How does one go about getting a QB like Rodgers or Kaepernick? Does it begin with taking a chance on a kid coming out of college?

No.

I still believe he is below average, and roughly in the same stratosphere as Cassel.

I am for damn sure positive the end result is the same: tears.

I know that 14 points is a lot of points, though.

Keyword being College and not the 49ers recycling bin.

Funny you mention these two QB. You said a few posts back that Smith would keep us drafting in the 15-20 range. Rodgers was drafted 20th, and Kaep in the 2nd round.

Im fine with no Geno Smith for now. Bray is nice, and drafting a first round QB would be lovely as well. Let Alex Smith do his thing, say thank you, and let him be on his way.

I mentioned those QB's because those are the 2 QBs that were mentioned in the post I was responding to.

Remind me though... When did the Chiefs last draft a QB in that range?

How are we defining "down the field"?

Yeah, it sucks we don't have Brees, Rodgers, or Kaep. But that's ****ing life. Get over it. They weren't available.

The Chiefs had the FIRST PICK IN THE DRAFT LAST YEAR, WON TWO GAMES ALL OF LAST YEAR.

And you can only BEAT who is on your schedule. The same dallas team, that went toe to toe with the Giants last week, and won.

Sugar coat it all you want. What they are doing, no one expected them to do.

Sure, beat the jags, but DALLAS?

No.....Check the predict the SCHEDULE THREAD.

You really think the past two games are enough evidence to wipe out 8 years of mediocre play? Do I even have to point out a two game stretch of any number of mediocre QBs that have played for the Chiefs in the past 4 decades?

This place is full reerun when it comes to picking sides on stuff.

I don't remember? 92and 89 maybe? Blundin and Elkins?

In Alex Smith terms that might be anything beyond the line of scrimmage.

Lol. Sounds familiar.

In terms of Smith, I'm going with "beyond 10 yards."

the better offense, only scored 16 themselves.

And don't even say about the defense. You yourself thought until today that the Dallas defense was better than the Chiefs....

But, the Dallas defense isn't TRASH. Their front 7 is very good.

Clay you said there was no way in hell Alex Smith throws 25 TD passes.

Well, he has 4 after 2 games.

Well how good were you last year? Well below average I think....STFU

Great post.

I agree.

Meet him half way, make it 5 yards. LMAO

When they picked up Smith, this was my most optimistic, yet realistic view... maybe this time, this regime has a master plan and knows Smith will only get them so far until they find a QB they really believe is the guy who can take them deep into the playoffs.

Of course, it hasn't happened in the past 4 decades... :shrug:

If you are ok with Alex starting for 2013/2014, that's fine. Two years of average play isn't a complete killer for his compensation. If you are ok with extending Alex for 2015 and not drafting a QB in the next two years... then **** off.

Did I dream the penalties and non existent running backs for 55 min.

Beating yourself and no running game. You typically are not gonna score 3 TDs.

This is a brilliant post.

Remaining wary of the flaws in Alex Smith's game and the limited upside that results from those flaws is not bitching. It's just having eyes open.

I thought when they acquired Smith that he was a solid NFL starter in the 15-20 range, who could win a decent number of regular season games with a good defense and running game around him. That would need a GREAT defense and GREAT running game around him to win at a playoff level.

I have thought from the beginning that was not good enough for long-term plans, and that the price was too high. I continue to hope I'm wrong about that. I keep hoping we're going to see what Andy Reid saw that made Alex Smith his dreamboat QB. That Andy Reid can unlock that ability he sees.

Just haven't seen it. So far, Alex Smith has been exactly what detractors thought he was. It's an upgrade. It makes the team better. It puts it in position to win 8-10 games.

That's just not enough for me, long-term. It's fine as long as they're actively trying to replace Smith this offseason (unless he starts playing at a higher level than he has so far) and don't "sit" at the QB position with Smith, Daniel and Bray.

http://abload.de/img/bf0gqnjcmaexwselcq0y.jpg
https://twitter.com/PFF/status/31444...531008/photo/1

Now, I wont pretend to know everything about the Chiefs history. But, what I do know.

Andy Reid, and John Dorsey have traditions coming from franchises that prides itself on finding and developing qbs.

Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Donovan McNabb.

It speaks a ton to the fact that they didn't overdraft a qb this year, nor extend Alex Smith. Those two moves spoke volumes to me. If Alex Smith indeed was their long term solution, he would of been extended. If even a couple of years.

I'm thinking he gets hurt pretty soon as much as he's running.

He's not too bright.

It's not just about completing a pass against the blitz. It's about making the risk bigger than the reward for the defense.

You posted a hollow statistic.

Cool info, thanks! Happily BUMPED. :p

Yes, Madden. Where guys like Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Manning put up those damn Fantasy type numbers. That's all they will ever be. FF QB's.

I mean it's great that we're winning, but the Chargers won today because their QB threw for 419 yards and 3 TD.

That's what it took. To beat the Eagles. Whom we play in 4 days.

Gives you pause, no?

How many of the QB pressures on Smith were blitzes vs. complete O-line breakdown?

You guys are in for a rude awakening if you think Smith is going anywhere anytime soon. He's Reid's guy and you don't give up 2 2nd round picks for a 2 year rental. I expect to see him in KC for at least 5-7 years.

He can throw that many. And he probably will.

You would think it would take a force 4 tornado to move goalposts that much.

I have hope.

2-0 YAY!!!

Watch Alex beat the worthless farters ROLF

I had flashbacks of castle today when Alex kept looking at the pass rush. Jussayin'

Exactly lol

Alex can win and beat plenty of good teams as long as the defense plays at a high level.

I've never said otherwise.

Pro-Bowl ROFL

You have no credit cause ALL YOU DO IS WHINE ABOUT ALEX SMITH and nothing else. :LOL:

I don't know. I didn't keep track.

That doesn't really address the point I was trying to make anyway. Just like the pff stat doesn't.


If all this offense does is throw short and run, defenses won't be afraid to stack the box and blitz/run blitz. They will crowd the short field and leave their corners 1 on 1. It makes what the KC offense is currently doing that much harder. The defenses will be more than happy to put 9 in the box and stuff runs and pressure the QB knowing that Smith's counter is only a short pass.

Start putting some back shoulder throws on our receivers for big gains, and suddenly the safeties are forced to pick their poison. Hell, Dallas forced us to change our scheme doing just that.

And don't give me excuses about not having the receivers. You don't need Calvin Johnson with a 5 yard lead to put a scare in the defense. Testing a 1 on 1 matchup can net you a big catch, a PI, or just enough threat to make those safeties back up or slide outside.

Any fan of this franchise SHOULD whine about QB. We haven't had one in going on 10 years.

If this is the best game Alex can play I want no part of him.

this, for sure.

Yeah, that's the flip side to not turning it over in 2 games... it's one thing to not throw any Cassel-like picks to a wide open defender, but I'd rather see an offense that completes a some 20+ yard passes but throws a pick than see one that keeps everything under 10 yards but never throws picks.

There's more there than just %

The average ypc in that situation is 12.21 yards. That's a nice chunk..and he has a 50% conversion ratio..which is better than all but RG3 on that list.

I'm wondering why we aren't dialing up more downfield passes?

I'd like to see some downfield passes to Bowe. Over the shoulder or up high. He's gonna get those most of the time.

Obvious Monolith mult.

On that subject, I hope we get a gif of that play where Charles trucks that defender. I'd like a 2nd look at the WR on that play.

Alex Smith isn't good at that kind of thing.

look at the yardage, though. hitting a checkdown when your blitzed is nothing to toot your horn at. Make a team pay for blitzing. There's a reason why he's terrible on 3rd down.

This!

31 attempts vs 17 ...which one lost his job and which won a SB?

Better to win a game ugly than to lose it pretty.

With that said, JSP is spot on. This isn't going to cut it week after week.

He's not hurting or helping. Non factor.

:LOL:

so he's 47% and the average is 31%... let's see who can connect the dots here... :p

Funny because he completed a great pass like that today.

Neither of them won a SB. LOL

It will if we win

Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.
 

He doesnt know that

Neither???

... and the great stafford chokes this game away vs Cards by throwing a dink-dunk when they needed more on 4th down... ooops.

For starters, to say Kaepernick was the best in the NFL and Smith wasn't far behind, you're comparing 31 attempts and 17 attempts to guys like Brady and Manning who had 60+ last season... so, that's going to skew it in favor of those who didn't attempt nearly as many.

And that goes back to risk/reward... Manning was 42% and had 9 TDs/5 INTs, and Smith had 3 TDs / 1 INT. If you're afraid to take that risk, you'll beat a lot of mediocre teams because you don't turnover the ball, but you won't beat the big boys.

Yep he does it about once a game. Not enough. Was a poor throw, too.

What up fraud?

... and Eli throws up a deep one!!!! for an INT!!! ****, I hate the Broncos.

LMAO

Not being good at something doesn't necessarily mean you can't ever do it.

Congrats to Alex Smith for surfing on the tidal wave that is our defense. Cowabunga, dude!

Kind of like trolling Alex Smith.

150!!

You're missing the point.

They won't win like this week after week, for all the reasons JSP has already laid out.

LMAO like our offense was worse than Flowers.

The Cowboys were held to one offensive touchdown.

With the scheme we have in place, Flowers gave an acceptable performance.

Exactly.

The offense is still learning its way. Offensively it's taking time to get gelled and rolling, which we all figured it would.

It's good that were winning while that's happening, but it's eventually gonna have to get rollingo

Im not missing anything. Not saying jsp, but a lot of the people crying have been crying since we traded for Smith and right now, right now we are 2-0. If you listened to some of them we would believe Cassel is Smith, Smith is Cassel. Brand new offense, new QB....2-0.

Neither won a superbowl...just saying.