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Setsuna 08-11-2013 10:02 AM

Another thing that I'm worried about is Cassel has one attribute better than Alex at this point and it's his toughness. He never shied away from getting rocked once he got flushed out of the pocket and decided to scramble for yards. Seeing Alex take that 2 yard loss made me feel like maybe he would rather lose yards than gain something or get back to the LoS and get hit. I hope he's not scared of getting injured again and plays it cautious. Even Manning scrambled when he absolutely had to.

Marcellus 08-11-2013 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9876261)
You already feel vindication? You've seen nothing yet. Except a good opening preseason drive.

This gets asked over and over, but what would you have done this off season. What QB, and what GM and coach?

That dude is one of the dumbest posters on CP and that's saying something.

He is right there with Clayton Bisby. Not 3 brain cells to rub together between the 2 of them.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 08-11-2013 10:32 AM

Does Moeaki moonlight as a GEIGO caveman?

Messier 08-11-2013 10:40 AM

I can't wait for the season to start and things to be settled in the field, one way or the other. I'll gladly say trading for Smith was a mistake if it doesn't work. I have a strong feeling it won't happen the other way. Sure some will say I was wrong about Smith if things go well, but others, like this guy, will hide, waiting for a bad game.

ShortRoundChief 08-11-2013 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint (Post 9876293)
Does Moeaki moonlight as a GEIGO caveman?

What's a GEIGO caveman?

ShortRoundChief 08-11-2013 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9876253)
Like milkman was saying earlier, we still don't know shit about Alex or how he will do.

I'm willing to call him "fine." But just fine, though. I don't think I'd even call him good yet until I see him in the regular season.

It's kind of like watching a rookie or a young first-year starting QB. Except without the hope of watching a star bloom before our eyes.

So basically his range is from awful to fine to you. Glad you're approaching this with an open mind.

SAUTO 08-11-2013 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9876305)
So basically his range is from awful to fine to you. Glad you're approaching this with an open mind.

He did say he might call him good if he plays well in the regular season
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RealSNR 08-11-2013 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9876305)
So basically his range is from awful to fine to you. Glad you're approaching this with an open mind.

What Jason said.

Right now he's fine. He doesn't suck.

He can change that in either direction. Based on what I saw from him as a San Francisco QB, though, I'll be surprised if he elevates his play to good.

SAUTO 08-11-2013 11:26 AM

I wouldn't put snr in the category that will find a reason to bitch no matter what.
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-King- 08-11-2013 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WakkaWakka (Post 9876255)
I've been saying all offseason that we got another Cassel! This is ****in 2009 all over again!

All off season? Who are you?
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WakkaWakka 08-11-2013 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9876299)
I can't wait for the season to start and things to be settled in the field, one way or the other. I'll gladly say trading for Smith was a mistake if it doesn't work. I have a strong feeling it won't happen the other way. Sure some will say I was wrong about Smith if things go well, but others, like this guy, will hide, waiting for a bad game.

Untrue, I will be here, for the record, I want the Chiefs to succeed, I just don't think it's gonna happen with Alex Smith. If he proves me wrong, I will eat crow, and I hope I do. But until then I will go on believing this trade was a giant and colossal failure.

-King- 08-11-2013 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clayton Bibsby (Post 9876266)
Another thing that I'm worried about is Cassel has one attribute better than Alex at this point and it's his toughness. He never shied away from getting rocked once he got flushed out of the pocket and decided to scramble for yards. Seeing Alex take that 2 yard loss made me feel like maybe he would rather lose yards than gain something or get back to the LoS and get hit. I hope he's not scared of getting injured again and plays it cautious. Even Manning scrambled when he absolutely had to.

Psst ... Smith has more yards rushing the last 2 years than Manning and Cassel combined.

Like I tell SDH, you should really stick to piggy backing opinions. You're terrible at coming up with your own. You cant troll effectively like that.
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SAUTO 08-11-2013 11:41 AM

Setsuna needs to quit trying to be clay. It isn't nearly as cute as he thinks it is
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Tribal Warfare 08-11-2013 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9876254)
Again, I want to see the regular season, but if this is how Alex is going to play in the regular season, we're ****ed. We've got another Cassel.

Matty NEVER tried those downfield throws unless he was forced to.

Alex is a shitload more injury prone too so getting rid of the ball ASAP should be priority one. Which means he'll likely go to shorter routes more often just to survive the season.If he does survive without missing games.

Messier 08-11-2013 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 9876394)
Alex is a shitload more injury prone too so getting rid of the ball ASAP should be priority one. Which means he'll likely go to shorter routes more often just to survive the season.If he does survive without missing games.

Cassel was very injury prone.

Tribal Warfare 08-11-2013 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9876399)
Cassel was very injury prone.

It was mostly his fault too for holding onto the ball too long the guy took alot of punishment due to this issue.

Hammock Parties 08-11-2013 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WakkaWakka (Post 9876222)
Our savior!! LMAO

“@Lance_THESPOKEN: Smith's pass deflected by Jackson. #Chiefs”

“@Lance_THESPOKEN: I'm thinking maybe they signed Daniel to make Smith look better? Idk, just me thinking out loud on Twitter. #Chiefs”

“@Lance_THESPOKEN: Smith overthrows DMC in the endzone. #Chiefs”

“@Lance_THESPOKEN: Smith overthrows Avery. #Chiefs”

“@Lance_THESPOKEN: Smith sacked in 11 on 11s. #Chiefs”

“@Lance_THESPOKEN: Smith scrambles for 2. Defense looks good. #Chiefs”

“@Lance_THESPOKEN: Smith has to scramble again. Wow. #Chiefs”

“@Lance_THESPOKEN: Smith overthrows Baldwin by a mile. #Chiefs”

“@Lance_THESPOKEN: Smith sacked by Hali & Dunta. #Chiefs”

“@Lance_THESPOKEN: Idk if that incompletion was a bad route by Wylie or a bad pass from Smith. Maybe both. #Chiefs”

“@Lance_THESPOKEN: Houston swats Smith's attempt short for Knile. #Chiefs”

“@Lance_THESPOKEN: Sean Smith bats down Smith's pass to Baldwin. #Chiefs”

“@Lance_THESPOKEN: Smith forced to scramble for a couple. #Chiefs”

“@Lance_THESPOKEN: Smith overthrows Moeaki down the middle. #Chiefs”

“@Lance_THESPOKEN: Smith overthrows Wylie. #Chiefs”

“@Lance_THESPOKEN: Smith fakes to the left, hits Moeaki for a loss to the right. #Chiefs”

“@Lance_THESPOKEN: Smith calls another timeout. Not very good clock management today. #Chiefs”

“@Lance_THESPOKEN: Smith back in, gets sacked by 51. #Chiefs”

“@Lance_THESPOKEN: Smith sacked again by Zombo! #Chiefs”

Holy shit. What is that, four sacks in 19 attempts?

And in a practice.

JFC

Messier 08-11-2013 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9876572)
Holy shit. What is that, four sacks in 19 attempts?

And in a practice.

JFC

Lets project that over a season.

Mother****erJones 08-11-2013 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clayton Bibsby (Post 9876266)
Another thing that I'm worried about is Cassel has one attribute better than Alex at this point and it's his toughness. He never shied away from getting rocked once he got flushed out of the pocket and decided to scramble for yards. Seeing Alex take that 2 yard loss made me feel like maybe he would rather lose yards than gain something or get back to the LoS and get hit. I hope he's not scared of getting injured again and plays it cautious. Even Manning scrambled when he absolutely had to.

You're right Cassel would shit his pants instead. Don't talk like you know about the chiefs. You're a jag fan.

Mother****erJones 08-11-2013 01:00 PM

@superdj56: Pre season mindset is that it's never as good as you think it is and never as bad as you think it is. Just focus on getting better.

mcaj22 08-11-2013 01:14 PM

i was guessing about 3 or 4 sacks per 20 attempts and got laughed it.

it's still going to be true with Alex Smith whether you like it or not, sacks and injuries are his downfall

aturnis 08-11-2013 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9876233)
I find it hard to believe everything is overthrown and off. Every single pass? Huh. Well I'm not there but Lance sounds like he's a hater.

You'd be wrong. Lance is definitely not a hater.

Messier 08-11-2013 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9876718)
i was guessing about 3 or 4 sacks per 20 attempts and got laughed it.

it's still going to be true with Alex Smith whether you like it or not, sacks and injuries are his downfall

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9876739)
You'd be wrong. Lance is definitely not a hater.

Is it Lance Vesser?

aturnis 08-11-2013 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9876242)
... and if Alex was completing every pass, you would simply state that preseason accomplishments are meaningless. Can't have it both ways. :)

Stupid post is stupid.

aturnis 08-11-2013 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9876252)
We'll see. Carpenter I know has a beef. On the third down pass to Fasano he had a defender draped on him, he wasn't wide open at all.

Wow your dumb.

Hammock Parties 08-11-2013 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9876746)
Is it Lance Vesser?

It's Lance "The Spoken," who is an incredibly idiotic kid who thinks people care about his Chiefs opinions.

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-King- 08-11-2013 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9876749)
Stupid post is stupid.

So what do you think of Alex when he shredded the defense the last 3 TC practices before this one?

Messier 08-11-2013 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9876754)
Wow your dumb.

Oh shut your yap

Messier 08-11-2013 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9876754)
Wow your dumb.

I'm right you moron.

aturnis 08-11-2013 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9876760)
So what do you think of Alex when he shredded the defense the last 3 TC practices before this one?

My comment is based solely on his post.

If a player or team succeeds in preseason, out its in fact just preseason. Don't get to excited. Temper your expectations.

If a player or team struggles in preseason, you absolutely should worry. Good players should stand out in training camp and preseason. If not, you might at least expect a slow start to their year as they may not be prepared.

aturnis 08-11-2013 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9876766)
I'm right you moron.

How does one pass in a preseason game against an unprepared and bad Saints defense price Carpenter has a negative agenda?

Don't call everyone with criticism a hater...Dumbass.

Messier 08-11-2013 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9876816)
How does one pass in a preseason game against an unprepared and bad Saints defense price Carpenter has a negative agenda?

Don't call everyone with criticism a hater...Dumbass.

Do you ever listen to Carpenter idiot?

Setsuna 08-11-2013 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9876387)
Psst ... Smith has more yards rushing the last 2 years than Manning and Cassel combined.

Like I tell SDH, you should really stick to piggy backing opinions. You're terrible at coming up with your own. You cant troll effectively like that.
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I've never seen a more ridiculous statement. How can one be terrible at coming up with an opinion when it's MY opinion. You either agree with it or you don't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9876391)
Setsuna needs to quit trying to be clay. It isn't nearly as cute as he thinks it is
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I am my own person. If you have something to say then address me and say it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9876639)
You're right Cassel would shit his pants instead. Don't talk like you know about the chiefs. You're a jag fan.

The times he didn't, he scrambled. Don't act like he didn't give his body for extra yards when he scrambled.

Messier 08-11-2013 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9876816)
How does one pass in a preseason game against an unprepared and bad Saints defense price Carpenter has a negative agenda?

Don't call everyone with criticism a hater...Dumbass.

How were the Saints unprepared? Weren't the Chiefs just as unprepared?

SAUTO 08-11-2013 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clayton Bibsby (Post 9876834)
I've never seen a more ridiculous statement. How can one be terrible at coming up with an opinion when it's MY opinion. You either agree with it or you don't.


I am my own person. If you have something to say then address me and say it.


The times he didn't, he scrambled. Don't act like he didn't give his body for extra yards when he scrambled.

ok you need to take clay's cock and balls out yo mouth
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Setsuna 08-11-2013 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9876842)
ok you need to take clay's cock and balls out yo mouth
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Alright buddy. We're done here.

SAUTO 08-11-2013 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clayton Bibsby (Post 9876872)
Alright buddy. We're done here.

Figures
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aturnis 08-11-2013 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9876837)
How were the Saints unprepared? Weren't the Chiefs just as unprepared?

Their ones struggles on both sides of the ball. Unless you think our second string defense is actually better than the Saints staying offense, then you have to assume the Saints were unprepared. Whereas the Chiefs were as prepared as we've ever seen them in preseason game one.

Rausch 08-11-2013 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clayton Bibsby (Post 9876872)
Alright buddy. We're done here.

That's what Clay would say...

Rausch 08-11-2013 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9876885)
Their ones struggles on both sides of the ball. Unless you think our second string defense is actually better than the Saints staying offense, then you have to assume the Saints were unprepared.

I think both teams played fairly vanilla.

I think the Saints defense is almost complete $3it and hiring the brother of the foot-fetish-clan-of-teh-NE area isn't going to change that overnight.

On top of that there was almost none of the typical Saints offense you'd see under Hazzy.

Mav 08-11-2013 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9876900)
I think both teams played fairly vanilla.

I think the Saints defense is almost complete $3it and hiring the brother of the foot-fetish-clan-of-teh-NE area isn't going to change that overnight.

On top of that there was almost none of the typical Saints offense you'd see under Hazzy.

exactly.

aturnis 08-11-2013 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9876900)
I think both teams played fairly vanilla.

I think the Saints defense is almost complete $3it and hiring the brother of the foot-fetish-clan-of-teh-NE area isn't going to change that overnight.

On top of that there was almost none of the typical Saints offense you'd see under Hazzy.

To my point. Vanilla has zero to do with how prepared a team is or isn't.

Messier 08-11-2013 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9877196)
To my point. Vanilla has zero to do with how prepared a team is or isn't.

It also has nothing to do with the play I was talking about. Regardless of the teams preparedness, the defensive player was covering Fasano well, Smith threw the pass to a covered player. Making a comment like Smith will only throw to wide open people is wrong. No need to argue, Carpenter said it, its not true. The end.

Rausch 08-11-2013 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9877196)
To my point. Vanilla has zero to do with how prepared a team is or isn't.

My bad. I didn't know those were flowers...

aturnis 08-11-2013 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9877310)
My bad. I didn't know those were flowers...

Wanna get high?

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-11-2013 04:18 PM

I don't piggyback shit. My hate is long-standing, established, and well ****ing known.

So suck it, -Queen-

aturnis 08-11-2013 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9877357)
Wanna get high?

Seriously though.

milkman 08-11-2013 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9877303)
It also has nothing to do with the play I was talking about. Regardless of the teams preparedness, the defensive player was covering Fasano well, Smith threw the pass to a covered player. Making a comment like Smith will only throw to wide open people is wrong. No need to argue, Carpenter said it, its not true. The end.

I don't remember the specic tweet being discussed, but it could be that he's talking about wide open receivers in the deep zones, which is what many of us are concerned about.

the Talking Can 08-12-2013 07:16 AM

bumpski

Chris Meck 08-12-2013 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9876754)
Wow your dumb.

classic.

the Talking Can 08-12-2013 07:27 AM

Quote:

Jay Binkley @3guysinagarage

Hemingway and Lane still not practicing
Retweeted by Arrowhead Pride
hemmingway has had a good camp, but he needs to get his ass on the field during a game...the timing of injuries can really **** guys trying to just make a roster

keg in kc 08-12-2013 07:30 AM

Vermeil's can't make the club in the tub mantra. Just bad luck. :(

Rasputin 08-12-2013 07:47 AM

So I hope E Fisher hand problem is now in the past & he is ready to go full blast. I don't want this hand "injury" to affect his play to be made up as an excuse for his career.

Mr_Tomahawk 08-12-2013 07:58 AM

Adam Teicher‏@adamteicher2m
Baldwin just threw deep pass for Wiley after taking an end around. Wobbly throw but it got there

LMAO

Rasputin 08-12-2013 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9878328)
Adam Teicher‏@adamteicher2m
Baldwin just threw deep pass for Wiley after taking an end around. Wobbly throw but it got there

LMAO


Is that play going be saved for regular season or they going open it up preseason against the 9ers? lol

warrior 08-12-2013 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9876284)
That dude is one of the dumbest posters on CP and that's saying something.

He is right there with Clayton Bisby. Not 3 brain cells to rub together between the 2 of them.

:D

Rasputin 08-12-2013 08:44 AM

Jason Madson @Jason_Madson
Houston just tipped a Smith pass at the LOS, Poe dove to make the interception. Great play by the defense. #ChiefsCamp



Like this from Poe!

Rasputin 08-12-2013 08:46 AM

Nick Jacobs @Jacobs71
Jamaal Charles riding in the front seat of the cart headed back to the facility. #ChiefsReplyRetweetFavorite
7m
Adam Teicher @adamteicher
Charles is now leaving field on a motorized cart



This not good :shake:. Man I hope JC is ok

-King- 08-12-2013 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9878400)
Nick Jacobs @Jacobs71
Jamaal Charles riding in the front seat of the cart headed back to the facility. #ChiefsReplyRetweetFavorite
7m
Adam Teicher @adamteicher
Charles is now leaving field on a motorized cart



This not good :shake:. Man I hope JC is ok

Most likely going to the restroom. ...hopefully.
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-King- 08-12-2013 08:49 AM

****. He was limping off the field according to Danny Parkins.
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OnTheWarpath15 08-12-2013 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9878400)
Nick Jacobs @Jacobs71
Jamaal Charles riding in the front seat of the cart headed back to the facility. #ChiefsReplyRetweetFavorite
7m
Adam Teicher @adamteicher
Charles is now leaving field on a motorized cart



This not good :shake:. Man I hope JC is ok

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9878411)
****. He was limping off the field according to Danny Parkins.
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You two assholes should be banned for posting tweets/news.

Rasputin 08-12-2013 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9878456)
You two assholes should be banned for posting tweets/news.

:) This is a good one


Reid Ferrin @KCChiefs_Reid
Bray to Bellamy in the back corner for the score, meanwhile, J Powe with a the great inside move, winning the rep

ShowtimeSBMVP 08-12-2013 09:22 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Smith a nice pass to Baldwin. Drop. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Chiefs&amp;src=hash">#Chiefs</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/statuses/366942677905833984">August 12, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Baldwin being Baldwin

Hammock Parties 08-12-2013 11:35 AM

Strained foot according to reports.

Coach Reid: "Jamaal Charles hurt his foot. He had an x-ray done on it; it was negative. It was a foot strain,"

Carlota69 08-12-2013 11:52 AM

I dont see any negative posts about A Smith today. Did he not practice or something????:hmmm:

Quesadilla Joe 08-12-2013 07:14 PM

Peter King's Chiefs training camp recap http://mmqb.si.com/2013/08/12/video-...fs-alex-smith/

(it's a video, I couldn't find the embed code)

Tribal Warfare 08-12-2013 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 9879606)
Peter King's Chiefs training camp recap http://mmqb.si.com/2013/08/12/video-...fs-alex-smith/

(it's a video, I couldn't find the embed code)

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TimBone 08-12-2013 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9878784)
I dont see any negative posts about A Smith today. Did he not practice or something????:hmmm:

I finally got to take a trip to St joes. I've been at the last two practices and I've been impressed by Alex. It's put my mind at ease a little bit. All the qb's made some nice throws today. Baldwin sucks big time. Can't get open, and when he did today, he dropped an easy catch in the end zone.

Hammock Parties 08-12-2013 10:21 PM

sweet pic

http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2...SM1.St.81.jpeg

Hammock Parties 08-12-2013 10:22 PM

lol

http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2...3Zp.St.81.jpeg

AussieChiefsFan 08-12-2013 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gochiefs(exceptQB) (Post 9880299)

Now that is awesome.

AussieChiefsFan 08-12-2013 11:27 PM

I felt this was worth posting LMAO

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...04130938_n.jpg

kcxiv 08-12-2013 11:31 PM

Peter King talked alot, but said absolutely nothing outside of Ried wanting Smith in the past. lol

Mav 08-12-2013 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 9880433)
Peter King talked alot, but said absolutely nothing outside of Ried wanting Smith in the past. lol

Peter King is becoming more and more aloof as the years go by.

You should read the write up on the chiefs done by one of his dopes.

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/07/27/kansas...-2013-preview/

Quote:

In the 43 years since the AFL-NFL merger, four teams have won at least 10 games the season after posting the league’s worst record: the 1975 Colts, the 2004 Chargers, the 2008 Dolphins and the 2012 Colts. It may be another 43 years before we see a team as well positioned for that kind of turnaround as the 2013 Chiefs. Like 11 of the last 16 clubs that have drafted first overall, the Chiefs enter this season with a new head coach (Andy Reid). Like 10 of those 16, they have a new quarterback (Alex Smith). For good measure, there’s also a new general manager (former Packers director of college scouting John Dorsey).

But the optimism in Kansas City does not stem as much from the changes in leadership, but rather from what this team already was. The 2012 Chiefs may have been the best 2-14 team in NFL history—and that’s not being facetious. Recall that two years before 2012, virtually the same club won the AFC West.

The Chiefs’ 2012 face-plant was the result of atrocious quarterback play and a minus-24 turnover ratio, which tied for the second-worst differential the NFL has seen in 22 years (the 2000 Chargers were minus-28). A disproportionate chunk of Kansas City’s 37 turnovers—16, to be exact—came inside its own 30-yard line. (For some comparison, the Colts, who led all AFC playoff teams with 20 total turnovers, lost the ball just twice inside their own 30.) This partly explains why the Chiefs did not play with a lead for even one second in the first nine weeks of the season.

Ironically, the other team that had a minus-24 turnover differential last year was Reid’s Eagles. But that was an aberration: Reid has always been a pass-happy play-caller, but his teams have never been known for carelessness. Turnovers shouldn’t be an expected problem for the Chiefs. For one thing, turnovers—particularly fumbles—involve a lot of random chance, which is why they’re statistically flaky from year to year. For another, new quarterback Alex Smith’s main strength is ball security.

Of course, that’s also illustrative of Smith’s mediocrity. (Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers don’t throw many interceptions, but no one would ever cite “ball security” as their top attribute.) This is why eyebrows raised when it was announced that Kansas City had traded the 34th overall pick in last April’s draft to acquire Smith back in March.

As the Niners showed, you can win with Smith at the helm. But to do so, you must be great in just about every other area.

OFFENSE

To have any shot at being genuinely competitive, Jamaal Charles must be the featured weapon. Coming off ACL surgery, Charles last season showed his usual unparalleled speed and lateral agility, leading the AFC with 1,509 yards rushing. His career 5.8 yards per carry is more than a half-yard better than previous all-time leader Jim Brown (minimum 750 carries).

Reid, who will call plays while first-year coordinator Doug Pederson learns the ropes, hasn’t always been big on running the ball. Charles, a so-so receiver, can get additional touches on screen passes, which are a staple in this West Coast system. Charles should also have little trouble getting into space on straight handoffs. Not only does he have speed and acceleration around the corner, but he’s also playing in a system full of zone-blocking schemes that attack the perimeter. In Philly, Reid had a similarly agile back in LeSean McCoy; a staggering 146 of McCoy’s 200 carries last season went wide outside.

Kansas City’s offensive line has the athleticism for wide run-blocking. The interior is average with steady-but-unspectacular Jon Asamoah at right guard, rotund center Rodney Hudson back from the broken leg that landed him on IR last September and unimpressive 2012 second-rounder Jeff Allen hoping to fend off veteran pickup Geoff Schwartz at left guard. Collectively, though, these men can move well enough to keep up with the outstandingly athletic bookend tackles.
(Jamie Squire/Getty Images)In his three full seasons as a starter, Jamaal Charles has averaged an amazing 5.9, 6.4 and 5.3 yards per carry. (Jamie Squire/Getty Images) -
The addition of No. 1 overall pick Eric Fisher could add ranginess to both tackle spots—with Fisher assuming the job on the left side, Branden Albert will move over to the right. (The Chiefs have initially kept Albert at left tackle and used the rookie on the right, but we’ll see if that arrangement holds up.) By traditional standards Albert is probably overqualified to play right tackle. But the league-wide rise of hybrid defensive packages has reduced the importance of distinguishing between left and right tackles. Coaches build their blocking schemes around helping one side in pass protection, but they don’t care which side (especially since the now-ubiquitous shotgun alignment leaves the quarterback without a “blind side”).

The Chiefs may not have to help either side in pass protection. Nice as that is, it’s not significant enough to justify drafting a tackle first overall. Fisher might turn out to be sensational, but with more spread concepts and quicker pass timing throughout the NFL, there’s no way he (or any offensive lineman) can resoundingly impact a game. Unless left outside runs become Kansas City’s overwhelmingly preferred method of attack (they won’t, because that’d be too predictable), this offense won’t be radically different with Fisher at left tackle than it would have been with the heavier-footed-but-serviceable Donald Stephenson.

If the Chiefs really wanted to ignite their offense, they would have spent the No. 1 pick on a unique game-changer like Tavon Austin. Of course, that type of player can sometimes become a positionless, rudderless Dexter McCluster-type—that might be too great a risk to take with the first overall pick. Then again, isn’t it risky trying to win with a bland passing attack?

The Chiefs are hoping that Dwayne Bowe can give their passing attack enough flavor. The seventh-year pro’s numbers dropped last season—59 catches, 801 yards, three touchdowns—but Dorsey and Reid recognized the decline was mostly a product of shoddy quarterback play. Bowe does not have the speed and quickness to command constant double teams, but he’s a firm interior possession target capable of getting over the top. He needs more help around him, though. Former 2011 first-round pick Jon Baldwin remains far too unpolished and perplexingly sluggish as a route runner.

If Baldwin doesn’t make a quantum leap, new No. 3 receiver Donnie Avery could wind up being the No. 2. Or, it could be last year’s fourth-round pick, Devon Wylie, given that the fast-footed Avery has struggled with injuries and drops over the years. Wylie played only 80 snaps in 2012 but looked like a potential Lance Moore type.

Even though the Chiefs traded for fullback Anthony Sherman and drafted another fullback, sixth-rounder Braden Wilson, as well as 227-pound third-round back Knile Davis (who will compete with incumbent backup Shaun Draughn), multiple tight ends could figure prominently in the offense’s foundational sets. The formation versatility of San Francisco’s dual tight end sets helped Alex Smith by keeping defenses in base looks. Veteran Anthony Fasano was brought in to start alongside incumbent Tony Moeaki, who is looking to regain the on-the-move run-blocking and seam route-running skills that he had prior to tearing his ACL in 2011. Fasano isn’t versatile enough to split out wide, and he’s adequate but not sensational as a solo blocker. He can still be a fine puzzle piece, but the Chiefs are likely yearning for third-round rookie Travis Kelce to develop quickly. But “quickly” could mean “two years” given that Kelce didn’t see significant playing time until his senior year at Cincinnati.

As for Smith, Arrowhead patrons will be tempted to think the 29-year-old can suddenly be a star. But if he could, he’d be one by now. Smith can be better than Matt Cassel, but there are limitations in his game. He’s a smart person but doesn’t have a quick enough football mind to be a progression passer from the pocket. That’s why 49ers coaches almost exclusively called one- or two-read pass plays with him. Smith’s athleticism is good, not great, and his arm strength is at least a full notch below that. Nevertheless, Smith’s patience and discipline as a game-manager gives this offense a chance to at least be competitive.

DEFENSE

Reid always ran a 4-3 in Philadelphia, but he has smartly decided to keep predecessor Romeo Crennel’s 3-4 foundation intact in K.C. Despite the Chiefs’ propensity last year for giving up big plays (46 over 25 yards, tied for the most in the AFC), a 3-4 is indisputably the best scheme for its talented core players. Reid hired former Jets linebackers coach Bob Sutton to coordinate things. Sutton is well-versed in a variety of schemes; during his 13-year tenure in New York, he coached a 4-3 Tampa-2 under Herm Edwards, a traditional two-gap 3-4 under Eric Mangini and an attacking hybrid under Rex Ryan. He could diversify some of the Chiefs’ sub-packages.

Sutton has the ultimate centerpiece to build around in veteran Derrick Johnson, the versatile ninth-year linebacker who is coming off a third consecutive career-year. His sensational fluidity in space is complemented by his increasingly keen play recognition. He takes great angles in run defense, blitzes with controlled ferocity and has a sharp sense for finding receivers and passing lanes. Best of all, his once overly-finesse style of play has been fortified by a newfound appetite for physicality.

But as shown by Kansas City’s 135.7 rushing yards allowed per game last year (sixth most in the NFL), Johnson can’t carry the front seven alone. There must be stauncher gap control along the D-line, and the Chiefs have the resources. Athletic nose tackle Dontari Poe, who has light feet and plays with natural leverage, improved rapidly as a rookie. It will be at least another year or two before the first-rounder fully ripens, but with Jerrell Powe and Anthony Toribio providing quality depth, that’s fine.

Defensive end Tyson Jackson is a finished product given he has four seasons under his belt. With iffy initial quickness, Jackson hasn’t had the impact one would expect from a former No. 3 pick, but he can be a respectable run defender. On the other side, ex-Jet Mike DeVito will be an upgrade over another underachieving high first-rounder, Glenn Dorsey (now a Niner). DeVito is a high-octane, low-to-the-ground penetrator who can disrupt multiple gaps. He also anchors well against the run, which is why he’ll start ahead of incumbent sub-package defensive lineman Allen Bailey, who has not stood out when given full-time snaps.
Justin Houston broke out last season, to the tune of 10 sacks in his second year. (Jamie Squire/Getty Images)Justin Houston broke out last season, to the tune of 10 sacks in his second year. (Jamie Squire/Getty Images) -
Last season, according to Football Outsiders, 48.3 of the Chiefs’ 135.7 rushing yards surrendered each week came against dime personnel. The Chiefs played dime instead of nickel because the coaches did not believe any of their inside linebackers other than Johnson could survive in coverage. When offenses went three-wide, the Chiefs’ D went three safeties, with Eric Berry in the box. Whether the new coaches follow this approach will depend on how they view new inside backers Zac Diles and Akeem Jordan. Diles flashed early in his career but never fully blossomed. Jordan, who played for Reid in Philly, is inconsistent but has some athleticism.

Playing Berry in the box again would not be the worst thing—he is physical and has a hunter’s mindset. His primary focus must be on improving in coverage. Berry was a liability in man-to-man much of last season and often showed poor peripheral awareness in zone. To his credit he got better toward the end of the year, but he still has a way to go to fulfill his star potential.

Joining Berry in centerfield will be Kendrick Lewis, a mundane fourth-year pro. It’s possible fifth-round rookie Sanders Commings could compete here, though he played cornerback in college and broke his collarbone on the first day of training camp. Quintin Demps could push for playing time, though he was a mistake machine with the Texans last year. A more attractive option might be nickelback Dunta Robinson, who is comfortable making reads in space. The main concern would be whether Robinson is a strong enough tackler to serve as the last line of defense. He’s a good hitter, but delivering hits and making firm tackles are two different things.

Atlanta cut Robinson in part because he’s not a great pure man defender. That could complicate Sutton’s sub-package coverages because the corners on the outside are built to play press-man. Brandon Flowers is one of the best boundary defenders in the league. He uses his size extremely well downfield and rarely gets challenged because his man rarely gets open. Newcomer Sean Smith is a strong, lanky athlete. However, he must get sharper against outside comeback routes from off-coverage. If he doesn’t, Robinson could start ahead of him.

The bottom of the cornerback depth includes Commings, who was strictly a boundary corner at Georgia, and Jalil Brown, who was a vulnerability while playing 23 snaps per game last season. This means the Chiefs are dangerously dependent on Robinson, as he’s their only viable option for the slot.

If Sutton adopts a lot of the tactics he learned under Rex Ryan, Kansas City’s interior defensive backs will have to get familiar with blitzing. But that may not be mandatory, as Sutton has what Ryan never had in New York: dynamic edge-rushing linebackers. Tenacious eighth-year pro Tamba Hali is as good as anyone when it comes to dipping blocks and generating pursuit off second effort. Sinewy third-year pro Justin Houston seems to become a more refined pass rusher by the minute. He and Hali, however, are not good at dropping into coverage, which could discourage Sutton from borrowing many of Ryan’s zone blitz concepts. Hali and Houston also aren’t helped much by the guys around them. Last season the pair combined for 19 sacks, while the rest of the defense had eight. (Kansas City’s 27 total sacks tied for 29th in the league.)

SPECIAL TEAMS

Kicker Ryan Succop has good range but needs to be a little more consistent at the intermediate levels; he’s 35-for-46 (76.1%) on field goals from 30-49 yards over the last two years. Ninth-year punter Dustin Colquitt is coming off his first Pro Bowl. With Javier Arenas getting traded to Arizona, the return duties are up for grabs. Shaun Draughn can handle kicks; punts will be determined in camp.

BOTTOM LINE

The Chiefs have a potentially dynamic run game and a potentially dynamic defense. That makes them a potential Wild Card contender (but that’s a best case scenario).
The first part that I bolded, was absolute garbage. To my knowledge, they have never had Fisher at Left Tackle. Mind you, this was done TWO WEEKS AGO.

To the second. Not a single mention of Nico Johnson......

Mr_Tomahawk 08-13-2013 07:57 AM

Jay Binkley‏@3guysinagarage4m
Smith to Baldwin..pick 6 Flowers

Mr_Tomahawk 08-13-2013 07:59 AM

Reid Ferrin‏@KCChiefs_Reid51s
QBs during the drill were a combined 7-10 with one INT #ChiefsCamp

Mr_Tomahawk 08-13-2013 08:32 AM

Chase Daniel with the under thrown deep ball. Vince Agnew with the INT. #Chiefs

Mr_Tomahawk 08-13-2013 08:36 AM

Nick Jacobs‏@Jacobs711m
Daniel with a deep ball to Devon Wylie on the 9 route. Hits him in stride. Wylie drops it in the endzone. (Best deep ball from Daniel)

Mr_Tomahawk 08-13-2013 08:38 AM

Nick Jacobs‏@Jacobs719s
Bray with a good ball to Frankie Hammond on the deep in. #Chiefs

milkman 08-13-2013 08:40 AM

Never thought I'd say this.

I miss those sorryass camp reports from the River Falls staff.


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