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DJ's left nut 11-11-2021 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by cmh6476 (Post 15948532)
so is he the bellcow this week?
I don't think he's practicing yet. He was designated to return, but I haven't seen him on the roster yet (that's why he's not on injury reports).

Without a full week of practice, Andy usually won't play guys.

I would be surprised if he plays much at all this week.

The Franchise 11-11-2021 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15948583)
I don't think he's practicing yet. He was designated to return, but I haven't seen him on the roster yet (that's why he's not on injury reports).

Without a full week of practice, Andy usually won't play guys.

I would be surprised if he plays much at all this week.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t come back until after the bye week.

cmh6476 11-11-2021 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15948583)
I don't think he's practicing yet. He was designated to return, but I haven't seen him on the roster yet (that's why he's not on injury reports).

Without a full week of practice, Andy usually won't play guys.

I would be surprised if he plays much at all this week.
They reported he and Kyle long were out practicing yesterday, and CEH has been designated for return.

cmh6476 11-11-2021 11:00 AM
https://twitter.com/TheChiefsWire/st...cYBOqJd8Q&s=19

cmh6476 11-11-2021 11:02 AM
https://twitter.com/McKenzieMNelson/...5DcnBzr0A&s=09

DJ's left nut 11-11-2021 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by cmh6476 (Post 15948632)
As far as I know, there's no 'suggesting' to it. I believe it's hit the wire that he was designated to return.

But that gives them 3 weeks to actually pull him off the IR. It doesn't mean they've done it yet or will do it imminently. I would be surprised if they do.

tredadda 11-11-2021 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15948509)
The worst runs come from under center because everyone in the stadium knows we're about to run the ball.

It's not a good thing for us to do, as we might as well just tell the defense what's coming before the snap.
Makes me think of the old Tecmo Bowl games when the defense called the right play and they all crashed the line and sack the QB before he had a chance to hand off or pass.

cmh6476 11-11-2021 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15948638)
As far as I know, there's no 'suggesting' to it. I believe it's hit the wire that he was designated to return.

But that gives them 3 weeks to actually pull him off the IR. It doesn't mean they've done it yet or will do it imminently. I would be surprised if they do.
He looks decent moving around in that video on the Twitter link

cmh6476 11-11-2021 02:05 PM
here is the embed:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>: Clyde Edwards-Helaire returned to practice today. He’s been on the IR since October 12 after straining his MCL during Week 4 against Buffalo. <a href="https://t.co/mDY3XUTSJQ">pic.twitter.com/mDY3XUTSJQ</a></p>&mdash; McKenzie Nelson (@McKenzieMNelson) <a href="https://twitter.com/McKenzieMNelson/status/1458561001264144385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

ThyKingdomCome15 11-11-2021 03:58 PM
That stat that showed how many points the Chiefs score with and without Clyde is very interesting. Ten point difference per game.

InChiefsHeaven 11-11-2021 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 15949120)
That stat that showed how many points the Chiefs score with and without Clyde is very interesting. Ten point difference per game.
Hard to believe he makes that much of a difference though...I dunno, that's interesting.

-King- 11-11-2021 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 15949120)
That stat that showed how many points the Chiefs score with and without Clyde is very interesting. Ten point difference per game.
Its intellectual dishonesty at it's very best.

The reason for less points scored is because of Mahomes issues, not anything to do with missing CEH.

The Chiefs averaged 30+ without Tyreek in 2019. Using this logic, CEH is more important than Tyreek because we dipped 10 points without CEH and really didn't dip at all without Tyreek.

Marcellus 11-11-2021 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15948528)
There were three critical plays not made by runningbacks on Sunday that probably get made by CEH.

The 3rd and 2 pass to McKinnon where he got isolated 1v1 against a CB. If he makes the CB miss, he goes for 25 yards (the playcall was good - there was NOBODY behind him). Even if he squares his shoulders and gets low, he plows forward for 5 yards and a first. Instead McKinnon got his feet knocked out from under him and went straight down. CEH is shifty - I'm not sure he gets the clean miss for 25 but he absolutely gets down and drives forward for a 1st down at about the 50 yard line.

The 3rd and 1 run from Gore was just AWFUL. They had an easy 1st down there if he just follows his pulling G (Thuney). Instead he bounced left, into the teeth of the defense and the extra man that opened up by Thuney's pull. Stuffed at about the 50, punt.

And the throw to Williams near the goal-line. I was floored he didn't get that angle but he's just soooooo slooooooow. That was a walk-in TD for a genuine starting caliber back. CEH gets that one easy because he's up to speed pretty quickly. Williams, OTOH, just spun his wheels, lost the angle and was brought down. After the subsequent false start we had to kick a field goal.

That's 4 points and 2 first downs at mid-field, all attributable to a different 'alternative' to CEH and all plays that I'm fairly certain CEH makes.

CEH isn't an elite runningback but he's not a lousy one. And our alternatives are, frankly, pretty lousy.

The Chiefs shouldn't have drafted CEH where they did but they still need him.
It appears you watched the same game breakdown I did.

Mahomes was doing what everyone said he needs to do, players were just losing 1 on 1 battles they shouldn't have

FloridaMan88 11-11-2021 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15948528)
There were three critical plays not made by runningbacks on Sunday that probably get made by CEH.

The 3rd and 2 pass to McKinnon where he got isolated 1v1 against a CB. If he makes the CB miss, he goes for 25 yards (the playcall was good - there was NOBODY behind him). Even if he squares his shoulders and gets low, he plows forward for 5 yards and a first. Instead McKinnon got his feet knocked out from under him and went straight down. CEH is shifty - I'm not sure he gets the clean miss for 25 but he absolutely gets down and drives forward for a 1st down at about the 50 yard line.

The 3rd and 1 run from Gore was just AWFUL. They had an easy 1st down there if he just follows his pulling G (Thuney). Instead he bounced left, into the teeth of the defense and the extra man that opened up by Thuney's pull. Stuffed at about the 50, punt.

And the throw to Williams near the goal-line. I was floored he didn't get that angle but he's just soooooo slooooooow. That was a walk-in TD for a genuine starting caliber back. CEH gets that one easy because he's up to speed pretty quickly. Williams, OTOH, just spun his wheels, lost the angle and was brought down. After the subsequent false start we had to kick a field goal.

That's 4 points and 2 first downs at mid-field, all attributable to a different 'alternative' to CEH and all plays that I'm fairly certain CEH makes.

CEH isn't an elite runningback but he's not a lousy one. And our alternatives are, frankly, pretty lousy.

The Chiefs shouldn't have drafted CEH where they did but they still need him.
The Chiefs YAC overall on short passes was non-existent in the Green Bay game but especially in the screen game with Darrel and McKinnon.

JFC break a tackle, out-physical the defender, show some speed… make a damn play.

RunKC 11-15-2021 11:04 AM
Where would we be if we drafted Tee Higgins instead of Clyde? Could really use a 3rd receiver like that guy

TEX 11-15-2021 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15956872)
Where would we be if we drafted Tee Higgins instead of Clyde? Could really use a 3rd receiver like that guy
True. But I was all in on Jonathan Taylor, so I'll just stick to thinking about that when I start bitching about drafting CEH. :banghead:

Demonpenz 11-15-2021 11:49 AM
CEH is a JAG but may get better hopefully

jd1020 11-15-2021 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 15956944)
CEH is a JAG but may get better hopefully
Just start using him in the passing game like they have been using the RB in the passing game in recent weeks. Look what a bum like Darrel Williams just accomplished in the passing game. I mean... thats why we ****ing drafted him over the other RBs in the draft. Not because he was better than they are at running the ball, but because he seemingly fit this offense like a glove. We've been using him like an OJ Simpson glove, though.

ThaVirus 11-15-2021 12:06 PM
Mahomes has done a great job of selling the downfield pass then coming back to the RB down low. He’s dropping back, looking downfield, letting those LBs get some depth, then he’s firing it out to Darrel who’s got 10-12 yards of open field in front of him.

I’d like to see us do the same thing with Clyde. He’s not a guy who can create a ton on his own, but if we can get him in the open field with a head full of steam, maybe he can make some magic.

TEX 11-15-2021 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 15956944)
CEH is a JAG but may get better hopefully
And / or we will learn how to use him more effectively.

The Franchise 11-15-2021 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 15956997)
Mahomes has done a great job of selling the downfield pass then coming back to the RB down low. He’s dropping back, looking downfield, letting those LBs get some depth, then he’s firing it out to Darrel who’s got 10-12 yards of open field in front of him.

I’d like to see us do the same thing with Clyde. He’s not a guy who can create a ton on his own, but if we can get him in the open field with a head full of steam, maybe he can make some magic.
And hopefully more screens.

staylor26 11-15-2021 12:29 PM
The way this season has played out, I kind of expect CEH to come back strong and silence some of the doubters.

ThaVirus 11-15-2021 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15957055)
And hopefully more screens.

Aye, hopefully that helps the Ts as well. A half second’s hesitation from them thinking they might be vacating an area where a screen in developing could be the difference between a TD and a turnover.

Pitt Gorilla 11-15-2021 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15957057)
The way this season has played out, I kind of expect CEH to come back strong and silence some of the doubters.
Assuming he's healthy, he's going to play well. Darrel, though, has earned the right to continue as the starter, IMO.

jd1020 11-15-2021 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 15957104)
Darrel, though, has earned the right to continue as the starter, IMO.
You must be ****ing joking. He's what T-40th in YPA? Ya... lets continue more of that please.

The Franchise 11-15-2021 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 15957063)
Aye, hopefully that helps the Ts as well. A half second’s hesitation from them thinking they might be vacating an area where a screen in developing could be the difference between a TD and a turnover.
It’s also going to help with the two deep safety issue. Screens and runs are going to cause them to creep up.

Dunerdr 11-15-2021 01:12 PM
Honestly CEH could look a shitload better if hed try to juke and avoid contact instead of lowering his shoulder all the time.

duncan_idaho 11-15-2021 01:18 PM
Williams ended up in a LOT of 1x1 situations last night.

This is exactly what they drafted CEH for... his quickness and cutting ability make him tough for closing-out LB and S to defend.

As well as Williams played last night, I think CEH gets a little more out of those 1x1, open-field situations. Though I don't know that he is someone you throw a jump ball to in the end zone.

A healthy CEH that makes LB routinely miss 1x1 in the short and intermediate ranges makes this offense even tougher to defend.

Dunerdr 11-15-2021 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15957176)
Williams ended up in a LOT of 1x1 situations last night.

This is exactly what they drafted CEH for... his quickness and cutting ability make him tough for closing-out LB and S to defend.

As well as Williams played last night, I think CEH gets a little more out of those 1x1, open-field situations. Though I don't know that he is someone you throw a jump ball to in the end zone.

A healthy CEH that makes LB routinely miss 1x1 in the short and intermediate ranges makes this offense even tougher to defend.
This is basically everything you need to know. He may be a JAG but hes a JAG upgrade from our current JAG's.

duncan_idaho 11-15-2021 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 15957223)
This is basically everything you need to know. He may be a JAG but hes a JAG upgrade from our current JAG's.
I'm not even sold that he's just a guy. I think he's a little better than average.

They've used him like he's a run-first guy, though. Drafting him with the idea of utilizing him in the passing game like KC used Williams last night makes sense.

Drafting him with the idea of him being primarily a ballcarrier? If that's what you're looking for, why draft Edwards-Helaire and not Taylor?

ToxSocks 11-15-2021 01:48 PM
CEH was playing well when he got injured and the OL was still improving. I expect that with the offense a bit further along, CEH will play good football and provide more than what Williams was giving us.

ToxSocks 11-15-2021 01:49 PM
And it's looking like the Gore experiment is pretty much over.

BleedingRed 11-15-2021 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15957253)
And it's looking like the Gore experiment is pretty much over.
Never started

ToxSocks 11-15-2021 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 15957256)
Never started
I think we've seen enough.

FloridaMan88 11-15-2021 02:04 PM
Maybe we’ll finally see production from CEH in the screen game that everyone was anticipating when he was drafted.

arrwheader 11-15-2021 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 15957279)
Maybe we’ll finally see production from CEH in the screen game that everyone was anticipating when he was drafted.
Maybe pigs will fly.

Pitt Gorilla 11-15-2021 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15957253)
And it's looking like the Gore experiment is pretty much over.
Honestly not sure what Chief Fan saw in that guy.

Hammock Parties 11-15-2021 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 15957296)
Honestly not sure what Chief Fan saw in that guy.
Wiggle and power.

He still hasn't touched it that much.

ShowtimeSBMVP 11-20-2021 02:18 PM
He’s back tomorrow

Deberg_1990 11-20-2021 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP (Post 15965406)
He’s back tomorrow
Hells yes. We need him for the stretch run.

ChiefaRoo 11-20-2021 02:28 PM
Clyde is ok. Let him play.

ShowtimeSBMVP 11-20-2021 02:41 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs are activating RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire from injured reserve and elevating WR Daurice Fountain from practice squad to the 53-player roster, per sources.<br><br>CEH makes his return for first action since Week 5, while Fountain offers depth with Marcus Kemp on COVID list.</p>&mdash; Herbie Teope (@HerbieTeope) <a href="https://twitter.com/HerbieTeope/status/1462157674540380162?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Deberg_1990 11-20-2021 03:58 PM
Daurice Fountain baby!!

Hog's Gone Fishin 11-20-2021 04:35 PM
I thought we released Fountain

MIAdragon 11-20-2021 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 15965539)
I thought we released Fountain
I thought his leg broke off.

Abba-Dabba 11-20-2021 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 15965539)
I thought we released Fountain
We did release him from the 53man roster. He was resigned to the practice squad after he cleared waivers. He is back again on the 53 man roster for the moment.

FloridaMan88 11-20-2021 04:55 PM
Hopefully Darrel Williams is still RB1 tomorrow.

That’s not a long term indictment of CEH, but Darrel is coming off his best game while Clyde has been out for a month.

DaFace 11-20-2021 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 15965560)
Hopefully Darrel Williams is still RB1 tomorrow.

That’s not a long term indictment of CEH, but Darrel is coming off his best game while Clyde has been out for a month.
Agreed.

bobhill 11-20-2021 05:26 PM
If they use cylde I hope they throw it to him

Marcellus 11-20-2021 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bobhill (Post 15965606)
If they use cylde I hope they throw it to him
Well CEH is running for almost a yard more per carry than Williams so.....

Megatron96 11-20-2021 07:48 PM
Darrel will start. Clyde will take about 15-20 snaps. No need to risk another setback with Darrel healthy and playing fairly well.

Would like to see Clyde involved in the passing game for about half of those snaps.

Chris Meck 11-20-2021 08:19 PM
I've got a good feeling about Clyde in the flats. I think we may finally see the reason we drafted him.

JakeF 11-20-2021 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15957253)
And it's looking like the Gore experiment is pretty much over.
Andy never really gave Gore a full chance.

Gore was productive and looked good in the small chance the Chiefs gave him. They just didn't give him much of a chance. If the Chiefs give **** all, another team will give Gore a real chance next year.

Buehler445 11-20-2021 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15965840)
I've got a good feeling about Clyde in the flats. I think we may finally see the reason we drafted him.
I’m just confused as to why we weren’t going there before he got hurt.

Wouldn’t that be a better look than him up the middle? Idk.

BWillie 11-20-2021 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 15965806)
Darrel will start. Clyde will take about 15-20 snaps. No need to risk another setback with Darrel healthy and playing fairly well.

Would like to see Clyde involved in the passing game for about half of those snaps.
God I hope not.

JakeF 11-20-2021 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 15965949)
I’m just confused as to why we weren’t going there before he got hurt.

Wouldn’t that be a better look than him up the middle? Idk.
It was so strange.

Almost every carry CEH got was a power run between the Center and RG.

Why? Nothing about CEH screams power back.

Bowser 11-20-2021 09:50 PM
Why is Fountain up? Who did we release/IR to make this possible?

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan 11-20-2021 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 15965966)
Why is Fountain up? Who did we release/IR to make this possible?
Brown, the TE we got from the Jets, was released.

JakeF 11-20-2021 09:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 15965966)
Why is Fountain up? Who did we release/IR to make this possible?
Kemp went to Covid list.

Bowser 11-20-2021 09:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 15965968)
Kemp went to Covid list.
Durr, I knew that. Thanks.

Bowser 11-20-2021 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan (Post 15965967)
Brown, the TE we got from the Jets, was released.
I did NOT know that. Huh

Pitt Gorilla 11-20-2021 11:18 PM
IF Clyde is healthy, he's going to look good.

Rasputin 11-20-2021 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 15966022)
IF Clyde is healthy, he's going to look good.
This although I'm not expecting much his first game back but see what his work load is like what the coaches feel comfortable doing with him. With that said hell yes I'm excited for his return and we just got better again on offense.

tredadda 11-20-2021 11:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RubberSponge (Post 15965543)
We did release him from the 53man roster. He was resigned to the practice squad after he cleared waivers. He is back again on the 53 man roster for the moment.
Hopefully he doesn't become our new Spiller.

Hammock Parties 12-28-2021 11:28 AM
clyde is so zzzzzz

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHOSsjPX...pg&name=medium

TwistedChief 12-28-2021 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16038468)
Ugh. Darrel Williams bottom right.

Tribal Warfare 12-28-2021 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 15966022)
IF Clyde is healthy, he's going to look good.
If he's on he'll look decent, but he'll be JAG if it's business as usual

Hammock Parties 12-28-2021 11:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16038475)
Ugh. Darrel Williams bottom right.
That is the conundrum we find ourselves in, particularly with Darrel being so much better as a receiver.

Clyde's YPC has dipped significantly since he returned. He will be under 4 by season's end at this rate.

smithandrew051 12-28-2021 11:52 AM
Man if we could flip a pick for Tony Pollard in the offseason, you’d have to consider it. He’s going into the last year of his contract. Can’t believe the Cowboys would pay 2 running backs.

mabbott 12-28-2021 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16038481)
That is the conundrum we find ourselves in, particularly with Darrel being so much better as a receiver.

Clyde's YPC has dipped significantly since he returned. He will be under 4 by season's end at this rate.
I wouldn't say Darrel is so much better of a receiver. I haven't seen CEH targeted downfield as much as Darrel because he is not the 3rd down back.

King_Chief_Fan 12-28-2021 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by mabbott (Post 16038502)
I wouldn't say Darrel is so much better of a receiver. I haven't seen CEH targeted downfield as much as Darrel because he is not the 3rd down back.
Gore was pretty good ar receiver. data point of 1 on Sunday.

Hammock Parties 12-28-2021 12:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mabbott (Post 16038502)
I wouldn't say Darrel is so much better of a receiver. I haven't seen CEH targeted downfield as much as Darrel because he is not the 3rd down back.
Darrel has made plays in the passing game we've never seen CEH make. Just accept it.

Kiimo 12-28-2021 12:02 PM
The only RB we have with the ability to hit home runs is Gore.

MOAR GOAR

ThyKingdomCome15 12-28-2021 12:06 PM
He good, probably rests until the Playoffs.

TwistedChief 12-28-2021 12:07 PM
I think we know what we have in Clyde and Darrel at this point. And they're fine and that's fine.

I think Gore's ability to produce big plays in a limited sample size is becoming a lot more intriguing as it continues when he gets touches.

I hope we get to see a lot of him this Sunday.

MIAdragon 12-28-2021 12:11 PM
If he was a 6th/7th rd pick he’d be cut already.

BWillie 12-28-2021 12:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16038468)
Hey look. This supports what some of us have been saying. CEH is better than Williams at running the ball. But they both aren't good. Williams definitely seems like the better pass catch back which is kind of surprising.

Not sure about the source, and if from PFF I won't believe a thing, but seems to track based on the other names and the eye test.

I hope we can lock up the #1 seed so we can give tons of carries to Gore to see what we have from him.

Chris Meck 12-28-2021 12:58 PM
Well, we'll find out if Gore looks good due to small sample size, or is a diamond in the rough.

dirk digler 12-28-2021 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16038468)
More evidence that he is a JAG

mabbott 12-28-2021 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16038511)
Darrel has made plays in the passing game we've never seen CEH make. Just accept it.

CEH has been targeted 22 times with 19 receptions, 129 yards and 2 TDs.

Williams has been targeted 50 times with 41 receptions, 403 yards and 2 TDs

Yep, he is WAY better... what was I thinking ROFL


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