The fact that we signed Nieman to a 1 year deal and tendered Ward makes we wonder if we are not hoping someone would give us a 3rd for Ward. We gave him a 2cd round tender but there was something about getting one less round because he was an UDFA originally???

First, i don't think Fisher and Reiff are a wash. I think Fisher, when healthy, is a better tackle.

Second, i get everyone is buying into the hype train on Niang based on draft projects and that one time he played Chase Young, but the dude is far from a sure thing. He won't have played football in 2 years, he's effectively a rookie and came off a major injury. Remmers is a weakness.

This team did all it could to mask the deficiencies of our Oline. The lack of protection killed our vertical passing game.

Because Reid and Mahomes are so awesome it doesn't show in raw sack numbers.

Effectively the Oline will still be a weakness as it was last season. It was a weakness ALL season mostly due to injury. But those injured guys aren't coming back either.

tl;dr: If Reiff and Niang are our bookends then our line will still be viewed as shaky. And rightly so.

And again....all that can change. But as of right now, our options look shaky.

If this is to be trusted, then I’m completely fine with Reiff for 2-3 years and drafting a long term replacement.

Exactly. What options even exist?

You can't fix something w/o tools and materials.

Maybe something is materializing on the back end, a major trade or something.

As of right now, there's no one on the table that makes you go, "dang, he'll make this line BETTER than last years". And yes, it needs to be better so we don't have to limit what our skill players can do to compensate for poor protection.

But that's the thing. We don't even KNOW what the tackle position is going to look like this year come Week 1. Still a lot of stuff to sort out and it's literally day 1 of FA. Mitch was a brokedick or on IR all year, so shouldn't be hard to upgrade that. Fisher was very average in his play last year, so we'll see how that turns out. The interior was absolute shit last year. With signing Thuney and returning LDT, it will be better (maybe not substantially, but it will be better). Who knows what they'll do with C? Allegratti? A FA center? Draft someone to play? It's all a big question mark at this point.

I guess my general feeling is that our O-Line was absolute trash this year, when taking into account the situation with the interior, Schwartz being injured from Day 1 and Fisher's play (for whatever reason) declining this season. It's amazing that we only lost one game this season (don't count Week 17) and that it didn't really come to bite us till the Super Bowl. With overall AVERAGE O-Line play this year, this team goes 19-0 and wins it all again. The O-Line is ultimately what decided our season in the end.

So I personally don't think we can really do much worse. Much like I felt with the defense at the end of 2018. Blow it all up and start over. Veach did. They're now doing the same thing with the O-Line after what we witnessed all season and especially in the Super Bowl. Veach doesn't stand pat. He will address it. I am glad they are basically starting from scratch. It needed to be done at some point (with Mitch and Eric's age starting to come into play). Glad Veach has the balls to do it.

But I would just caution everyone, being that it's Day 1 of FA, let's not all freak out and wait and see what all is done on the O-Line. If we're in the same position come Week 1 of the NFL season that we're in now, then I'll worry.

Till then, you have the floor Mr. Veach.

Reiff next to Thuney is better than Fisher next to Allegretti. At least in my eyes.

Not how it works. I posted about that previously.

Here it is again:

All im saying is this: As of RIGHT NOW, the oline situation is a mess.

Im not bothering trying to project week 1 starters because who the **** knows what will happen between now and then.

As of right now, looking at the most obvious options on the board, it doesn't look promising. I don't see any FA options that will come in and improve our line from last season.

Of course, that could all change with a trade or w/e.

But if we go into the season with Reiff/Niang or Niang/Rookie, you can expect the Chiefs to get crushed by the media and fans alike until the Chiefs prove otherwise. And rightly so.

I guess we’ll go into the season with Thuney and Long. Not ideal.

I mean just a quick look at the run block and pass block win rates goes to show that it’s pretty much a wash. One was a slightly better run blocker, while the other is a slightly better pass blocker. You can argue against that all you want, but it’s not much of a difference overall.

And yea, I’m confident that Niang will be an upgrade over Remmers.

Also, I’m sorry, but if you think last year OL would’ve been an issue with a much better interior, you didn’t pay attention to the 2020 season. We would’ve been fine with Fishers and Remmers and a significantly improved interior.

If Niang doesn't get injured in 2019 while at TCU, he's a 1st rd pick and year 1 starter at Tackle in the NFL. The guy has serious talent and is going to be perfectly fine for the Chiefs at RT. Our focus needs to be filling that gaping hole at LT, and I have ALL the confidence in the world that BV is going to get a deal done that will shore up the OL.

Absolutely it is.

Not saying that is ultimately the way they will go, but that would be better.

Just because Silverback is gone doesn't mean there aren't options out there to upgrade the O-Line. Our GM LITERALLY just went after the BEST Guard AND the Best LT available in free agency this year. He got one of them.

Everyone just needs to relax and give Veach some time to figure it out. People should trust that he knows what he is doing by now.

Ok so it is that way for all tenders where a player was tendered higher than he was drafted. The max we could get is a 3rd rounder out of Ward.

Does anyone think Niang might be an option at LT now that our options are limited? And what RT options might we pursue if they settle on Niang for LT?

That's because Allegretti doesn't belong in the conversation.

As of the time of this post the Chiefs have one quality lineman and one guy with potential that hasn't played ball in two years. We have another guard that, prior to this offseason, Chiefs fans thought was one of the weakest links on the line and wanted him gone, and the best guy left on the table is a lateral move at best.

Sorry, but that doesn't induce any warm and fuzzies.

Veach is going to have to pull a walrus out of a hat. He can do it, but you should be able to understand why there's skepticism.

there is absolutely no reason to panic.

Veach didn't clear all that cap room for nothing.

Let's let the man work.

I get it but I also realize this is literally three days into the offseason.

I'll take a wash at o-line if we can get a good WR2 and decent TE2

There are still some solid LTs available plus upgrades at center.

WBF

It's not going to be 'a wash'.

People are OVERREACTING!

Kansas City last year 1.) Rolled to a 14-1 regular season record 2.) Would have blown the doors off the Browns in divisional round playoff game if not for a freak injury to Mahomes 3.) Did absolutely blow the doors off the Bills in the conference championship game with a hobbled Mahomes.

All of that with our starting right tackle (Schwartz) and starting left guard (Osemele) injured and another two potential starters (LDT and Niang) opted out. Everyone step away from the freaking cliff. Its never as bad or as good as it seems.

We ran into a freaking buzz saw in the SB against a defense who was out for blood and revenge after being embarassed in the regular season. We had a SECOND STRING offensive line and our all world QB playing on one foot. That many injuries and opt outs would have WRECKED any offensive line unit in the league. Add one more piece through free agency and another piece or two in the draft and our offensive line will be just fine.

That doesn't change what's available.

It's simply a matter of not enough quality guys available with out making a huge move to acquire someone on a team, or moving up in the draft.

Veach will have to make a big move somewhere because there simply aren't any cornerstone type linemen in FA this year.

Either that or we're gonna be reading a whole lotta fluff pieces in the offseason and hoping Reid works some magic with some relatively weak options.

How many teams out there have cornerstones along their offensive line?

The SB really did completely distort many people’s perceptions of the 2020 OL overall.

We coasted to the SB with well below average IOL play and slightly above average T play.

As I was saying earlier...

What do you think they cleared all that cap room for?

They didn't jump in on a DE Day 1 as all the best guys went. They still went ahead and officially cleared it EVEN AFTER Trent Williams agreed to stay in San Francisco.

They're going to do something with the OL. Some combination of FA, trade, and draft.

People really think a front office that works through as many scenarios and backup plans as this one does is just going to make the moves it did and then count on getting ONE player?

No. Way.

Lol, no one is over reacting. WTH are you talking about. We're discussing the current situation.

Just because a take isn't all sunshine and rainbows doesnt mean it's over reacting either.

Im well aware our GM makes big moves. Im well aware there's a ton of time left.

What im saying is, there will NEED to be a big move, otherwise, yeah, on paper our 2021 Oline will be rather pedestrian considering the obvious options that remain.

Wouldn't it make sense that they cleared it for Williams?

We cruised to the Super Bowl with multiple starting lineman injured and two others opted out. Yeah dude you are freaking overreacting!

One starter on the OL will come from the draft. I'd imagine it's the C.

They were on Williams at LT. I dunno what else there is out there thats gonna take up much money. I'd rather take the money and go for depth vets everywhere anyway at this point.

I'm not worried.

I'm anxious, to see what Veach is going to do.

I have NO doubt he's got several contingency plans in place, and trust his judgement.

There are many ways you could go and still have an improved line from last season. There is ZERO chance it won't be better than what we trotted out in the SB.

And Veach blew the damn thing up because below average IOL and slightly above average T play did in fact cause issues.

Veach has a lot of work to do with not much resources (in terms of quality bodies) to do it with.

Shut up.

Ok, lol, well sure. I'd ****ing hope so.

There are probably 31 other teams with better OL's than what we had in the SB.

The SB isn't even a point of conversation. That atrocity is a rarity.

Slightly above average play at LT. We didn’t have shit after Schwartz except Reiter and he was serviceable.

No one outside of KC will be impressed with Reiff and Niang as tackles? Who ****ing cares! We just signed an elite guard and have arguably the best QB, WR and TE in the league. Sorry Veach can't put all pros at every single position for ya!

Shut up!

Paperwork hadn't been completed this morning when Williams' return to San Francisco was announced.

They still went ahead with it.

They could have backed off one of those moves and saved cap room down the road if they didn't have a plan to spend it.

That doesn't mean they're signing another FA OL starter (Reiff, Villanueva, David Andrews, Russell Okung, Nick Martin). There are lots of different ways this could go.

Plan A didn't work out. Doesn't mean Plan B = an OL that is as bad as the one in the Super Bowl.

They literally did tender him. WTF?

Reiter was a sieve. C'mon man, this place was cursing his name all season. Jesus, they even benched his ass for a game.

We're trying to pass off serviceable JAGS as good enough now.

No dudes, i don't think that's what Veach had in mind when deciding to rebuild the line.

If the argument is, "Hey, as long we got some warm bodies, we'll be fine", ok...i guess. But that's not what i had in my head.

I'm sure the Chiefs can throw warm bodies out there and hte offense will still perform at a playoff level. But i thought the standard was higher than that.

This would be perfect. Juju for what 16/yr and Dunlap for...12?

I meant to say Remmers.

A decent LT is gonna drop to us imo as not many teams are LT needy. If an LT with a similar grade to Niang makes it to 31 then why shouldn't they be able to start? It's scary but if we could get a vet like Okung too for insurance then i'm all for it. Having two young tackles on the cheap would be massive for this team moving forward.

why don't we wait and see before we start bitching is all I'm saying.

The conversation started about people being "butthurt" over the Chiefs signing a skill player. I stated that the media won't care, as they'll focus on our lack of protection. They'd probably even throw shade at teh Chiefs for seemingly neglecting the position.

Hence my comment about public perception and narrative.

If you werent a ****ing dumbass and followed along you wouldn't have made such a pointless post.

But they had cleared it all before hand for that is all I’m saying.

They will pivot for sure. We’ll just have to see what happens but there’s zero chance they trot out a shit ol

Again with the public perception. Who ****ing cares! Grow some thicker skin.

Bengals
Chargers
Raiders
Colts
Vikings
Bears

Every one of those teams has a need at tackle

Huh? If you’re referring to LT then you can remove the Raiders and Vikings from that list.

It's the lack of rumors that sucks

Well we also didn’t hear shit about Thuney until we signed him. Same thing for Mathieu, Watkins and Hitchens.

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Might have missed out here.

No, he doesn’t fit this defense.

what bitching?

LMAO

LMAO

Not even 3 days. Free agency officially started at 4pm eastern TODAY. So 2 hours and 15 minutes ago.

This thread is ****ing ruined now. Gotta love CP.

Yeah, but it still sucks not hearing anything. Rumors are fun.

All in all, I hate the idea of trading up to get a rookie LT to start day 1, but I also trust Veach to have the best available guy on our roster if it’s possible. Having bookend tackles for 4 years on rookie deals is appealing.

Also, improving our WRs also helps the protection and when Sammy wasn’t healthy this offense wasn’t the same.

We need another stud receiver to force teams to play us without bracketing Hill AND Kelce.

That’s almost as big of a problem as the OL.

Have we done anything yet?

We got a day and a half of rumors with Trent Williams.

I wish Beach cared as much as we do. He obviously doesn’t give a SHIT!!!!!!

Everyone getting good deals lol.

We’re missing the sale Verch!!

Golladay likely heading to NYG, mutual interest and a visit scheduled

This dumb shit has not, and never will be funny.

Yeah, I get this.

Former Bears' Pro Bowl guard Kyle Long, who came out of retirement this off-season, is signing a one-year deal worth up to $5 million with the Kansas City Chiefs, per source.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Former Bears&#39; Pro Bowl guard Kyle Long, who came out of retirement this off-season, is signing a one-year deal worth up to $5 million with the Kansas City Chiefs, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1372315408636604419?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bet Long replaces LDT.

Gross.

It’s a body/number. Cost is low. I don’t see much downside.

Between LDT, Long, and Wylie, they’re going to find a good RG and have quality G depth.

“Up to $5M...” means it’s probably a really low base, maybe low enough for a creative exception that doesn’t even hit the cap.

Backup guard at worst, replacement for LDT at best. Now go get a center and a LT.

Yeah I kinda like it.

Don’t we still have Rankins too?

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Just going to set this here and let ChiefsPlanet do what ChiefsPlanet does to people like this.

Austin Reiter ... great center. LOL.

Get a LT or a center now and fill the other spot in the draft?

Sign Andrews and Reiff, then draft a T early.

Get an experienced LT and a C in the draft. The C will be surrounded with experience to help offset his knowledge level whereas a LT from the draft is on his own on an island out there.

Now get JuJu

**** yes.

Riley Reiff
David Andrews
Juju Smith-Schuster
Carlos Dunlap

Niang proved a lot playing injured at TCU. He had a first round grade and scouts did not know he was playing hurt.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles...l-combine-2020

If surgery and rehab and conditioning have gone as planned, he is going to be a fixture at one of the tackle spots and play great.

If that all happened and people will really hate this idea but I'd love to trade up and draft a BPA atud

**** Juju

Go get Curtis Samuel, has more more maturity and athleticism