Or maybe, as is so often the case, maybe they quit working as hard after they get paid.

2 for 1? Yeah that is a hot take.

Right now he's stealing a paycheck, pick it the **** up Frank.

Ah, Clark caused both of those INTs getting in Brady's face. The second 'roughing the passer' penalty was unacceptable though.

He's paid to show up for both regular seasons and playoffs.

What player on defense has played up to their large contract? Bc it sure ain’t Hitchens, Clark, Jones or Matheiu.

They gave us a SB tho so it’s hard to bitch about it too much

You think we should trade kpass and willie gay for tj watt?

He did okay with pressure until the helmet hits today.

Called him dee clark when it happened.

We’d better be or he’s going to be in the unemployment line come June 1 looking for a new team.

He’s been awful this year, but all will be forgiven if he balls out in the playoffs.


If he doesn’t, then they need to kick him to the curb and be done with that contract. Don’t make the Justin Houston mistake and hold on to him too long due to the contract.

I've noticed that earlier in the year, the defense was struggling against the run but doing well pressuring the QB.

For the past month or so, the run defense has been pretty good while we're essentially getting no pressure on the QB (without blitzing).

I wonder what's changed..

They can't cut him this year. $37.85M in dead cap. The soonest they can do it is after 2021.

Can't do that. They'll incur a $37,850,000 dead money by doing that after this season. He's here until at least after 2021 season.

Edit: See htis's post above mine.

him and jones have both been shit this year. do they even have 10 sacks combined?

Not even if they designate him a post June 1st cut?

If he is doing so great we wouldn't be blitzing so much. Seemed every damn play we were blitzing. Good thing Brady is 80-years old and about as mobile as a statue otherwise we'd probably got lit up.

D did good overall though but I don't think Clark did anything great this game.

He hasn't had a good year, so far.


Just you wait.

I'm not so sure about that, but if you're right the rest of the players should let coach Spags know they're going to work that same strategery..

Hitchens has played pretty decent all year.

If he starts being dominant in the playoffs I'm pretty sure I'll say, "It's about time, he owes us..."

If he gets a key play in to win a playoff game, all will be forgiven.

Spags uses a ton of blitz packages regardless.

That's not to say the defensive line is getting it done but Spags doesn't blitz just because he feels like he has to. It's part of his scheme, regardless of the effectiveness of the line.

Jones is constantly double teamed. I cut him a little slack. I didn't hear a peep about Wharton or Pennel today. Or Nnadi for that matter. And outside of Hitchens the Lb's were AWOL.

Those blitz packages and pressure worked a lot better when the Giants had Strahan, Umenyiora, and Tuck instead of Frank ****ing Clark.

One of the best pressures of the game was with Wharton, Danna, and Jones on the line. I think Okafor got his sack on that play.

Post June 1 2021 cut:
2021 Dead Cap: $24,950,000
2022 Dead Cap: $12,900,000
2021 Cap Savings: $850,000

So you're really gaining $850,000 for that, while taking a near $25 mil loss for 2021 and near $13 mil loss for 2022.

Not worth the cost in 2021.

Now post June 1 cut for 2022 tells a different story:
2022 Dead Cap: $6,450,000
2023 Dead Cap: $6,450,000
2022 Cap Savings: $19,850,000

This is very likely scenario.

Shit.

Well, looks like we’re stuck with him thru all of 2021 at a minimum.

Like I said before, he better ball out in the playoffs. If he does that, all will be forgiven. However, if he continues to be non-effective, he’s likely to start getting the Berry/Houston treatment from the fanbase.

Pretty clear DE has to be priority #1 in the draft next year. Hopefully a rookie DE can step in and help provide a pass rush, because it's apparently too much to expect top 5 contracts at DT & DE to contribute at a level relative to their salary. Chris Jones for the most part has done so, but he's the only one doing anything on the DL and can be gameplanned around with nobody else doing anything.

And rightfully so.

The only reason he's getting a pass from fans right now is because he exploded in the playoffs last year.

It's literally the only reason people are cutting him slack because they hope he can do it again.

If he doesn't show up in the playoffs, he's really not contributing, let alone contributing at a level commensurate with his contract.

They need a steady presence opposite Clark.

That doesn't excuse Clark's play by any means but the other DE spot is a turnstile.

If he doesn't show up in the playoffs this board will be commentruating all over the place.

Watch him ball out next year.

Yeah, the fact that they can slide protection without second thought really stinks. A Carlos Dunlap-like pickup would be welcomed.

Just ball out again in the playoffs. That's all I really care about at this point.

You guys are miserable lol

I would trade Frank Clark for one of them Bosa boys.

Hot take there, genius.

Yep he actually put some pressure on Brady then he ruined it with dump penalties.

The Refs must have got the memo from the league no more downward chops on helmet and facemask of QB. Hell Andy might have written league because teams were feasting on Pat a few times every game.

Kpass having no pass rush really hurts, basically just need to draft a guy and look for a vet that wants to win so he'll play for less.

I was obv clowning Mahi Mike.

The rule, I believe, is that a defender can't make contact with the QB's head/neck area, period. Which makes the second one just a head-scratcher because Frank literally grabbed Brady's throat area. And Frank doesn't do stupid stuff like that. We've seen him contort himself at times just to avoid making any contact with a QB once the ball is gone so he won't draw a flag. So why did he do it there? Puzzling.

I assume something Brady said on the one before pissed off Frank. Along with a whole lot of frustration.

Frank has sucked shit, but definitely not Chris Jones https://64.media.tumblr.com/f859f92b...70ceb88aa9.pnj

Nnadi showing up on the run stop win rate Top 10

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If I had to choose the top priority for this team in the draft, it would be an edge rusher.

Yeah, we need offensive lineman and linebackers (and I really want a high quality CB) but we desperately need an effective edge rusher. Our inability to sack the QB is becoming very frustrating, especially because the last couple of games we aren't even getting sacks when we blitz.

An elite edge rusher can help mask our issues on the back end of the defense.

Clark racked up sacks in the playoffs, and will always be a Legend in Chiefs Kingdom, but he isn't very effective rushing off the edge.



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He had a historic postseason closing out every game with a critical sack and finishing with a legendary NFL tying record of 5 postseason sacks in a postseason run.

He’s not playing well this year but it’s always funny hearing people bring up his contract. He earned every bit of that contract for being a vital part of giving us a SB for the first time in our lives.

This isn’t Haglunds or Houston.

Not sure what he has done to earn a "legend" title.
Even some of the scrubbiest of scrubs have had a couple good games.

Clark will be a Legend because he racked up 5 sacks in 3 playoff games, and essentially closed out every win with a sack.

He will be a Legend because he boasted about how easy it was to tackle the beast Derrick Henry, who was crushing rushing records in the playoffs, and he backed up his trash talk by helping us shut Henry down.

He will be a Legend because he was one of the major reasons why we won the SB after a 50 year drought.

Just like playoff, big game Dame will always be a Legend in Chiefs Kingdom.

Legend is different from being One of the Greatest.

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:facepalm:

The guy only had one of the best postseasons by a pass rusher in NFL history which helped lead to a SB victory.

Do we win the SB without him?

Both of those penalties were dumb. BAD penalties. Hes not swatting at the ball, just hits him in the head. You'd think he was paid off.

I think so

Idiot.

I'm not sure we go 12-4 last season and earn the bye without Clark. Remember, he was the guy that generated the pressure on Brady that forced Tom to throw that last ditch pass towards Edelman in the EZ kind of falling/turning away so that it was just a bit short and kind of a duck, allowing Breeland to make that acrobatic stab at it and knock it away to secure the win.

He was also the guy that generated the pressure on Rivers at the end of the Mexico game, that again forced Rivers to throw early and allowed DD to make the pick.

Think he had another pressure in another game that affected the throw forcing a pick/turnover on downs. maybe it was the second game against the Chargers.

He also stripsacked a QB that became an INT on the scoresheet for Nnadi that turned into points for us in one of those games. I'm not even sure that Frank was awarded any kind of stat for that play. But it should've gone down as a strip-sack.

Without Clark we may well have gone just 11-5 or 10-6 last season.

That's great. I love that he did that. But he's paid to do some of that in the regular season too. I don't see mahomes, tyreek and kelce taking the regular season off just because they can turn it on in the post season even though they got big contracts too.

You couldnt run Hardman off so you've moved onto Clark lol

Point to some plays that Frank Clark made that won us a SB.

Huh? Check my history. I was talking about Clark when he was playing shitty last year. When a player is playing shitty, I comment on it. When they play well, I comment on it.

Do you think he's playing well right now?

Let me guess? I dOnT cAre AboUt ReGulAr SeaSoN.

And if you think that he's going to turn it up and play up to expectations in the post season, what do you think the deal is right now? He's not trying?

I liked his attitude and his stats in the post season last year, but I don't remember a play he made that really was a game changer. Ended the games with a sack isnt really all that clutch considering we were up double digits and even if he doesn't make the sack we still win.

Do the Giants win one of their SBs without David Tyree?

Is David Tyree a great player?

No, Clark doesn't suck at his position like David Tyree did at his. But he's still playing poorly.

He has not been a very good starting DE this season.

Did Frank Clark have a bet on the Bucs yesterday?

He sure seemed like he was trying hard to win it for good 'ol Tom.

It has to be injury or SB hangover.

It just doesn't make any sense.

I honestly believe Frank took offense to the Bucs backlash on the hit to Mahomes head. Went insane and made the decision to hit Brady in his dome any chance he got. The guy is a nutjob.

Well him and Jones got us one SuperBowl, maybe we can hold out hope that Mahomes can carry us through their mistakes/lack of production.

I'm sure the Chiefs were hoping for just one Super Bowl when they traded for and paid Clark

Well, if you're gonna do that shit on purpose, make it a good one.

He could have knocked his block off a little harder

How about Sammy? That guy doesn’t even play more than 6 regular season games a year and he was paid a ton of money.

It’s always funny to hear people avoid him when bringing up Frank.

Frank does need to start making some plays. He has been nonexistent for a good stretch now and he made a couple of boneheaded penalties yesterday. The pass rush in general has been nonexistent and that shit needs to change. I do think Spags and the boys will figure it out but that shit is frustrating as hell

I suppose the term "Legend" just has a different meaning to me I suppose.


Is Christian Colon a KC legend? After all, he contributed to a World Series win...

To me Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson are more "Legend" and they didn't win shit.
Mahomes and Hill will be remembered forever... but if Frank Clark keeps playing the way he currently is, nobody is going to be talking about him in 20 years. Not very Legendary.


But it's okay, you can have your opinion... and facepalm.

His contract is up after this season. Clark is making over $25 million each of the next 3 years.

They both need to do better.

Frank is available but playing like garbage. He is seriously indistinguishable from the revolving door of JAGs we've got at the opposite DE spot.. and Sammy takes this offense from one of the best in the league to one of the best of all-time but he's never available.

We're paying these guys too much to just show up or only give us 8 or 9 games a season.

He's also a part of the "It's okay, they'll show up in the playoffs when it counts" gang.

We don't know if they'll show up in the playoffs. Clark has only had one year of doing that. Watkins had good playoff games both in 2018 and 2019, but whoop de damn doo.

At least Chris Jones has a track record of making big plays and showing up throughout the entire duration of the season. That's why he's further down the shit list than these other guys. Hell, for me he's not even on my shit list, but that's a different story.

Sammy doesn’t even break the top 25 salaries Frank is top 10. Apples to oranges.

Sammy & Frank will both be gone at some point in the near future. Mahomes' cap hit is only $5-6M this year, and it's covering up for the lack of production by a number of overpaid players on this team. That's only a temporary situation though.

The point is that even if they do turn on the jets eventually, we can't keep banking on 3 of the highest paid players on the team to play like crap in the regular season and then all of a sudden start playing well. No, Sammy isn't top 10 in team salaries, but we still kept him around and moved shit. We could have spent that money elsewhere.

If Clark sucks, we don't have many legit options for pass rush left except for random blitzers and Chris Jones. Wharton and Danna are rotation guys and aren't there yet. If we don't have a pass rush, that makes the job more difficult for everybody else on defense. When that happens, the chemistry isn't as good. There's less of a track record for success that the defense can rely on. Even the good players will occasionally slightly hesitate on the field. It also puts more pressure on our offense.

"But the games won't matter until late in the season and into the playoffs..."

Anything can happen in an NFL game. Anything. Just because it's a regular season game doesn't mean we don't need our stars to play well. Because we totally do.

You just compared a seldom used player for a baseball team to a guy who had a historic franchise post season.

How many of his sacks were truly great plays, and how many were coverage sacks where he just didn't give up? Kudos to him for the effort, but let's not act like he's anywhere close to the talent level of someone who should get paid what he's making. If he was making $15 million a year I don't think anyone would have a problem with him. But he's making more than anyone else on the roster right now and not producing. That's a problem.

Shows you how "Legendary" I think Frank Clark is... lol.

I hope I'm wrong, and he just turns it on in the post-season for years to come, we will see.

It almost seems like the NFL is channeling the NBA. Guys taking games off while playing, tons of flags thrown late in the game, etc.

Let's just hope Jones and Clark are time managing themselves, waiting for the playoffs.

And here's the thing... I'd probably not notice and perhaps not even care if Frank Clark were at least dominating the crappy OLs and LTs he faces. I'd probably say, "What of it? Von Miller is elite until he has to go up against Mitchell Schwartz x2 per year, then he mysteriously disappears. It happens."

But he's not even doing that.

Any stand out plays. Doesn't have to be sacks. Sacks are nice, but a few TFLs in a game, or a bunch of pressures (that's what Chris Jones has been doing this year).