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DJ's left nut 03-10-2022 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16183630)
This sounds like a version of Whitey ball. There weren't a lot of home runs but it was way more exciting baseball than the current version. Let the millennial see this type of baseball and see if MLB can stop its slow decline with the public.
Like I said earlier - close to that, but I don't need it all the way to Whitey's Rugburners era.

I'm not against homers. They just can't be commonplace. Right now MLB is 'chasing the high' of homeruns and soon 40 homerun seasons won't be good enough, they'll need 50. Then 60. Then we'll be looking for ways to bring back the steroid era until homers just don't mean anything anymore.

The way to keep homers exciting isn't more of them, it's fewer of them.

Like I said earlier:

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Essentially I want 30 to be the new 40, 40 to be the new 50 (remember when 50 bombs was incredible?) and so on. And a lot of these 20 HR hitters would be like 6-8 homerun hitters and I'm just fine with that. A guy like Tommy Edman who's a switch hitter with little more than dead red pull power shouldn't have 11 bombs - he should have 5 or 6. Ian Happ hit almost entirely wall-scrapers last year; guy should've had like 12 instead of 25.

Power hitters should be an exception, not the rule.
The guys that hit bombs should be hitting bombs. I want the Ohtani's and Tatis's of the world with those majestic rocket shots to be truly exceptional. The game is just worse when someone like Marcus Semien can hang with those guys. Ian Happ is just a perfect example of the kind of guy that we should be looking to get out of the game. A league full of guys living off 370 ft homers while striking out 160 times and batting .225 while playing shitty defense anywhere you put him makes this game worse in every conceivable way.

In my world, Ian Happ isn't a big leaguer anymore and a guy like Kolten Wong never struggles for a second to get a halfway decent contract.

jd1020 03-10-2022 10:37 AM
The MLBPA came back today and agreed to work out how an international draft would work by July 25 and if they cant agree then the QO remains in effect.

:LOL::facepalm:

****ing morons. You had 2 years with no QO to make those same decisions and now you don't. But the league got tired of your bullshit and gave you the deal on the table and said take it or leave and you left it.

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DJ's left nut 03-10-2022 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16183825)
The MLBPA came back today and agreed to work out how an international draft would work by July 25 and if they cant agree then the QO remains in effect.

:LOL::facepalm:

****ing morons. You had 2 years with no QO to make those same decisions and now you don't. But the league got tired of your bullshit and gave you the deal on the table and said take it or leave and you left it.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instan...about-that.jpg
Good for the owners.

Start taking shit off the table every hour it doesn't get done. These MLBPA has WILDLY overplayed their hands. I'm guessing that when the union started seeing articles come out last night blaming THEM for the impasse, they realized the same.

"Good Faith" efforts, indeed.

Funny what happens when the press is merely being unfair to the owners instead of being a straight up propaganda arm of the MLBPA like they have been for the previous weeks. They started backing down after about 6 hours of press that was still slanted in their favor, just not as egregiously.

The MLBPA can eat all the dicks.

BWillie 03-10-2022 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16183825)
The MLBPA came back today and agreed to work out how an international draft would work by July 25 and if they cant agree then the QO remains in effect.

:LOL::facepalm:

****ing morons. You had 2 years with no QO to make those same decisions and now you don't. But the league got tired of your bullshit and gave you the deal on the table and said take it or leave and you left it.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instan...about-that.jpg
Why is there a distinction of an International draft vs a domestic draft? I've never understood that. All players should be in the same player pool to attempt to make the same amount of money. That is the most fair way to do it. There is just one draft in the NBA. Seems to work just fine.

DJ's left nut 03-10-2022 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16183870)
Why is there a distinction of an International draft vs a domestic draft? I've never understood that. All players should be in the same player pool to attempt to make the same amount of money. That is the most fair way to do it. There is just one draft in the NBA. Seems to work just fine.
International Game wasn't the pipeline it's become back when the entry draft started.

Then when it became a pipeline, teams didn't want them subject to the draft because it was an area where smart ballclubs could hoard talent under the radar and without having to 'wait their turn' via a draft. And they were relatively cheap.

Now teams are having to throw a LOT of money at them and it had become something of a wild wild west that managed to stay largely apart from the regulation the rest of MLB's 'talent procurement' processes were subject to.

Pepe Silvia 03-10-2022 11:00 AM
They should just let Gambini get the deal done at this point.

BWillie 03-10-2022 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16183884)
International Game wasn't the pipeline it's become back when the entry draft started.

Then when it became a pipeline, teams didn't want them subject to the draft because it was an area where smart ballclubs could hoard talent under the radar and without having to 'wait their turn' via a draft. And they were relatively cheap.

Now teams are having to throw a LOT of money at them and it had become something of a wild wild west that managed to stay largely apart from the regulation the rest of MLB's 'talent procurement' processes were subject to.
Sounds like it should be a regular draft. Everyone should get drafted together, then. International and domestically.

jd1020 03-10-2022 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16183912)
Sounds like it should be a regular draft. Everyone should get drafted together, then. International and domestically.
Just going to dilute the product and money.

BWillie 03-10-2022 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16183927)
Just going to dilute the product and money.
How is it fair to a latin kid who will get peanuts thrown at him but some HS senior with a big arm gets 10M more?

Everything should be in the same draft.

Not having them in the same draft - or an international draft - makes ball clubs be able to take advantage of cheap labor and exploit the latin player market.

jd1020 03-10-2022 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16183929)
How is it fair to a latin kid who will get peanuts thrown at him but some HS senior with a big arm gets 10M more?

Everything should be in the same draft.

Not having them in the same draft - or an international draft - makes ball clubs be able to take advantage of cheap labor and exploit the latin player market.
The international draft that is proposed starts with $5.5M slot money which is equivalent to pick 6 in the regular draft so I'm not exactly sure where you are getting your numbers from.

On the whole international players would be getting MORE money with the proposed draft. Just removing the corruption found in the current signing period where kids already have agreements with teams under the table long before they sign and taking a little bit of the money from the very top and spreading it around to the rest of the field of prospects.

dallaschiefsfan 03-10-2022 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16183690)
Again, I don't disagree that a deadened ball is an easier alternative.

But remember - I'm a benevolent God Emperor here.

The problem with just deadening the ball is that it also slows balls hit in play and on smaller fields, those still become outs. And frankly, I don't want to 'rob' hitters on hard contact. Nor do I want to do anything to make it easier for fielders - I want those guys to be badass to do the job.

So a deadened ball doesn't just stop homers, it makes hard ground balls less hard so it gives IFers another step. It takes balls that may have hit and run into a gap slow down so fielders can cut them off. It's the easy way to kill cheap power, but it's not the best way because it doesn't come with the ancillary benefits of creating more grass. More grass means wider gaps and more baserunning. It means OFers have to decide if they're going to play in on balls and risk having liners hit over them off the fence or if they're going to play back and cede those line drives that they may have had a play on.

It's just a better way of doing it. And ballparks don't sell out anymore anyway until the post-season. Nor are those premium seats anywhere but Fenway. So the owners shouldn't have a problem with it (invariably they will).

I'm not saying that un-juicing the balls doesn't have some merit. I'm just saying that it's an artificial way to get a watered-down version of the results I'm looking for.
I understand what you're getting at, but taking the ball back to a prior era PLUS the banning of shifts will actually create more than an off-set effect. The guys who just hammer the ball to the pull side will have no problem with a prior ball. The light hitters will be the ones that suffer...which is parallel to your point on no cheap home runs - no cheap shots through the infield holes or into the gap. Light hitters go back to being who they are.

Zap Rowsdower 03-10-2022 12:54 PM
Sounds like they are getting close.

KChiefs1 03-10-2022 01:01 PM
The MLB lockout thread
 
Latest MLB proposal, per source:

Luxury-tax thresholds - $230M to $244M over course of five-year deal. (increase of $2M in final year from last offer)

Pre-arb pool: $50M (increase of $10M)

Minimum salaries, $700K to $780K. (increase of $10K in final year)

3 p.m. “deadline.”

CBT thresholds remain an issue, as they always have been, but gap has narrowed. MLBPA last known: $232m-$250m. MLB $230m-$242m (and could change today). On accounting: does new prearb pool $ count? MLB wants player stipends for ASG, Derby, special events (int’l play) to count too


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KChiefs1 03-10-2022 02:12 PM
Team votes are coming on now (delivered by player reps) and so far they are in favor. So far players are going against the executive council.


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KChiefs1 03-10-2022 02:17 PM
The MLB lockout thread
 
BREAKING: Major League Baseball and the MLB Players Association have reached a tentative agreement on a new labor deal, sources tell ESPN. While it still needs to be ratified by both parties, that is expected to be a formality, and when it is:

Baseball is back.

Players vote is 26-12 in favor. Baseball will be back!

Union executive board vote was 8-0 against the MLB proposal but teams voted 26-4 in favor of it, carrying the day, Unusual that the general player population goes so far against player leadership.


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