drafting is not worth the risk to almost everyone on this forum.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8576496)

It depends on how you define risk.

Is "risk" talking about desperately settling for a QB because he's safe, even if he doesn't have tremendous upside? To me, risk is gambling to trade up aggressively for the right QB--I think the Chiefs should have tried and I'm disappointed that they didn't, but in the end, the compensation was WAY too high if the Chiefs wanted to match. To me, risk is gambling on a QB with tremendous skill sets that lead you to believe he could be a franchise QB, even if he has some major flaw in the game that gives him major downside risk.

Tannehill doesn't feel that way whatsoever. People want to say we'd be taking a chance on a QB, but deep inside, we know he feels more safe than risky. Nobody really think he's going to suck. But we think there's a good likelihood he'll be better than Cassel. Yet, there doesn't seem to be many people here that have the thought in the back of his mind that this kid has a chance to be something special. More like the kid has a good chance of not sucking.

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 8576225)

Siler and Studebaker aren't awful depth. Hillis is a good running back with some mcnugget mixed in

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8576569)

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8576653)

Alright, it's past midnight, and I'm a bit drunk. So I may just be slipping into homer mode.

But at best, we might have landed a full time nose, a full time left guard, and a new left tackle. In three ****ing picks, that's outstanding.

The worst case scenario while remaining reasonable: we get a huge, athletic defensive end to replace Dorsey, a full time left guard, and an effective swing tackle.

That could be an effective draft.

I could be happy with it.

Hard to say, though.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8576509)

That all has the sound of pure utter bullshit to me.

But then that's how all your bullshit arguments ever are.

I've said a number of times that I like Tannehill's upside more than I like Barkley's.

I think the kid has the tools to be special, from arm strength, to athletic ability, to intelligenc.

You just keep making long winded bullshit arguments, because you're trying bait everyone into thinking just like you.

You're a bullshit artist.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8576666)

I don't mind the picks.

They aren't the picks I would have made, but all three seem to have very very high ceilings.

Our offensive line went from not having any depth to being deep and talented across the board...while also being extremely young with seemingly unlimited potential.

If we get a safety, inside linebacker and another end that can play, all we need is for Cassel to get killed in a car accident and we are going to some really big games with this squad.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 8576715)

Something tells me I'm not going to be awake at 9 when it kicks off again.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 8576715)

Something tells me I'm not going to be awake at 9 when it kicks off again.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8576666)

If we get a safety, inside linebacker and another end that can play, all we need is for Cassel to get killed in a car accident and we are going to some really big games with this squad.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 8576715)

Something tells me I'm not going to be awake at 9 when it kicks off again.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8576653)

Alright, it's past midnight, and I'm a bit drunk. So I may just be slipping into homer mode.

But at best, we might have landed a full time nose, a full time left guard, and a new left tackle. In three ****ing picks, that's outstanding.

The worst case scenario while remaining reasonable: we get a huge, athletic defensive end to replace Dorsey, a full time left guard, and an effective swing tackle.

That could be an effective draft.

I could be happy with it.

Hard to say, though.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8576702)

You and Boss have been touting that he can be special but that's not everybody's sentiment. Most people are endorsing Tannehill because we need to take a chance on a first round QB and because he's not Cassel. No mention of whether he can be special. It's not risk averse if there are some, like myself, who want to be aggressive about getting a QB... only if it's the right QB. To me, it's risk averse that so many people want to take a QB simply because he's there, not because they're excited about him.

And that's why I'm okay with the Poe pick. That's a risky pick if there ever was one. I think most people agree that this is a pure boom/bust pick. He's probably going to either play extremely well or he's going to crash really badly. The Tannehill pick... yes, my personal opinion that Tannehill in relation to NFL QBs has an average skill set --his floor isn't bad, but his ceiling isn't impressive. Just a personal opinion. I'm not risk averse. I'm picky.

Either way, talking can's insistence that Poe was a needs based pick and not one made on a risky dare... just silly. Claiming those who support the Poe pick because it was risky are Pioli shills, then saying those who don't support risky moves for QBs are Pioli shills... contradictory.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8576779)

poe was absolutely a need pick....jesus christ, they don't draft him otherwise

but that fact doesn't even matter

we can take risks....for a NT...and people celebrate and rationalize it

but we can't takes risks....for a QB that is 10000000000000x more important than NT

and pioli is a genious for both, amazingly

i don't ever want to hear the word 'risky' coming from this board's sad ass true fans as a pejorative after we just drafted a guy who produced nothing in college...nothing

don't want to hear that QB X is 'risky' because he only played 2 years, or is only awesome and not super awesome, or is 'raw'...lol....Poe is less developed, less accomplished, less coached, more raw than anyone we've ever hoped to draft at QB...by a god damn mile

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 8573638)

This won't be a popular comment, but I see Tannehill as the QB equivalent of Poe. I think I'd have felt exactly the same way had he been picked at 11. Wouldn't have been excited, wouldn't have been disappointed, it would have amounted to taking a big gamble on a major position of need, that's either going to boom gloriously or bust biblically, and I got no idea which way it's going to go.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8576653)

Alright, it's past midnight, and I'm a bit drunk. So I may just be slipping into homer mode.

But at best, we might have landed a full time nose, a full time left guard, and a new left tackle. In three ****ing picks, that's outstanding.

The worst case scenario while remaining reasonable: we get a huge, athletic defensive end to replace Dorsey, a full time left guard, and an effective swing tackle.

That could be an effective draft.

I could be happy with it.

Hard to say, though.