We will be unranked on Monday for the first time since December 2009

And so the sword of the righteous and of justice fell upon the now defrocked bird in one mighty blow and he was left nameless, unknown and bereft of all regard.

We were unranked in 2021.

WSU was last ranked at all in 2020 btw

I’m done betting anything KU Basketball this season, **** them LMAO

I thought it was 23 that year? Eh doesn’t matter

We haven’t forgotten that you yourself confirmed that you have a micropenis.

InvinciBill has the receipts.

Betting on KU to win any road game at all this year would seem to be problematic

It’s not the win so much as I bet the over/under points, but the individual performances are sometimes just pathetic.

Well, I had thought about tuning in, but I see we had morphed back to 1889?

Thumbs downs don’t change the facts, ChiefaRoo

21/22 actually. But now… you’re just like us.

Only 4 seasons since WSU was relevant at all? Better than I thought

Verily i say unto thee for what is relevancy for but a mere construct. Didn’t you guys lose to K-State? Sheeet we beat those kids earlier this season like they were a group of armless droopy eyed children.

Vernon said the players and coaching staff got into an argument after the Utah (primarily Zeke Mayo apparently) and that Self has lost the locker room (if that wasn't clear already by today's game).

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Self: &quot;We need to get away from each other, I&#39;ll tell you that point blank.&quot;<br><br>Self said the trip did not go as planned. He hoped it would be a bonding trip but it hasn&#39;t turned out like that.<br><br>KU will get back at 5 a.m. and get back together as a team on Thursday. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KUbball?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KUbball</a></p>&mdash; Michael Swain (@MSwain247) <a href="https://twitter.com/MSwain247/status/1892068560135975247?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 19, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah, heard that. Sure looks like it.

Gotta think a coach in this era won’t command respect like the past. These players are rich and can leave when they want.

I heard there was a chance Mayo wasn’t even going to start tonight.

Get ready to learn modern basketball with Nate Oats buddy. My body is ready

here’s the highlights.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Live view of BYU vs Kansas, for those who don&#39;t have ESPN. <a href="https://t.co/tfvseQ5cIX">pic.twitter.com/tfvseQ5cIX</a></p>&mdash; Brigham&#39;s Burner (@FiredUpCoug) <a href="https://twitter.com/FiredUpCoug/status/1892045978028605642?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 19, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And I called it. At the beginning of the year after only exhibition games.

You guys thought I was crazy.

I think the biggest issue is so many other coaches now play modern basketball. Not that Bill Self doesn't.

He's actually shooting a career best from 2FG and drawing the most fouls he's ever drawn which albeit is still low. He's cut his turnovers down a tad. He's just missing from 3.

Outside of his outside shooting it the same Harris, if not a little better than he has been. Hes always been this guy.

I imagine the players watching KJ get unlimited minutes no matter how little he’s doing out there (particularly after Flory played great as a starter) has done the coaching staff no favors. They know Self has his favorites and nothing they can do will change that.

It’s not an excuse for just quitting like this but it may help explain why they’ve lost the room.

His 3PT percentage dropping by over 10 points is more significant than anything else considering this team’s lack of spacing/shooting. They need better than that and they’re not getting it.

Been a KU fan since birth. I have vague memories of the early 80’s, a few better memories in the mid-80’s when Larry took over from Ted Owens, and the sleeping giant that happened with Larry and Roy.

Weirdest years were upon my graduation when Ryan Robertson was probably the best player on the floor. Two weird years between the Jacque, Raef, Pollard, Pierce teams to the Boschee, Gooden, Hinrich, Collison teams…

Bill took over, got us into the Elite 8 first year with a weird mix of his players/style and Roy’s boys. Should’ve been a final four team if not for Jacks going apeshit in the best GATech team ever.

Then we saw Bill have some solid couple years, but shit the bed in the tourney, Bucknell, Bradley were bad. And people wanted Bill fired. But then he got the recruits, and we won a championship in a miraculous way in ‘08, a game where many would say Bill outcoached Calipari and Memphis went soft. This team also boatraced Roy in the FF, which exorcised some demons among dipshit jealous fans for Roy.

Great teams for the past 15+ years since, and another Natty, plus the Covid year when that team was actually the best team I’ve seen since ‘08.

We’re in strange territory, because all those stories and memories don’t seem like they mean a damn thing.

This team was loaded to begin the season. We played big. We beat good/great teams. And then we dumped our first game in the Big 12 season to WV. And we just keep dumping. No significant injuries….

The whole damn team has regressed, the lineup stinks, Bill is tap-dancing, and the whole world sees this team as completely dysfunctional and the coaches have lost the locker room.

So be it.

Let this be a learning lesson to Bill and the staff going forward. And I hope Bill is ready to coach again and maybe this team can do “anything” going forward, but if it’s really as shitty as it sounds, I say flush it. And if I’m Bill, I continue to lip service and move on. Let this team embarrass themselves and Bill will take it, and hopefully no more dipshit October speeches about how it’s been too long since we won a Natty, and Coach and let these ****ers play. Bill can coach, but this is weird.

I dunno, I’m rambling…

I find it hard to go after Storr as a player when there pretty clearly is stuff going on behind the scenes that is impacting everyone. The unfortunate fact is that all the transfers outside of Coit maybe have been worse than they were last year. Mayo has been good at home but terrible on the road. Griffen has been erratic at best. Storr could play 16 minutes or 3 depending on ?? Moore is probably the strangest, going from the heart and soul of the tough defensive team that held UCF and Cincy to low numbers but then was suddenly benched(?) and now barely plays at all unless it's very spot minutes or a blowout.

Reading the Vernon article about how people are frustrated that roles aren't defined, that certain players are given favoritism, and that they don't trust Self, makes complete sense. Even the fans on this board don't trust Self. So while Storr hasn't been good, I don't totally put the blame on him for what has happened.

I should have bet the farm on BYU last night. Might be a while before the bookies offer free money like that again.

LOL! "Rambling!" Its ok. Everyone does that when trying to understand KU basketball this season. :shrug:

The best thing that could happen for this team in the next month is KJ and Dajuan both getting hurt. And that’s a sad thing to type out

I had $100 split between DK and FD on BYU. Easy money.

Been fading KU for about 6 weeks now. That's all about to end, unfortunately.

That was the dumbest shit ever... I remember trying to talk sense into a few people, given Self was working with Williams' recruits and trying to force his defense-first system onto guys who wanted to fly up and down the court. Just two opposite styles that didn't work well, and some games they'd look like a Williams team and other times a Self team, and sometimes that would change within the same game.

I didn't love the hire at the time since all I knew was all-offense/little-defense and tournament flameouts on bad shooting nights, but people jumping off the ledge before he could even prove himself with his own players was asinine.

And overall, whatever... we've been really damn spoiled as KU & Chiefs fans in recent years and one thing KU has avoided, as opposed to the likes of Kentucky and UNC, is missing the tournament. And even if they've looked like shit in the tourney a few times lately, they still have a Natty and Covid Natty to show for it.

There's been a ton of change to the game with NIL and the transfer portal, they'll figure it out once these uninspired scrubs leave.

Well, Is this " The Morning After" or is there more to come ?

At least as it pertained to KJ, I actually told my friend exactly this statement yesterday as the game was going on. Our only chance at turning this around may be him getting hurt again.

Not wishing injury on anybody and this team has plenty of other issues at this point (least of which is the players actually giving a shit again) but it's pretty clear that a lot of our problems stem from one issue: we're playing a guy who would be playing spot minutes for any other coach on a top tier team 35 minutes a game over a NBA-level big on the bench.

We were really forming an identity with him as a tough defensive team in the early part of conference season. Any semblance of that fell apart after the Houston collapse and Moore's minutes deteriorated after that game too (granted, he made a really stupid foul that contributed to that collapse which may be part of why Self has turned on him but that meltdown was mostly on Mayo). He played 20+ minutes in 6 consecutive games before that and hasn't played above 15 since then.

IMO he needs to be playing more given that he's not a bad shooter and actually plays defense (he might be the only player on the roster currently capable of doing both) but Self has lost trust in him.

KJ plays harder than anyone else on the team. True or False?

Moore's been dealing with injuries. Mayo's been great. Better than expected. Coit's been about as good as you could expect. Griffen I think was overrated by a lot of people. He's a pretty good shooter that offers little else. Storr is the only transfer that's baffled me this year. I knew he wasn't the most efficient scorer or greatest defender, but I still expected a much bigger impact.

It's fair to question some of Self's decisions and lineups this year, but it's not fair to pretend like they'd be destroying worlds if he cut Harris's/KJ's minutes a bit. Sounds like some of the players are being prima donnas and need to look in the mirror and take accountability.

False, but he does bring the presence.

Destroying worlds? No. Able to run some semblance of an offense? Yes, I think so.

There is no spacing for anyone in the half court because the opposition simply doesn't guard KJ Adams. Imagine a world where Dickinson isn't immediately doubled or tripled on the catch? Would be nice to see it before the season's over but it won't happen.

What you don't like starting 3 centers at the same time?

Unguarded and averaging what 30 mins and 7 points?

I’m actually seriously worried we just might miss the tourney this year. Things have just spiraled so badly. I simply do not have confidence that this team is going to rebound, or is even capable of rebounding considering how dysfunctional things have gotten. Wouldn’t have imagined this potential scenario in a million years two months ago.

Those Duke and MSU wins will carry a lot of weight. I don't think they miss unless they lose out.

Which is actually a real concern at this point.

I think they'll beat OSU and Colorado, and hopefully they can get up for Arizona at home, but it wouldn't shock me if they got stomped that game, too.

How confused are Duke fans watching this shit?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just realized the Oklahoma State game on Saturday might be the last win of the season. <a href="https://t.co/XDOAV5Urkz">pic.twitter.com/XDOAV5Urkz</a></p>&mdash; RRinehart (@RRinehart2012) <a href="https://twitter.com/RRinehart2012/status/1892059220427608110?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 19, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's also a very real possibility that OSU is the last win of the season.

:facepalm:

Thankful for 2022.

With 2018 being vacated (even though we all still count it), KU could be on a 13 year Final Four drought and a 17 year National Title drought.

We don’t appreciate Braun, Agbaji, Wilson, McCormack, and Remy enough.

Remy absolutely saved our ass twice without really ever doing anything before in the regular season. That was a real marvel.

Was the team's best player in the 3 closest games in the tournament (Creighton, Providence, UNC). Not good enough to get much time during the season over Harris though (apparently).

I have a couple extra tickets for saturday, would take $150 for the pair if anyone is interested.

4 of the last 5 halves of basketball that team played was the highest level of basketball any team in the country played that year.

Second half against Miami
Entire game against Nova (shit refs did their best to **** us)
Second half against UNC

It was a thing of beauty at the perfect time.

Having Philon on this team would have been fun, even if he only played 4/mpg.

Zuby also turned into a good player

We would think he is Rakease Passmore and ask why he sucks

Considering the staff raved about him, I doubt it.

The idea that Bill and the staff would refuse to play players who are ready and able is ridiculous. This fanbase has lost their damn minds.

You're seeing it in front of your eyes with the KJ/Flory debacle. Not sure what you're seeing that says otherwise.

Self sitting talent behind his favorites isn't exactly a new concept.

Most years though by this time in the season it felt like he moved the talent into the rotation more.

They haven’t earned his trust to get heavily into the rotation. But the players he trusts keep dropping games. Seems like at some point you’d throw the guys you don’t trust out there and see if anything different happens

True

Bidunga plays a lot more than 4 mpg. If Philon had stayed at KU, he'd probably be getting similar minutes to what he's getting at Alabama. Heck, Griffen's getting almost that.

I'm sure Self would love to get Bidunga more minutes, but he's not exactly an ideal 4 and there aren't many minutes to be found at the 5.

Ah ok, I thought you were watching the games. My mistake.

Most years, Self had a streak of conference titles to protect.

Nothing to protect this year........so what the hell, empty the bench.

The thing of it is. This team is going nowhere even with the perfect lineup. AJ Storr sucks at basketball. If he's given the keys to the castle he will volume score but that would make the team even more Inefficient offensively or even if it was a wash he's an awful defender. I thought Griffen would be better but he's not a well rounded player. I heard he was a lock down defender when he was at Bama but he looks very mid defensively. He can only shoot a 3 or straight line drive.

Basically Coit and Moore are the only guys I would want to give more minutes to other than Bidunga. And Coit would get abused by big guards.

Or just sit one on the bench and let one play more minutes.

Is KJ an ideal 4?

KJ is better than you

So was Tyler Self.

He's about as tall as me too unfortunately, which isn't a help against NCAA bigs.

With or without the dumbass haircut?

KJ is unselfish.

Just watch him rebound.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now we know why there was a delay in hiring a basketball coach last time. Bill Self was holed up in a lodge at Karsten Creek, seriously considering the OSU offer, writes Sports Columnist Berry Tramel. <a href="https://t.co/WHMIjgURXJ">https://t.co/WHMIjgURXJ</a></p>&mdash; Berry Tramel (@BerryTramel) <a href="https://twitter.com/BerryTramel/status/1892952930162036881?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 21, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Holed up in a lodge? It's Nate Oats time.

His hair is one of his best qualities on a basketball court imo

At least Roy had the gumption to lead KU to the national championship game when his alma mater was in the back of his mind.

What's interesting is there's a decent chance Self is the one leaking that information right now.

I have a coach I’d like in a replacement. It isn’t realistic though.

Nate Oats is realistic (I hope).

Mine is Brad Stevens.

Still young enough to coach awhile.

Celtics have maybe gone overboard in embracing modern basketball.

As President of Basketball Operations, he has plenty of roster building experience. Works with high paid athletes which is different for coaches now.

Also, has college experience already.

Again, not realistic at all I’m sure.