I didn't put last years class because they've only played 1 year.

Amazingly, many people on this board consider Joe Flacco elite, yet, think Russell Wilson is a "system QB"

I randomly picked the 2007 and 2008 drafts, and took the teams' two 1st round picks. Tell me in each case if you would rather have drafted those guys or Russell Wilson.

If a team had more than one pick in a year, I took the guy closest to the 16th pick.

Out of 26 teams with two draft picks, I would take Wilson over 20 of them, I would take the two picks in 2 instances, and 4 are a draw. It seems that the value of two draft picks is less about getting two really good players and more about getting one great player, because those are pretty much the only instances where the two picks have equal or greater value than Wilson.

I probably should have known this because I'm always harping on the value of quarterbacks and on the value of proven veterans over draft picks. Can I change my vote?



5 Arizona Cardinals Levi Brown OT Penn State
16 Arizona Cardinals Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB Tennessee State

I'd take Wilson.

8 Atlanta Falcons Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas
21 Atlanta Falcons Sam Baker T USC

They also drafted
3 Atlanta Falcons Matt Ryan QB Boston College

I would take Wilson over the two linemen.

29 Baltimore Ravens Ben Grubbs G Auburn
18 Baltimore Ravens Joe Flacco QB Delaware

I'd take the Ravens' guys.

12 Buffalo Bills Marshawn Lynch RB California
11 Buffalo Bills Leodis McKelvin CB Troy

Tough one, but I'd go with Wilson.

25 Carolina Panthers Jon Beason MLB Miami (Fla.)
13 Carolina Panthers Jonathan Stewart RB Oregon

They also drafted
19 Carolina Panthers Jeff Otah T Pittsburgh

Probably Wilson.

31 Chicago Bears Greg Olsen TE Miami (Fla.)
14 Chicago Bears Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt

Wilson

18 Cincinnati Bengals Leon Hall CB Michigan
9 Cincinnati Bengals Keith Rivers OLB USC

Wilson

3 Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
22 Cleveland Browns Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame

Heh. Thomas is good, but I'd go Wilson.

26 Dallas Cowboys Anthony Spencer OLB Purdue
22 Dallas Cowboys Felix Jones RB Arkansas
They also drafted
25 Dallas Cowboys Mike Jenkins CB South Florida

Wilson.

17 Denver Broncos Jarvis Moss DE Florida
12 Denver Broncos Ryan Clady T Boise State

Wilson.

2 Detroit Lions Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech
17 Detroit Lions Gosder Cherilus T Boston College

Hmm. Might go Lions here.

16 Green Bay Packers Justin Harrell DT Tennessee

Not applicable.

10 Houston Texans Amobi Okoye DT Louisville
26 Houston Texans Duane Brown T Virginia Tech

Wilson.

32 Indianapolis Colts Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State

Not applicable.

21 Jacksonville Jaguars Reggie Nelson FS Florida
8 Jacksonville Jaguars Derrick Harvey DE Florida

Wilson.

23 Kansas City Chiefs Dwayne Bowe WR Louisiana State
15 Kansas City Chiefs Branden Albert T Virginia
They also drafted
5 Kansas City Chiefs Glenn Dorsey DT Louisiana State

Well, this is actually pretty close. While not a popular choice, I might go KC here, but it's kind of a draw.

9 Miami Dolphins Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State
1 Miami Dolphins Jake Long T Michigan

Wilson.

7 Minnesota Vikings Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma

Not applicable.

24 New England Patriots Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (Fla.)
10 New England Patriots Jerod Mayo ILB Tennessee

Wilson.

27 New Orleans Saints Robert Meachem WR Tennessee
7 New Orleans Saints Sedrick Ellis DT USC

Wilson.

20 New York Giants Aaron Ross CB Texas
31 New York Giants Kenny Phillips FS Miami (Fla.)

Wilson.

14 New York Jets Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh
30 New York Jets Dustin Keller TE Purdue
They also drafted
6 New York Jets Vernon Gholston LB Ohio State

Wilson, even though Revis is good. This one is close.

1 Oakland Raiders JaMarcus Russell QB Louisiana State
4 Oakland Raiders Darren McFadden RB Arkansas

Haha. Wilson.

15 Pittsburgh Steelers Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State
23 Pittsburgh Steelers Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois

Wilson. And Mendenhall, 9/11 was real.

30 San Diego Chargers Craig Davis WR Louisiana State
27 San Diego Chargers Antoine Cason CB Arizona

Haha. Wilson.

11 San Francisco 49ers Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi
28 San Francisco 49ers Joe Staley OT Central Michigan
They also drafted
29 San Francisco 49ers Kentwan Balmer DE North Carolina

Close. I might actually go 49ers, but it's a draw.

28 Seattle Seahawks Lawrence Jackson DE USC

Not applicable.

13 St. Louis Rams Adam Carriker NT Nebraska
2 St. Louis Rams Chris Long DE Virginia

Wilson

4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Gaines Adams DE Clemson
20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Aqib Talib CB Kansas

Wilson

19 Tennessee Titans Michael Griffin FS Texas
24 Tennessee Titans Chris Johnson RB East Carolina

Johnson had a good run. It's close, but I'd go Wilson. Probably a draw.

6 Washington Redskins LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State

Not applicable.

Don't lump me in that group. There is no such thing as an elite quarterback.

Nobody said Flacco was elite. Hootie just can't read.

Based on what I've read from him in this thread, he's the kind of person that would argue that Emmit Smith (running behind the best OL I've ever seen) is on the same level as Barry Sanders.

Not when his OL goes to shit.

Not to distract from the conversation, but was the Cowboys' line better than the Chiefs' line in the Priest era? I think that's a good discussion.

LT Mark Tuinei - 2 pro bowls
LG Nate Newton - 6 pro bowls (2 all pro)
C Mark Stepnoski - 5 pro bowls
RG Kevin Gogan - 3 pro bowls (Larry Allen took over after the two Super Bowls and was the starter for the third.)
RT Erik Williams - 4 pro bowls (2 all pro)

LT Willie Roaf - 11 pro bowls (3 all pro)
LG Brian Waters - 6 pro bowls (2 all pro)
C Casey Wiegmann - 1 pro bowl
RG Will Shields - 12 pro bowls (2 all pro)
RT John Tait - 0 pro bowls

Roaf and Shields run away with their positions, and Newton and Waters are a dead heat. Stepnoski beats Wiegmann, and Williams runs away with his heat.

Those are two firsts the past two years. Just using it as an example because you said you wouldn't give up 2 firsts.

Flacco is not elite. He's playoff elite though.

Wut?

Flacco is playoff elite, and Russell is not? Boy, that's rich.

He's not worth two firsts...and he is, and the rest of you are, are about to find that out.

In English?

The Wilson bashers are getting dumber in real time.