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Sweet Daddy Hate 06-25-2013 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9775135)
It's not a "catchphrase".

True. It would have to be catchy in order to be so. You win!

DaneMcCloud 06-25-2013 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9775726)
With no risk, there is no chance at a big reward.

The biggest risk/reward QB in this draft was E.J. Manuel. He'll either be a bust or Daunte Culpepper (before the knee injury). Had the Chiefs taken that chance, I'd have been on board 100%.

I didn't like Geno Smith as a first or second rounder but I did like Barkley as a second rounder. Turns out, Barkley was a fourth rounder.

I didn't like Wilson at all. I thought Bray was the best developmental QB in the draft due to his ideal size, arm strength and age. But I wouldn't have imagined that he would go undrafted. I figured (incorrectly, as it turns out) that he'd be gone in the third.

True to "expert" projections, this was not a good year for QB's as seen by NFL Scouts, GM's, coaches and media prognosticators. If anything positive can be taken by this offseason, it's that those media prognosticators are far more in touch with NFL thinking than previously suspected. The world between informed mock drafters and the NFL is shrinking exponentially.

I just hope that next offseason, people take that information into consideration, instead of bashing anyone (those prognosticators included) furiously while waiting for the draft to unfold. It'll make for a much more pleasant experience.

DaneMcCloud 06-25-2013 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9775891)
True. It would have to be catchy in order to be so. You win!

Vapid

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-25-2013 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9775892)
I just hope that next offseason, people take that information into consideration, instead of bashing anyone (those prognosticators included) furiously while waiting for the draft to unfold. It'll make for a much more pleasant experience.

Not happening. We will find a worthy QB every year and beat the board to death with him every day until the Chiefs actually do something worth two ****s at the position.

It is what it is, and I approve of this method wholeheartedly.

BossChief 06-25-2013 09:44 PM

Scouts and the NFL in general didn't like Colin Kaepernick, Russel Wilson and many other recent "drafted after the first round" quarterbacks, either.

It's how these guys respond to adversity that will dictate if their draft positions were true, or fantastic steals due to following one of the best quarterback drafts in NFL history.

I just happen to think there are a few guys in this class that have 9" dicks and are trying to follow Lex Steel.

-King- 06-25-2013 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by unnecessary drama (Post 9774947)
Dane.

I read all of your posts in this thread.

And then I was like...

holy shit, he LITERALLY took the words out of my mouth.

Like whoa. You have to realize you are arguing with KC Tattoo and ROR, though. They are literally two of the dumbest people on this board. And that's not a mean comment. I mean they are just dumb.

This.

Titty Meat 06-25-2013 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9775909)
Scouts and the NFL in general didn't like Colin Kaepernick, Russel Wilson and many other recent "drafted after the first round" quarterbacks, either.

It's how these guys respond to adversity that will dictate if their draft positions were true, or fantastic steals due to following one of the best quarterback drafts in NFL history.

I just happen to think there are a few guys in this class that have 9" dicks and are trying to follow Lex Steel.

There was also a huge difference in demeanor between guys like Wilson/Kapernick and Geno Smith.

DaneMcCloud 06-25-2013 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9775266)
Don't agree with me I don't give a ****. Doesn't make me dumb to have a different opinion on a subject just for wanting the Chiefs to draft a ****ing quarterback for a change.

I'm not trying to bash you or insult you but this is a false narrative.

You've acted all offseason as if you're above someone or anyone else because you wanted the Chiefs the draft a QB. You acted as if you were the only person that wanted the Chiefs to draft a QB in the history of the franchise and continue to spout off on anyone that has a different opinion. They're suddenly a "homer" or a "True Fan" because they didn't like the available options.

That is complete and utter nonsense.

There have been very few years, especially as of late, in which the consensus on this forum was to draft a QB. When Brodie Croyle was chosen in the third round of 2008, everyone was behind that move and saw him as the successor to Green. Unfortunately, that didn't pan out.

In 2008, most "informed" members wanted Matt Ryan. They saw past his supposed flaws and interceptions. Unfortunately, he was chosen before the Chiefs selected, so he wasn't an option. There were those that suggested Flacco as an alternative but the Chiefs selected Dorsey and Albert instead (the correct answer would have been Clady and Flacco).

In 2009, a very vocal group (myself included) wanted to see Mark Sanchez drafted, even though the Chiefs traded for Cassel. That didn't happen and instead, the Chiefs made the worst selection in franchise history.

In 2010, the consensus was split between Berry and Clausen. Very few people were unhappy with Berry's selection and as it turned out, Clausen has been a major disappointment (and would have been a disaster at #5 overall).

In 2011, the Chiefs moved back and selected Baldwin. Matt Cassel had just come off of his finest season as a pro and there was very little hope that his successor would be drafted that year. There was very little discussion of QB's.

In 2013, everything came to a head. New coach, new GM, new direction from ownership, etc. That management team traded for, what they saw, as the best available option. Every QB in this draft comes with great risk and after successive seasons of 4-12, 2-14, 4-12, 10-6, 7-9 and 2-14, 2013 was not the time to make a gigantic leap of faith or take a risk. How this move turns out remains to be seen but it would be shocking if Alex Smith did not outperform any of the QB's selected in the 2013 draft.

All of that said, I don't think there's a single soul that posts in this forum that does not want the Chiefs to take a QB in the first round in hopes of developing him into a Franchise QB. So for all your bluster, you are not alone, so stop acting as if you're the only guy on Chiefsplanet that wants the Chiefs to draft, develop and win championships.

It's old. It's tired. It's boring. But most of all, it's completely false.

RunKC 06-25-2013 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9775909)
Scouts and the NFL in general didn't like Colin Kaepernick, Russel Wilson and many other recent "drafted after the first round" quarterbacks, either.

I'm not sure about Kaepernick, but you're definitely wrong about Russell Wilson. Teams loved him. The only reason he was not drafted in the top half of the first round was his height.

He had basically everything you want from a QB, but ideal height.

DaneMcCloud 06-25-2013 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9775909)
Scouts and the NFL in general didn't like Colin Kaepernick, Russel Wilson and many other recent "drafted after the first round" quarterbacks, either.

But that's not true. There were plenty of scouts that liked Kaepernick and Wilson but they were overruled by their GM (the Chiefs included).

Wilson's issue didn't stem from athleticism, leadership, or ability. It stemmed from his height. Kaepernick was passed over because of his competition.
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9775909)
It's how these guys respond to adversity that will dictate if their draft positions were true, or fantastic steals due to following one of the best quarterback drafts in NFL history.

I just happen to think there are a few guys in this class that have 9" dicks and are trying to follow Lex Steel.

And I disagree. As I stated earlier, E.J. Manuel is the only guy that I can look at and say "Wow, this guy has all the tools to be a Franchise QB". Smith has issues, Wilson has issues, Barkley has issues, Bray has issues.

And had Buffalo not needed a strong-armed QB, it's quite possible that he'd have fallen to the second round as well.

There were no "clean" prospects in this draft, despite the narrative passed around Chiefsplanet for five brutal months.

DaneMcCloud 06-25-2013 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9775904)
Not happening. We will find a worthy QB every year and beat the board to death with him every day until the Chiefs actually do something worth two ****s at the position.

It is what it is, and I approve of this method wholeheartedly.

Who is this "we" you speak of? Not that it wasn't clearly obvious to anyone that's ever read your drivel, you've already admitted that you don't know anything about college players, scouting and so on.

You're a hanger-on. A hanging Chad. You have no original thoughts in your brain.

"We".

LMAO

O.city 06-25-2013 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9775927)
I'm not sure about Kaepernick, but you're definitely wrong about Russell Wilson. Teams loved him. The only reason he was not drafted in the top half of the first round was his height.

He had basically everything you want from a QB, but ideal height.

We've heard a lot of this after the fact from GM'S but it sounds a lot like revisionist history. If you love a guy that much, you draft him.

Tribal Warfare 06-25-2013 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9775938)
We've heard a lot of this after the fact from GM'S but it sounds a lot like revisionist history. If you love a guy that much, you draft him.

I concur

DaneMcCloud 06-25-2013 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9775938)
We've heard a lot of this after the fact from GM'S but it sounds a lot like revisionist history. If you love a guy that much, you draft him.

Loving a guy and investing a first or second round draft pick can be mutually exclusive.

O.city 06-25-2013 10:02 PM

If they see Alex smith as the least risky and best option, fine. As much as sweet whatever his name is or whoever will argue, they were right this offseason in the direction they took.

With that said, if that's the route you go, there won't be much wiggle room from the fan base if they don't win early and often.

Going the route they did us fine, but they can't go that route and win 5 games and expect patience.


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