I don't know if Adams should be starting at all right now. Ride it out with Munoz at third.

I’d rather have Munoz at 3B and Carp at 1B.

I like Munoz as a versatile guy who can fill in all over the field, I just think giving Big City some regular at bats has the potential to get him hot again. He really hasn’t had that opportunity in the last couple of months.

Go for the higher reward at least for a bit to see if he can figure it out again.

I’ve seen enough of Adams starting. He needs to be the LH PH off the bench. That’s it.

Weaver got so mind****ed trying to nibble against Votto that now he's terrified to go into the zone.

his issue all year has been trying to nibble on the corners, make the perfect pitch. Lately he has lost command of the fastball, pitching behind in the count. For him, that’s a hole you can’t dig out of very easily.

WTF is Garcia starting over Munoz if it’s not for defense? He’s looked below average out there. Garcia is on the bag to take the throw as any little leaguer knows, the guys out by a mile. Ruined Baders fantastic play.

Just a cluster**** of a managerial job by Schildt that inning. He's damned lucky it didn't bite them in the ass. Not only did they not challenge the play at second, but then he leaves Weaver in so he can keep digging towards China, only getting up Webb again after he loads the damned bases. It's a minor miracle it's not 7-0 right now.

its my understanding that all managers in baseball challenge or not challenge based on the recommendation of their staff watching the replays. Whatever decision yes or no they go with. The only managerial decision is when it’s 50/50.

You have to PH for him in that instance. Use the expanded rosters.

This ump is a Grade A one who sucks the penis.

Martinez and Ozuna with two of the worst ABs you'll ever see.

God damn it.

What he said!^^^^

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those are fantastic seats.

Schildt,

Get off your ass and get Martinez out of this game. He cannot throw a ****ing strike.

Munoz has a ****ing cannon.

you go guys!

Mother**** you, Martinez, you ****ing bitch.

Just win this game.

Mother**** Bud Norris.

JFC! Quit closing with Norris. :shake:

**** Norris and **** Martinez. They literally cost this team two wins the last two days. Choking ****ing ****s.

4 straight balls not even close to the strike zone. Jesus Christ.

And here we go.

This was predicted weeks ago. Anyone could have seen this coming since ****ing early July, but they just keep rolling this piece of shit out there.

Why the **** do managers put so much trust in these assholes? ****ing bullpen roles just kill teams. He's not "the closer", he's a ****ing asshole who isn't good enough to start. That's all he is. If he's not getting outs, get some other asshole who isn't good enough to start in there.

Bud Norris sucks

bases loaded and no outs. 1 run to win the game and failed. Bases loaded one out. Schildt puts Martinez in again and he fails again. Norris loses the game last night. Throws 30 pitches, right? He puts him in the next game, a day game. Blows the lead doesn’t look sharp. Then Schildt let’s him continue to pitch after coughing up the lead until the winning run is in scoring position. WTF kind of managing is that shit?

Adams is hitting below the Mendoza line since July, he has shown no power. Why is he starting over Munoz who can hit and has power?

Let's walk it in.

Looks like Schildt benefited from the dead cat bounce of the Matheny firing, because he's managed like a goddamned idiot for the last several days (and his bullpen mismanagement has been little better than Matheny's since his hiring).

That was Matheny level stupid management. Absolutely abysmal.

It's a good thing the Cardinals don't have Daniel Murphy, Voit and Pham right now.

If anything I wish the Cardinals would actually get a real closer.

I'd settle for a manager that realizes that matchups and leverage are far more important than having a "closer". Your best reliever should face their best hitters late in the game, regardless of if it's in the 7th or 9th inning.

If the last month has taught us anything, it should be that you can take fringe-y starting pitchers from AAA and make them decent relievers.

I hate Bud Norris. Walking from the Nats stadium now


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If Wainwright is serious about wanting to help the team win, he needs to take his corpse to the bullpen instead of giving us 3-4 innings per start like he’s about to do.

I’ll agree that pitching to Harper wasn’t ideal but Ross pitching to Rendon isn’t much better. But let’s be honest, if Bud ****ing Norris does his job than this team is still on a hot streak. Bud Norris and Greg Holland can go blow each other.

Yeah, we're not disagreeing with each other. Norris should not have been in that game, period. I ****ing loathe defined roles for relievers.

Oh and Ozuna’s arm needs a proper burial. I’ve seen high school kids make better throws than that bs.

as soon as he got his contract things changed. Before he was pulling pitchers in the 4th inning, before the game got of hand. Now he’s back to this Matheny BS “He’s my guy” you just got to believe.

No matter the players opinion personally of Adams, they know he’s hitting below the Mendoza line. Again, it’s the BS mentality of we have to get a player “going. Why do we need to get Adams going? Since he was put in the starting lineup, he’s dead weight.

Except I don’t think Schildt will put up with Norris gagging away games much longer. I expect to see Carlos closing out games soon.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Really like Shildt a lot but must say this: numbers have been screaming “Danger” on Norris for a while now. I’m disappointed Shildt is locked into an outdated orthodoxy. Must use designated closer ... must use closer ... must use closer... must use closer.</p>&mdash; Bernie Miklasz (@miklasz) <a href="https://twitter.com/miklasz/status/1036711149474140160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 3, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I know some of you are not as high on Flaherty as I am and I’m not saying he’s the new Scherzer but the wind up similarities are striking.

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Jesus Christ this team. :facepalm:

Most wins in team history for August and we are going to go 0-4 to start Sept blowing winnable games the whole time.

And Cards have walked 17 batters in 14 2/3rd against the Nationals so far.

And our pitching sucks again. Nice thinking we would make the playoffs for a while.

It's clear Schildt doesn't understand leverage. You don't bring in one of your worst relievers to face the heart of their order with multiple runners on just because it's relatively early in the game, especially with expanded rosters.

Keep hitting homers. You're probably going to need another six runs to win this game.

His early extension is looking worse and worse. There was absolutely no reason to do it until after the season.

Im guessing the idea was to show the team he was rewarded which would keep them happy and clicking.

Instead it seems to have made them go soft and get all comfy again.


We need Wong back at 2nd base something fierce as well.

Jesus Christ is this game being played at Wrigley with a 30mph wind blowing out?

This was Mo’s guy. He found him. Developed and promoted him as a manager. Vouched for by Larussa, Molina, Oquendo and every minor league coach who coached with him. All of our young players loved playing for him in the minors. He was going to be our next manager.

Pham is hitting .300 since being traded. Meanwhile, this shit-sucking clown Martinez keeps loafing around RF like an idiot and killing every rally in sight.

Way to pick up your teammates, Yadi. Thank the **** Christ.

dont care. The trade needed to be made. He was inconsistent and we needed a roster shake up. Bader needed to start and see if he could play everyday. 3+WAR so far. 3 straight days with bases loaded fail. That’s got to be a record.

Ozuna-Bader-Pham

Fowler was still an semi-everyday player at that point, right. He was when he got hurt. I hope they are moving on now.

He was, but he shouldn't have been, being basically the worst non-Chris Davis player in baseball.

:facepalm: This has to be close to a record for walks in 2 games.

Just piss poor management of this inning from the top down. Leone is still getting back into form and Schildt stretches him out beyond his breaking point, then brings in the always shaky/shitty Brebbia to clean up the mess, and now that he can't, he has to go to Hicks.

Jesus Christ this bullpen got bad in a hurry.

It's been bad the whole time. Mo's moves didn't do anything. Their FIP was still one of the worst in baseball last month, and their K/9 was the absolute worst. They got by on batted ball luck for a month, but it has and will be a shit pen.

6 run lead in the 9th and they still needed to bring in Hicks. :shake:

leon has good movement on his pitches. Not his fault he was left in when he ran out of gas. Hudson was good. Webb’s a rookie. I’m not ready to say our bullpen is as bad as the June version.

It's worse.

from an Atlantic article:

The bullpen has seemingly been a strength with a 3.44 ERA over the last 30, but they’ve put up less sexy peripherals along with that ERA. They were actually the second-worst bullpen in the National League over the last month by FIP-based metrics due to having the worst strikeout rate and the second-worst walk rate in baseball during that period.

Jordan Hicks has been great, but he has also contributed to the walk problem with eight walks in 12 games. And everyone behind him has lost the plate, too. Only Tyson Ross has a good walk rate, and he’s struck out four batters in 13 innings.

I have Denver Bronco level hate for the Nats - congrats guys!

Whether the Braves or Phillies or both make the PO's - nobody from the East will contend very well in the playoffs - there's a ****ton of talent this year and teams are really ****ing good. Our division just sucks.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Without a doubt, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stlcards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#stlcards</a> bullpen is the biggest weakness of the team. <br><br>Since ASB:<br><br>▪️20.4% K rate (10th worst in MLB)<br>▪️10.0% BB rate (2nd highest in MLB)<br>▪️4.34 xFIP (10th worst in MLB)</p>&mdash; Cardinal Metrics (@CardinalMetrics) <a href="https://twitter.com/CardinalMetrics/status/1037175658013704192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I said it a couple of weeks ago - the bullpen, even when it's getting outs, is constantly behind in the count. Hicks and Hudson are the worst about it, Norris was getting more and more wobbly. Last night it looked like Leone was making a concerted effort to just fire strikes with a big lead but suddenly he couldn't throw a strike that wasn't a BP fastball.

Brebbia pitched poorly enough to get cut, IMO. Weaver just cannot throw strikes without guiding his pitches and so he can either have good stuff or good command but hasn't been able to demonstrate both (that was Tui's biggest issue). Martinez has been a godsend out there but we all know how he will occasionally just lose the thread.

If they can't start throwing strikes, especially strike 1, they're going to be lucky to back into the playoffs. I don't think it will impact them in a WC game because I think you'll see Shildt try to ride his SP and Martinez for as many innings as possible in that game. But if they manage to get past it, I just don't see how they can win a short series with a bullpen that just cannot get ahead of hitters.

There is like 300 people at this game

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KILL KILL KILL KILL!!!

Damn I missed that. Hard not to love watching the kid play.

He wasn’t starting over Munoz. He had a rough first 25 or so at bats, but given regular at bats the last two seasons he is going big fly about every 15 at bats. You don’t set that on the bench while Jedd and Wong are hurt. Garcia is the one expendable thanks to Munoz.

Bader has to catch that but **** this goddamn bullpen. Ridiculous.

And here they go, shitting away a big lead yet again. :banghead:

Good lord

Don’t worry, I’m sure someone will inform Shildt after he wakes up from his nap.

These guys need to be told you throw strikes or your ass is out of the game.