I don't think he does either but I think it has less to do with his age than the simple fact that he's still really rough defensively and needs the time to work on his defense.

Tavares already has 10 homers in 143 at-bats this year for Springfield while batting .315/.364/.643 in 36 games.

That's all you took from that article? That since you aren't the only person off base on this subject then it justifies your position, "facts be damned" as Bernie put it?

I mainly took it as more turd polishing, probably at the behest of the organization.

The Holliday supporters kind of remind me of the Gabbert supporters. Dudes piss down their legs in key situations over and over, yet I should love them based on statistics. At least I'm not stuck forever with one of them.

Holliday is a guy that is going to put up good numbers every year, and that is helpful. But he does have the tendency to not produce at all when it's really needed. Like you, I was at the games at Busch over the weekend, and there was no doubt in my mind that he would strike out when he pinch hit on Sunday. I would have liked to see Yadi pinch hit there, but you really can't burn your only other catcher in that situation.

I did convert the wife from a Cubs fan to a Cards fan over the weekend. I guess seeing a couple of games at Busch won her over. At Wrigley, you have a better chance of being puked on than actually having an intelligent baseball conversation so she appreciates fans that actually watch the game.

In summary you ignore what people who get paid to analyze performance vs value for a living think and go with what you believe in your mind only.

understood.

Yea he can be frustrating, I understand that but the simple fact is his numbers will be there at the end of the year.

How is this spin in any way shape or form?

Since signing the contract, this is where Holliday ranks among major-league left fielders: 2nd in homers, second in RBIs, 2nd in onbase percentage, 4th in slugging percentage, 2nd in extra-base hits, 4th in batting average, 2nd in runs created. Only one LF in the game has produced more than Holliday since the start of the 2010 season -- Milwaukee's Ryan Braun.

Is "frustrating" a word that should be associated with your No. 3 hitter? Your highest payed player? Really?

I'm not interested in his Bronco-air inflated career stats, nor do I care how many hits he gets when we're up 7-1 against the ****ing Pirates. All I know is that if the game is on the line, I'd rather see pretty much anybody in the lineup at the plate than Holliday (other than the pitcher and whoever our second baseman du jour is).

I've got 1/4 season tickets to the Springfield Cardinals (AA, as I'm sure you all know). This Sunday, I think it's the last game that they're giving out the replica WS rings. 2500. The place will be packed. I heard that people were at prior giveaway games offering upwards of $50-60 on the spot for a ring that didn't get one.

Hatred is clouding your ability to read, the stats I quoted are based off his time since joining the Cards not his time in Colorado.

The point you continually fail to realize regardless of how many times it is made, the reason Holliday is frustrating is simply the expectations are ridiculous. How you can't figure that out is beyond me. He is doing what he has done for most of his career, his numbers aren't down. If you look, his OPS is actually higher since coming to Stl than it was in Colorado, but just ignore the facts.

Do I get frustrated? Yea, why? Because I expect a hit every at bat with runners in scoring position, is that realistic? Ummm no.

In summary, he is what he is, and always has been. People who hate on him expect him to be something he has never been. He will never be AP, Musial etc...regardless of what you want and expect from $17MM a year.

And looking around at what players are making now he isn't even overpaid.

That's all lovely, really. I still think he sucks. Quick, roll out some more stats!

Bernie did hit on one thing I agree with - my contempt for this turd was cemented the day he dropped that routine fly ball in the Dodgers playoff game, and then stood there like a ****ing doofus afterward. And he's really not done much to change my opinion of him since. When the going gets tough, Holliday disappears.

I suspected that to be the case, I was pissed too.

Bullpen is absolutely horrible right now.
If they don't turn it around I'm afraid Craig might be traded for relief pitching.

No way Craig is traded.

Only a dumbass like frazhole would think that Holliday sucks.

Did you see that home run he hit tonight with a guy on to take the lead?

He probably didn't even know who Holliday was until he came to St. Louis.