Call me spoiled, but I don't care if the Chiefs win the division. I don't care if they win a playoff game and I don't care if they make it to the AFC Championship game... I want them to either make it to the Super Bowl or win it. And I think there are a couple pieces that may be a barrier for them to do so...and it makes me red in the face with steam coming out of my ears to think about.

staylor...that was before DJ, SNR, and I reformed the MOB... NWO style on his candy ass :)

I thought inexperience wasn't a big deal?

There are 2 proven pro bowl vets coming back. If they're playong at the level they have in the past, the defense will be improved.

So, yeah, obviously there's a difference.

But one of the pro bowl players hasn't practiced or been around the team in however long, and the other one has some injury issues.

It's not as cut and dry as you think

All pros not just PBs...big difference.

That's when we were talking about Marcus Peters and ****ing Phillip Gaines.

Shit, even Nelson has much more experience, and is clearly not as lost as either of those guys. March might be a second year player, but he didn't get the work Nelson did his rookie year on the practice field, and it shows. He's basically a rookie too.

You were shitting your pants all off season about Peters and Gaines inexperience, but you don't think experience is an excuse for how poorly the defense played with essentially 3 rookies that started on Saturday?

So when inexperience shows to be a problem, it's now an excuse that you thought would happen?

Dude, if you can't see the difference between Marcus Peters and Phillip Gaines going into 2016 vs. White, Murray, and March, I don't know what to tell you.

We were talking about guys that have played and proven that they can play, not a few relatively unknown rookies.

And I absolutely think it's an excuse for why the defense looked bad. Hopefully, we aren't relying on those guys early in the season.

My point here, is that there's a pretty distinct possibility that we have to.

Phillip Gaines is a complete unknown right now. We don't know what he's gonna be if he can't practice yet.

It's pretty obvious now though, that experience at the corner position is more important than you thought, in this scheme

It's preseason.


Good teams aren't going to show a damn thing, and if they do they're stupid.

That's why things look ****ed up.

Hopefully.

It's one thing to get beat schematically. It's another to get physically beaten.

What? Gaines has been practicing all throughout training camp. They've just been taking it easy on him just like every single other guys that is returning from injury this year. Boss said he looked fine back when he saw him at camp. He'll be ready by week 1.

There's a good possibility he plays this week.

Think Berry will sign & report the day after the Chicago game? I'm thinking that's when he'll do it.


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I hope. I'd like to see him get some run.

Camp reports haven't been very good ok him, but who knows

Fixed.

I'll take Paylor, Jacobs, and Boss's word over that ****ing tool.

Yea, just checked, Carpenter said that bullshit early on when Gaines was barely even practicing. He was trying to knock Wilson and Gaines for basically being hurt.

Four Observations from Tuesday’s Practice
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News and notes from Chiefs practice


The Kansas City Chiefs are back from training camp in St. Joseph, Missouri.

Tuesday marked the first practice at home in Kansas City since the 2016 preseason began, and head coach Andy Reid had the team right back in pads.

Here are some items to note:

1. A number of players returned to the football field.

Quarterback Tyler Bray, who suffered a chip fracture in his cervical spine against the Seattle Seahawks, was back taking snaps after Nick Foles.

Cornerback Phillip Gaines (ACL), who was held out against the Los Angeles Rams, was back on the field.

Finally, running back Charcandrick West (elbow), who was also held out against the Rams, was back on the field.

Linebackers Justin Houston (knee), Josh Mauga (groin) and Dezman Moses (glute), fullback Trey Millard (knee) and defensive lineman Rakeem Nunez-Roches (back) did not practice.

2. LB Tamba Hali (knee) and RB Jamaal Charles (ACL) were both on the field.

Tamba Hali had yet to practice all offseason and preseason, but finally returned to the football field Tuesday. He was in pads and even participated in team drills.

3. Brian Parker did individual group work with the running backs.

With FB Trey Millard currently out due to a knee sprain, Brian Parker was seen working out with Eric Bieniemy and the running backs group during individual work, the part of practice open to all media.

Parker could be serving as the backup fullback to Anthony Sherman until Millard is able to return.


4. Despite this being the third preseason game, Andy Reid is still not game planning.

The key this week for Andy Reid will be getting the players into the routine of a regular week, rather than getting into any game planning.

With the game against the Chicago Bears on Saturday, the Chiefs treated Tuesday’s workout as a regular-season Wednesday, and the rest of the week will follow suit—Wednesday will be Thursday, Thursday will be Friday and Friday will be the team’s regular day off before the game at 12:00 p.m. CT on Saturday.

“We’re back into a regular schedule here,” Reid said earlier this morning at his press conference. “Not a ton of game plan other than getting the guys used to a new routine here from what we had at training camp.

“We’re still trying to add plays, and get ourselves better and make sure we have all the situations covered.”

Exactly the case. LOTS of questions surrounding Gains (and others) and I told staylor that the other night in almost your exact words. This is exactly why I was so concerned when we lost Smith. The problem is worse without a pass rush. Could get UGLY on defense very quickly. Shoot, it already is.

Why wait, haven't they already broken camp?

I'd like to see Charles get a series this weekend. Just get hit a few times then be done.

And this whole houston situation is weird. Mmqb was about the chiefs today iirc, the way they made it sound, no one has any idea when he will be back. That's just a weird time line and recovery to me.

I would be surprised if he played this year at this point

I kind of get that vibe as well

So did Houston make knee worse by continuing to play on it?

Charles looked extremely limited in the videos.

They did say he tore something in the playoff game, but not the acl...and that his acl never got torn, just hyperextended.

I'm not panicking about the defense yet. They will probably struggle some early having to rely on youth to fill Smith's shoes but I have to think a couple of the young guys will develop to at least be serviceable by mid season. Hell, they won 10 games a couple years ago with Marcus Cooper starting as a rookie.

It's going to take more than a couple preseason games to get their feet wet. Even Peters had his struggles the first half of last year before turning into an absolute stud.

I kind of wonder if he refused to get the surgery done earlier or something.

Saw someone tweet about Schefter saying Berry would report within the week.

Yeah I had a pt tell me they heard that on Sportscenter today

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I'd just like to see Charles get a couple carries to get his first hits in and get him out. Knock some rust off. Maybe he doesn't need it this time around but it's what I'd do.

Like a lion on the savannah

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http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/08/23/n...ng-camp-report

He's playing at some point this year

I dunno. It's weird, I'm not sure they know when he's gonna play

I understand why you feel that way, but I just don't think Dorsey comes right out and says he's going to play this year if that isn't the case. Who knows at this point though?

No doubt Houston is out for the year. Sad but true.

Well, I wish you would have told us all earlier. I assume you are Houston's doctor and have intimate knowledge of his recovery schedule. You could have saved everyone a lot of wasted time discussing Houston's status if you would have just posted this earlier. :rolleyes:

Houston had his ACL torn by Dr. James Andrews and basic ACL surgery was completed.

If it takes more than 9 months for Houston to come back, something has seriously gone wrong or the Chiefs lied to us about the another injury (PCL/MCL).

Saying "he'll play at some point this year" gives yourself such a wide range. I'm skeptical at this point we see him this year. Weird stuff.

He did tear one of those in the playoff game, for sure.

I still think he returns after the bye.

I did post it earlier. I am his Dentist.

Care to wager?

"Our doctors have assured us he will play this season."

There's not a whole lot of room for a different interpretation of the exact quote.

Well, yeah. You can interpret it as, we don't know when he'll be back, but it will be this year.

Like I've said, I don't think they know when he'll be back and that I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't play this year

Think about it. They expect him back this season. If they didn't, he would be on IR, not PUP.PUP allows them to bring him back. IR does not.

You can have a guy on IR and Pup and both can come back.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2016/3/2...turn-rule-2016

The NFL announced a rule change on Wednesday that will have a notable impact on rosters this fall. The league changed the injured reserve with return designation so that you no longer have to designate the player ahead of time. Teams are still only allowed to bring one player back, but they can bring back any one player they've placed on injured reserve.

No rush; they can IR him whenever they want.

The PUP is where you'd keep him if he never practiced. It's where you'd squirrel anybody you could unless the rules wouldn't allow it (i.e. they've practiced at some point).

Since Houston hasn't practiced, there's no point in putting him on the IR at all. They'll leave him on the PUP to maintain flexibility until week 6 (IIRC) as I believe that's when PUP eligibility runs out.

I don't think it runs out at 6 weeks actually. If I'm not mistaken, that is just the earliest that he could come back. I think there is a window of, I believe, 21 days that he can begin to practice, then that starts a clock of another 2-3 weeks that the decision must be made to activate him to the roster or IR him.

You may be right.

But like I said, if you can keep him on the PUP, you'd keep him on the PUP. The fact that he isn't on the IR is expected and putting him on it would do nothing but take away some roster flexibility.

It doesn't mean he won't make it back, but it certainly doesn't mean that he will. In the end, it probably means nothing.

Yeah. I get that. I just think that the only reason to keep that flexibility an option is if the team believes that he has a shot at coming back this year. If they are certain that he won't be back, then why bother with keeping options available?

They aren't certain. I don't think that's ever been a doubt.

But even if they were 99% sure he wouldn't come back, why would they IR him? 1% is 1%.

Sure. What did you have in mind?

Go for free dental work

Careful, these dentists are shady. You might wake up with a clown face painted on and your mouth will taste like Lavoris and cock

We may be shady, but we are passionate Chuefs fans.

I just don't see Houston hitting the field this season.

The biggest disappointment so far has to be KeiVarae Russell. Guy can barely get on the field in preseason.

Did not expect that from him.

Houston has never said anything but he will play this year.

He will be back.

Eric Murray has looked just terrible.

He's learning a new position while also trying to adjust to the NFL game.

He's a corner playing safety for the first time in his life, so that's understandable.

Russell is a corner that can barely get on the field in preseason. DJ White is already ahead of him and the guy can't beat out Marcus Cooper.

Overreact much?

I know he's your boy but you have to admit that it's weird that White is getting a ton of playing time in both preseason games and Russell is barely seeing the field.

I honestly couldn't tell you what number he's wearing without looking it up since he just hasn't been out there.

Did you know that Halitosis is a made up 'disease'?

Listerine flat out created it from whole cloth when they were struggling to convince people that they had bad breath (because people obviously recoil from the suggestion).

So instead, they sold it as a treatment to a 'disease' you could have and never know. "Oh sure, your breath smells like ass, but it's not your fault...you have halitosis..."

Dentists then started pushing Listerine as a cure.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-...954082/?no-ist

Shady goddamn dentists...

Yup.

Apparently Russell needs more work with playing in the slot and might be this year's Steven Nelson.
Idk why we're holding him back when Nelson and White both play the slot and can do it now.

Agree, Run. Murray is a very good tacker. I think he'll be fine, but he's gonna need some time.

So far, Russell has been disappointing. While DJ White looks like he belongs in the NFL. Wouldn't surprise me if he ended up as the best of the bunch.

Halitosis is just the medical word for bad breath.

It's a thing, trust me.

My eyes were watering this morning from the Vicks vapor rub I had to lop under my nose under my mask this morning to treat my last pt.

Well I know bad breath is a thing.

But it took some hellacious marketing brilliance by Listerine to convince people that it's a 'disease' that they needed to treat with a product that was previously being used to scrub floors.

Well, marketing brilliance and complicit huckster dentists...

Dentists are still shady as ****.

Oh, yeah Listerine is pretty much worthless.

Of course people will beleive anything. Dude this afternoon refused a root canal, opting for TE instead, because he read root canals cause cancer.

Ok?

Sorry.

I guess you'll have to get regular leather instead of the stuff from the hand massaged cows on your Bentley.

I know that's going to be a hell of a sacrifice for you.

I've heard that before also. Any truth to it?

Root canals don't cause cancer.

I didn't think so, but I'm a hypochondriac that can always use the reassurance. Lol

You're dying, we all are.

Only if we are in the race for the playoffs.

:(

It's bullshit. That stuff doesn't ride as good.