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milkman 06-15-2014 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 10694112)
Im hoping demarcus van dyke shows something and can make the 53

Cause all the best corners are UDFAs or castoffs.

The Bad Guy 06-15-2014 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10692627)
And Flowers wouldn't have been better than Owens or Gaines?

I just find it odd that when Flowers has a bad year, he deserves to be cut - but when other players making more money than their production dictates - and are older - the same folks change their opinion.

What would be the point in cutting Hali? His presence alone on this defense is going to force teams to gameplan for him.

Flowers wasn't that guy, not in this scheme.

The Bad Guy 06-15-2014 09:52 PM

I don't think Flowers is "washed up".

What I think is that he's strictly a zone corner at this point. He's slower than he was 3 years ago. He can't play bigger receivers on the outside and he hasn't played in the slot enough in his career to bank on him carving out a niche there. He's also considerably slower.

He's a very good corner when used in the right system.

Baby Lee 06-15-2014 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 10694199)
What would be the point in cutting Hali? His presence alone on this defense is going to force teams to practice their holding technique for him.

Flowers wasn't that guy, not in this scheme.

FYP

The Bad Guy 06-15-2014 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 10694213)
FYP

Truth.

I also will never cut a pass rusher over a corner unless that corner is in the top 5 at his position.

Jiu Jitsu Jon 06-15-2014 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 10694112)
Im hoping demarcus van dyke shows something and can make the 53

Wow, then it's worse than I thought.

xztop123 06-15-2014 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10694128)
Cause all the best corners are UDFAs or castoffs.

This idea of "best" and "worse" is really stupid for team games. Hell the NBA isn't really that much of a team game and the Spurs just beat the team with the "best" players.

LoneWolf 06-16-2014 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 10694333)
This idea of "best" and "worse" is really stupid for team games. Hell the NBA isn't really that much of a team game and the Spurs just beat the team with the "best" players.

So you're just as clueless about the NBA as you are about the NFL.

Dayze 06-16-2014 07:29 AM

wheh i said last year that Hali lost a step and I could see him gone after this season, quite a few people looked at me like I was a mouth breather.

well, at least that's 'one' of the reasons anyway.

loochy 06-16-2014 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10694490)
So you're just as clueless about the NBA as you are about the NFL.

As he is about the English language as well.

TEX 06-16-2014 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 10693277)
Yes. Cornerback is not a position that you have to spend high draft picks on. Especially when you can get by with one trick pony types of CB's. The CB's that Seattle and KC are after wouldn't be great corner backs for teams that run a multitude of coverages. Therefore they fall.

ROFL Holy shit, I don't know where to begin...

xztop123 06-16-2014 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 10694673)
ROFL Holy shit, I don't know where to begin...

you install a scheme so that you can get away with lower drafted players at specific positions. If every team used the same principles on offense and defense the draft would be much more clear-cut and predictable.

Back when zone blocking first came on the scene, the faster smaller linemen were not as sought-after and those guys were easier to acquire in later rounds.

Essentially you scheme in a way that allows for specialization. Can't have jack of all trades or what you all like to call "good" or "better" players at every position.

ghak99 06-16-2014 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 10694563)
wheh i said last year that Hali lost a step and I could see him gone after this season, quite a few people looked at me like I was a mouth breather.

well, at least that's 'one' of the reasons anyway.

I kept trying to blame it on an injury, but it's looking like the one trick pony is all but tricked out.

ForeverChiefs58 06-16-2014 10:19 AM

@RavensInsider: Ten NFL teams, including Ravens, Vikings, Falcons, Lions, reached out to Brandon Flowers so far. In preliminary stage, according to a source

Rausch 06-16-2014 11:04 AM

I am ****ing amazed that fans can watch competent talent walk out the door and still believe Dorsey is a solid GM.

We have two offseasons to judge and more talent has left 1 Arrowhead than has come in.

I was as big a backer of Dorsey as anyone here. I loved the hire. I loved his attitude and personality.

But he's a ****ing horrible GM. Just bad in the way herpes is bad...


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