He did better in the 4th quarter.. Crunch time..

We ran the ball and played safe in the fourth quarter. I hope to hell he didn’t mess it up

Shouldn’t surprise anyone we can run to the left behind a guard at tackle. The issue is the pass pro. Anderson put Thuney on his heels several times. This isn’t an advocation for Hunphries just a scary reality going forward.

Texans had the best DE talent remaining in the playoffs IMO. Ravens and Bills are solid but not all that dynamic

Yeah.. But I don’t think Baltimore or Buffalo has that caliber of pass rushers..

You mean like the play tonight where Thiney let his man drive him right into Patrick’s lap?

The hyperbole surrounding the imminent doom if Humphries were to start and allow even one bad whiff continues to be off the charts.

The game is over. Neither the Bills or Ravens have edge rushers like the Texans.

And we somehow held up.

Mahomes had several snaps where he had all day to throw.

Thought Thuney besides giving up that one sack looked pretty damn good.

You don't deserve this win.

We averaged 4.2 yards per play. You're not supposed to win those games. I know Houston has a borderline great D, but our offense was terrible and what we saw today indicates maybe we need to switch it up on the line

Mahomes doesn't

You have failed

Honor our lord and savior

Still a ****ing reerun huh?

We won. Thuney was fine.

Discussion over.

Remember when BWillie guaranteed you Thuney was starting in the playoff game?

Remember when BWillie bet that J Wat would play the AFC Championship game?

BWillie is always wrong.

Recognize ****s.

Both Caliendo and Thuney had plays where they looked like ass today. Unfortunately, I can also buy that Humphries would have had his fair share of them too.

It's a problem, but I don't think there's a solution. Our best hope is just hanging on for two more games.

Imo we have absolutely nothing to lose by putting DJ in there. If he can't step up then just go back to Thuney. It's just that simple. Because the run game needs to be better if we want to see this offense be what we hope it will be. Nothing Joe did today was anything DJ can't do Imo.

Agreed.

We have absolutely everything to lose by changing it up in the AFCCG.

And it's also not happening.

We let up three sacks today and ran for net 50 yards. Again. We have nothing to lose.

Offense like that again and we lose next week. That's on Reid to figure out.

We can analyze our offensive output to hell and back over the next week to figure out exactly where to place the blame.

I would LOVE another 2 weeks to get a good look at Humphries and make a better decision at LT. But we are past the point of no return. It's the AFC Championship game. We are absolutely not changing anything at this late stage in the season. The coaching staff has made their decision. It is ride or die with Thuney and we're not changing it, for better or worse.

I don't care that it's the AFC game as making the change could actually help this team. Joe did nothing today to seperate himself from DJ imo as he let up a sack and was under fire several times. Moving Joe back to guard may help our run game too.

I agree. Why be average at two positions when you can be great at one and average at the other

If the offense plays like they did today, they won't be in the Super Bowl.

That being said, the Texans have better pass rushers than either the Ravens or Bills.

We better hope they get better because this is what we are going to see as far as a lineup the rest of the way.

I agree. Thuney was no better than Humphries in the broncos game. In fact it was very similar.
But I can guarantee Thuney is way better than what Caliendo gave us

+1

Put some respect on BWillie

It might. It's possible.

But is anyone going to take that risk? You've had two weeks of rest and prep time to pick someone to play LT, you pick them, and then the next week you tell the coaches and the players you're going with the other guy? You really wanna throw a wrench in the gameplan like that? Share snaps between both guys in case Humphries doesn't work out?

It's unfeasible. It just doesn't work. The entire team suffers trying to juggle 2 different guys at the most important position on the line. You pick a guy and stick with him to avoid this exact situation.

It truly sucks. We never found a suitable guy at LT and now the entire left side of the line is compromised. But that's just how the dice fell this year. The deadline to find a fix at LT was 1 month ago, hopefully sooner, and they didn't get it done.

This is what we're left with. And we have to make it work for 2 more games.

Agreed. The offense was hot rotten garbage today. It has to be WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY ****ing better to beat either of the Bills or Ravens next week.

That’s not true. The Ravens have good pass rushers. Van Noy 12.5 sacks and Owen 10 sacks

We've already beaten them.

We've already shut down Henry.

It's not happening. Just like we told you it wasn't happening going into this game.

They do, they have to play better than today.

I really, REALLY wish the LT situation isn't what it is, but it's too late now.

It's a gaffe on Veach and I suppose the coaching staff for thinking either Wanya or a rookie with no one else as backup was going to work out at LT. Can't do that again this offseason.

The Ravens only gave him 13 carries in that matchup and it was Week 1. You think they are doing that again if they face us, especially considering how weak we are lately against the run? And we didn't stop Lamar, at all.

The offense needs to play better to keep that from happening or they are going to pound the **** out of Henry.

What the **** are you talking about?

Did you even read the last sentence of my post?

Or are you suggesting that Thuney and Caliendo playing better is not happening?

Yep. The lineup is set. They just have to play better.

The idea that they will change the starters.

This is what we're rolling with.

They didn't play bad at all actually. Pat was WAY OFF all day, and Pacheco for some reason has def regressed since he's come back and can't seem to find a seam to save his life.

Hunt ran the ball just fine.

PAT HAS TO PLAY BETTER. He missed wide open guys many times today and flat out missed some guys that were just open and he didn't even look at them

I never said a word about changing the lineup. I fact, I explicitly said the opposite.

Both Perine and Hunt are better HB's than Pacheco right now. And it's obvious.

And they should both get more time...

He did. A couple of different times. Yall just ignored it.

Whatever. Is what it is. Thuney didn't play well today and even if he did it wouldn't have mattered.

Mahomes is a complete enigma at this point. There's really no telling what he will or will not do in any given game. There was zero excuse for him just locking in on Kelce every play and abandoning the offense altogether from essentially the opening snap. But it's about the 5th time he's done that this season.

And yall will blame his LT for it unless it's Thuney. Then you'll blame Taylor I guess.

It's Mahomes. It's ENTIRELY Mahomes.

The rest of this is masturbating.

Yeah it was weird the offense was meh most the game but the 1 touchdown before half time they were pushing the ball downfield. I wonder if that was a combination of the type of defense the Texans were playing at that point, the o-line giving pat time, or him not being locked in on Kelce that specific drive

2nd time in 4 starts the offense has been a complete ****ing clown show with Thuney at LT.

"But we can't mess with what's working"

Whatever.

I'm over this thread.

Hopkins and Brown had 0 receptions today. I refuse the Texans coverage was THAT good

It wasn't.

Mahomes was hot spiced ass.

Again.

I mean if thuney plays like this at LT I don’t know the benefit of having him out there. Again, this isn’t about Humphreys being an upgrade over thuney at LT. I think people forget that we are downgrading thuney by turning a hall of fame LG into a barely acceptable LT

At this point, what else can you even do to appease Mahomes? He's got a great situation.

Plenty of talent on the OL, decent options at RB even on 3rd down, multiple TE options, multiple WR options.

It's weird, he's got an offense more than half the league would dream for, and he's just playing like hot ass. I wonder what's up.

The whole reason to do it was it appeared that Mahomes was much more comfortable and played much better.

He didn't today. He played like Kingsly/Morris were at LT today. He held the ball too long and wouldn't throw it away.

I'm guessing that the Texans two standout CB's were making him nervous about letting it go. It's all I can come up with...

Well you play the 5 best players.

Instead we played 'the guy Mahomes trusts' and he still looked like shit.

{shrug}

Just hope he plays better, I guess. Your guess is as good as mine as to whether he actually will. There's seemingly no rhyme or reason to it at this point.

The coaches picked their guy. Idk.

We gotta live with it and be better.

And again - I don't even know that they got it wrong. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.

My point is that it doesn't ****ing matter either way. And if nothing else, I'm glad it wasn't Humphries out there today because he'd have been scapegoated for this as quick as a hiccup.

Since nobody will criticize Thuney it becomes 'man...I don't know - that was weird...'. Bit if it were Humphries he'd have gotten massacred in this thread and others.

It simply doesn't matter. We've had a baseline of acceptable LT play in all bit 2, maybe 3 games that PM has started this year. And around that LT play we have gotten probably top 5 performance from the other 4 OL.

And yet we act like the OL is screwing things up.

It isn't. At all.

Put Willie Roaf over there for all I care - there's still no telling what you're going to get from PM right now.

He's still playing like game manager Mahomes.

Is that what you're seeing?

Because I'd have taken that today.

I don't think that's what we got. Game managers don't lock onto their security blanket and otherwise wreck the offense around them. Rookies and backups do.

This is a feeble argument tbh. It's about what's best for the team. And no-one is gonna moan if Joe is put back in his rightful position. Especially after he wasn't great today. Bottom line is we have an opportunity to make the line better by putting a pro bowl LT onto the line. And hopefully Andy takes that chance and stops being so conservative.

oh god now we're bleating about mahomes again? LMAO

I'm not gonna re-do this conversation after we've gone through it ad nauseum for the past 2 weeks.

Andy's not gonna do it, and that's all there is to it.

Clayster hold these guys accountable

It was Smithian for sure and it won't be good enough moving forward however they were still able to manage 23 on a good defense..

Lol he spent all week rotating them in practice after Joe had some "good" games. Now we'll see what happens this week after Joe wasn't good :thumb: .

So did Humphries play at all on Saturday?

I think he's gotta play this week. We need the guard version of Joe Thuney back

Just watched the Bills vs Chiefs preview video from the NFL youtube page and they say Joe gave up TWO SACKS AND 15% PRESSURE RATE vs the Texans. They also say the line itself gave up a 40% pressure rate. I knew it was rough but THAT rough? :eek:

Andy better think hard about this. Could DJ really be worse than that? Imo very doubtful. He's already faced better D-lines and was better imo.

Andy and Spags better learn from the last game and play DJ and Joshua Williams at their respective LT and CB3 positions. In doing so you get a huge upgrade at LG. Why stick with below average play at BOTH LG and LT, when you can get at least similar LT play, along with far superior LG play. Do the right thing this week, please.

Did they say is they're going to play this POS yet?

Its going to be Thuney at LT whether we like it or not.

Don't **** with the formula is what Andy will say.

I wouldn’t rule out DJ playing LT against Buffalo quite yet…

The Chiefs scored on 5 of 7 drives and averaged 4.3 yards per rush and 7.1 yards per pass.

They did just fine. They're facing a far less talented defense this Sunday.

Thuney is the LT. We're not messing with the chance DJ gives up an insta-pressure sack fumble.

It's been a clown show all year. There's no pattern to follow other than Pat. It doesn't seem to matter who's at LT, he has as many games where he sucks complete shit as he does games he doesn't. Might as well throw Thuney back at OG.

Could Humphries start at LG (for Thuney) until he earns his game shape back and then slide back outside?

Perhaps less of a drop off at the G position than Caliendo.

Andy will probably not change now. Will Anderson Jr. and Danielle Hunter aren’t playing for the Bills. While Rousseau and Buffalo’s other edges are solid, they will be easier to handle than the Texans’ pass rushers. Thuney has a few warts at tackle but I think they can protect Mahomes better vs. Bills.

Question is can Caliendo hold up to a talented pass rusher up the middle?

Thus game Taylor needs to better vs. Von on the right side and we’ll be fine. The Bills are petrified at the thought of Mahomes getting out the pocket. We should be good in the middle.

It's not just that. The run game hasn't been great with him in the middle.

Bad running game doesn't get Pat killed. A DT blasting him head on might.

I'd absolutely bring Humphries back next year and with a whole offseason see how good he is come the preseason. Hopefully he can be solid+ until Kingsly or any other LTOTF is ready.

Buffalos best pass rush comes from the interior. You move Thuney back inside and play Humphries. The main reason they had Thuney at LT is because they had been doing that the previous games and didn't want to mess up the communications ect.

Ed Oliver worries more than DaQuan Jones in the middle, especially on 3rd down. However, fully expect Chiefs to be ready for this. Humphrey’s Advantage: if he gets his hands on Oliver early, he can neutralize him with his size and technique. I also hope Hunt is the main guy running inside this week.

Rousseau is a tough matchup for Thuney. Long and strong. Gonna be interesting.

Oliver was the guy in the last game that gave us issues BUT IT WAS AGAINST TREY SMITH.

Feels like Oliver has routinely dog-walked Trey Smith.

THAT may be the most important matchup of the entire game. Smith can't just get his ass kicked by Oliver the way he has the last several matchups against t hem.

And there's no reason he should. Oliver is a good player but he ain't Aaron Donald or Chris Jones out there. He's a slightly better version of Tank Wharton. That sort of player shouldn't be eviscerating Trey Smith the way he has.

Smith needs to come to play Sunday or we're gonna have a bad time, regardless of who's at LT.

I thought Hunt looked outstanding last game. How he converted that 4th and 1 out of shotgun (oh Andy bless your heart) was a game winning play. Pacheco gets stuffed there.

What’s hilarious is that BWillie thinks interior OL don’t matter when Ed Oliver absolutely raped Trey Smith and got in Mahomes face quickly last game. Literally ruined multiple key drives.

Pacheco has lost some of his violence after the injury which covered up his lack of vision, hunt looks better for what we do right now.