The stats are the stats dummy. If you think 78 yards is anything special then you're still in total denial. We scored 23 fecking points against a defense the damn Titans put 32 points on. Please get real and stop acting like they were the Steele curtain.

I have been for Thuney at LT since we made the switch but he def did not have a good game against the Texans.

That said, and there's guys in this argument that won't accept this....if Humphries was an actual upgrade over Thuney HE'D BE PLAYING. Facts.

He wasn't great against the Chargers. Then got hurt.

Then was just ok for a half against the Broncos. Then absolutely terrible for a half.

We're in the AFCCG....it's absurd that some want to talk about switching left tackles to a guy that has shown the above this season

Pretty much agree with all of this.

Look, I was one of the drivers of the DJ train. But the time to make that change was during the bye week, not now.

For better or worse, it's gonna be Thuney at LT. We just have to hope he plays better than he did last Sunday.

I think he will. I think the offense as a whole will. They're not losing this game.

My god, dude. They averaged 4.3 YPC. Attempts were low because the game was compressed. It was like playing Madden with 5 minute quarters. Get a grip and a brain.

The Texans have an ELITE defense. The offense did BETTER against them this time out.

We don't have a lot of complete information. We really rushed him before he was at all ready vs the chargers because wanya made it an emergency. He predictably got hurt. The next best option would have been to start him on a short week, then turn him around for a second short week. That meant Denver was the ideal condition to play him and he was surrounded by a bunch of backups.

Thuney was the understandable call last week because he was the "hot hand." And humphries is still an unknown. That is no longer the case. Our safe option is now also risky because thuney is unsurprisingly showing some physical limitations but also because the bills have Ed Oliver. I'd rather see us stout on the inside this week.

If we're talking about a pure LT swap out, yeah huge risk. Thuney is way too good at either position to be benched. But this ain't about that. This is about knowing you have a guaranteed massive upgrade at LG if you bump your LT over to a different position.

Thuney is not "risky."

Risky is starting the guy who is on tape giving up IMMEDIATE pressure to defensive ends and getting Mahomes and Wentz killed.

Thuney hasn't done that.

The Bills don't have prime Warren Sapp, this is not a concern.

The point is the run game has suffered. So if Joe is stinking up the joint at LT why suffer in two spots? Andy is just being conservative imo by keeping Joe out there and it may be a tough decision to swallow if we can't run the ball on Sunday.

I have to say it again, I wouldnt be surprised if DJ starts this game at LT.

Houstons Edge guys are a tough matchup for any Tackle. Throwing him out there against those guys could set him back in confidence and it was to risky for Mahomes's sake.

DJ is or was a Probowl LT, Hes been practicing and conditioning for awhile now. Buffalo has edge guys that DJ matches up much better with.

We dont need him to be a probowl LT, just better than a Guard playing out of position.

This just makes to much sense. 5 of 5 lineman return to their natural positions, giving us the best line weve had all year. Gives Buffalo a little surprise that they havent prepared for.

I think Andy wanted DJ to play last week but the opponents strength at edge dictated otherwise. We have an above average LT, healthy and ready to go.

Yes we are asking a lot from him but now that Houston has been eliminated, its time to start him.

Call me crazy!

Thuney absolutely is risky. There's always a risk when you're playing a guy out of position.

He's just less risky than DJ at this point. It is what it is.

If he's healthy, he needs to start...unless he's washed. That's the only explanation at this point...he's had weeks to get up to speed/conditioned.

They dont need an all-world LT...just serviceable enough to not ruin plays.

They are not going to change up the OL unless things get bad in game. Thuney is the starter at LT.

From what we've seen humphries is riskier than thuney at LT. But theres still upside that humphries can play well enough that the gap can be closed because we know he was a good LT pre injury. I don't think theres any doubt thuney is a substantial upgrade over caliendo.

The risk is putting an adequate LT next to an backup guard against Ed Oliver and a team that loves to blitz their LBs.

One scenario gives you a hall of famer player and a question mark. The other is a safe option with average play from both of these guys. It's not nearly as easy a decision unless the chiefs just don't think Humphries is ready which is entirely possible

Humphries is a one time pro bowler. It's not like he was some perennial pro bowler.

False.

You have no idea what you are talking about. You twisted the stats to suit a narrative.

Game one they CLEARLY had nine drives. There were no kneeldown drives with the team comfortably ahead.

You didn't even address the yards per play.

Was he really that "good" pre injury? He had one pro bowl and making the pro bowl isn't hard, especially just one time.

He's also a broke dick that had a major back injury before blowing out his knee.

If Andy thought he was even average at LT, then he'd be out there. I'm gonna go with Andy on this.

It's entirely possible he's just washed at this point. He has looked pretty meh in his limited snaps and they have seen him in practice for months now.

I was one of his biggest supporters, but I'm over it at this point. He clearly just isn't worth their time.

The point was that he was good enough to make the probowl. Which at the very least means he is or was an above average LT.

We arent even asking for that level of play, we just need him to be average and let our perennial probowl LG go back to his position.

It makes sense now that we are passed Houston and it adds a wrinkle that Buffalo may not be expecting. Thats a total Andy move!

It's weird af to me that the Caliendo guys got what they wanted yet are still so damn defensive. Calm down. Damn.

He certainly wasn't this bad. It's a question mark, but rushing him out there before fully conditioned, injury recovery, midseason chemistry and communication, then playing with backups are all reasonable excuses that can improve with time and reps.

Him not being out there could very well have been due to riding the hot hand and matchup. You don't put a question mark against houston especially after thuney did fine against them a few weeks earlier. This week, both of those stories are just a little bit different.

I'll trust Andy's judgment if he isn't out there. But I think it's plenty possible he's better than what he's shown and the extra time helped. He doesn't need to be his pro bowl self. If he can play two halves like the first half in Denver it's probably good enough considering the huge upgrade we get to make at LG

Ed Oliver on Caliendo gives me a serious pause. :shrug:

It's weird but I would like to see Humphries at LG if Caliendo were to struggle again. I don't think Humphries is in shape enough yet/too rusty to take back the LT position at this time. I just want Mahomes to have as much time to throw as possible.

LMAO at thinking the Bills DTs are a threat.

Baltimore ran them the **** over.

These guys are good players but you're acting like we're facing John Randle and Aaron Donald LMAO

ROFLROFLROFLROFL

Ed Oliver abused Trey Smith last time. They're not Aaron Donald but they're good enough to **** up the Chiefs offense if they aren't careful.

Sorry, I guess you missed the last game? Oliver was all over Smith, and the last I checked, Smith is hella lot better than Caliendo. But I'm sure Andy has this taken care of.

That’s not ever happening… You guys are reaching..

The Chiefs still scored 21 points. With no Brown. With Wanya at LT.

The Chiefs OL is still good enough to score 30 Sunday and I wish we'd stop all this hand-wringing.

Dude log off for a few days and rethink your whole life. I don't know what's going on or if you're ok or not, but I'd take some time out.

I wish the game would get here already. Stuff I’m reading here lately is bizarre fantasy. Put the bong down. :bong::bong:

There isn't any hand wringing going on. There's some ridiculous dumb posts but nobody is freaking out about anything.

Oh, there's no hand wringing going on here. I expect Andy will have this shored up, or is already shored up for the game. Whatever they go with is more than fine with me.

Half the game day thread is people freaking out saying we're either going to lose or "don't deserve to win" if we punt twice in a half...

Are you English?

There is absolutely hand wringing going on here.

People are insisting we move Thuney back to guard or the Bills are going to go 85 Bears on us.

This shouldn't even be a QUESTION after we averaged 4.3 YPC and 7.1 YPP against an elite defense.

That's the GDT. I'm talking about this thread .

Who INSISTED we put Thuney back at LG? Quote them.

We must crush the bills!!!

We WILL crush the Bills!

Why are we even TALKING about it?

Because it's a ****ing discussion board?

If you don't approve of the thread, put it in your ignore list and move on.

The book is kind of out on Thuney. He has short arms. He can be beaten on the outside. Even if he doesn't whiff its just tough for him due to the physical tools. Is he better than Humphries? Probably a little overall because he doesn't just get straight beat that often but this is the first game in a while where I would be OK with a switch due to Oliver being so good for Buffalo. I do not think they will switch though and that makes sense. Continuity on the line is a big deal.

Any defensive end worth his salt in terms of converting speed to power has driven Thuney straight back into the pocket quickly. It absolutely has affected plays. Rousseau isn't as good at doing that as many of the DEs we've faced with Thuney at LT but it's not like he's completely incapable. A 6'6" 330 lb true LT just anchors far better against that than a 6'4" 300 lb LG can ever hope to.

Am I concerned Thuney being at LT somehow wrecks our gameplan for this one or any game in particular? No, I don't think that. Do I think we'd be better off with someone else at LT? Only with respect to the net gain that includes Thuney being at LG. I just haven't seen enough of an uptick in production to warrant making the line worse overall and Thuney at LT does exactly that. It also has not made Pat play better.

It really boils down to whatever Andy and Mahomes prefer. If we wanted to lean on the run against the smaller Bills D line, I think it makes sense to use Humphries and slide Thuney back to guard. However, if we're planning to pass more, I think Thuney at LT is ok. I hope we dial up more roll outs and screens regardless.

Mighty Gregory Rousseau has 3 sacks in 8 playoff games, 2 coming in his last two playoff games LMAO

He has NEVER sacked Mahomes in the playoffs.

This is the dude I'm supposed to be afraid of? LMAO LMAO

ROUSSEAU!!!!!!!

Nobody told you to be afraid. You use that word all on your own.

Ya'll keep bringing him up when he ain't shit.

LMAO

Seems like our line struggled with Buffalo last year in the regular season, but not in the playoffs.

Hopefully Sunday will be the same

He ain't. Every week you ****ing bitches are like "oh well how will Thuney fare against (insert another defensive end)" and then we win.

Seriously it's pussy shit

You actually think that's what this discussion is? Are your sensibilities that easily offended? Are you a teenage girl?

Sure sounds like pussy shit to me.

****ing clown.

Dammit Carl!

I just realized this is CHUNG! 2025.

You're a genius! This is glorious!

LMAO

slide your ****ing panties

I haven't paid any attention to this thread. I didn't know there was an actual debate about this shit.

We're in the playoffs, guys. The regular season is over. The time to bring Humphries back into the mix has passed. An offensive line isn't a ****ing basketball lineup. You don't adjust minutes for some of your guys and switch around their positions based on who you're facing or matching up against. It's only been a few weeks, but we've been looking the best on offense with Thuney and Caliendo at LT and LG respectively. Don't switch guys out unless you have to. Keep what little continuity you've got, FFS.

If we make it past Buffalo, the interior matchup will only get worse against Daron Payne or that guy from the Eagles who is somehow able to play football when he should be rotting in prison for ****ing manslaughter. But that doesn't mean you adjust the lineup to shore up the interior and sacrifice that boost in blindside protection. You can claim that boost isn't that great of an improvement, but try telling that to Mahomes, man. He hasn't had any trust in his blindside protector all goddamn year, and I think it's pretty clear our offense has looked its best when Thuney has been at LT. Mahomes is more comfortable. I'd challenge anybody to disagree with that. When Mahomes is more comfortable, he'll do more Mahomes shit. Plain and simple. And I don't think Thuney at LG is going to give him that same confidence if he has to go back to an unknown in Humphries at LT.

But isn’t he their sack leader on the year with 8?

(Don’t tell anyone, but he got nearly half of those in the first game of the year then went on to record 5 sacks in the remaining 16 games)

Every NFL talking head is seeing the same thing. Thuney is a middling to poor LT. Caliendo Is a step down from Joe so it's weakened the WHOLE left side which forces them to send help snd leaves Taylor and Smith on an Island. Plus it's hurting the run game in the process. Folks who say "you can't change it now" are utterly ridiculous. This line gave up a 40% PRESSURE RATE last game and ran the ball poorly. So wtf have we got to lose exactly? Do people really think DJ would be worse than giving up two sacks and a 15% pressure rate like Joe did? Imo no way. And what makes it even more concerning is Joe gave up that stuff and got help during the game.

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Then you suffer
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Not advocating for making a change now, but to say you can’t is ridiculous. What if someone gets hurt during the game? They will have to make a change and play it on the fly without even practicing the reps during the week in that alignment.

And they’d still kick ass, because Chiefs.


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You're just mad Andy didn't give Angel Reese a call to play OL

:LOL:

Even a blind man can see that...

ROUSSEAU!

I’m more afraid of Jean Jacques Rousseau as a pass rusher than I am Greg Rousseau

Most in this thread are fine with just sticking with what works and know that a change is a pretty big risk. I don't think there are many insisting a change needs to be made or panicking if it doesn't.

But this is a unique situation that challenges some of that logic. This isnt some wholesale change. Actually the biggest change was the one where we plugged a backup in at OG and moved our LG out of position. That's two changes and we're still working off a small sample size. as we saw last week there's still reason to worry the Houston game was more a regression to the mean than just a one off. Not that Houston is the norm, but some of the flaws you might expect when a guard plays OT started to expose themselves. when that breaks down, mahomes definitely did not look comfortable.

If humphries plays better than wanya (low bar) then it is our original offensive line we played the majority of the season except for one position. It's not all that radical of a change. And right now all our info on if humphries can do this are based on a similarly small sample, but with unusually bad circumstances. Because I think the bigger question mark is if humphries can actually get the job done

I will say that the Texans had the best pass rush we would face in the playoffs and came out of that game with a win. I fully agree that if Humphries was an upgrade over Thuney he would be starting.

It really is an indictment on Humphries that Andy feels that Thuney at LT and Caliendo at LG is a stronger option than Humphries at LT and Thuney at LG.

Not to beat a dead horse but this discussion really isn't about wins and losses. They won 15 games despite Kingsley being a traffic cone, Wanya being whatever he is, and everything else at LT.

They're going to win regardless of who plays LT.

Considering pass rushers at next stage, if they advance. Has it's place to prepare for

When Mahomes is running for his life and missing open receivers or throwing picks on 3rd in long it's the crowd saying "who cares we win regardless of who plays LT" that blame #15. They've got to do whatever the **** it takes to fix left tackle in the offseason. Cut players, restructure contracts, etc. Do right by the best QB in the history of the NFL and get a real left tackle.

Absolutely. But this isn't the off-season, it's the AFCCG.

There's nothing to "fix" at this point. We don't have a playable LT on the roster. Thuney is it.

This is really what we've come to. All we have is arguing about who plays LT in the AFC Championship and Super Bowl, even though it literally doesn't matter.

Rough being a fan of the best organization in pro sports. :)

No shit.

This whole discussion is really about floor vs. ceiling.

It's not about losing or being worried about losing.

Its literally about what the best configuration might be to win HANDILY.

Im sure Andy will do what he thinks is best and who could argue with him.

If it doesnt matter who plays LT then DJ should absolutely start, letting Thuney return to his position. Or even Wanya.

I dont think anyone is "scared" we are just discussing what our best possible Oline lineup might be at this point.

There might be a few people left that are scared of DJ starting.

Nobody is scared of Thuney starting.

Some are scared to trust Andy to make the choice. He’s earned that.

I don't think that true.

If there's on thing in this thread almost everybody agrees upon, it's that Andy and the staff have earned our trust.

Yeah, I feel like people are treating humphries like hes the floor. The floor is probably wanya. It's like Minnesota... A lot of people thought sam darnold was the truth but maybe it's just that Minnesota had a good team and Dobbs was that bad. At worst we probably look closer to the chiefs we saw earlier in the year with humphries, as you said

Nah, I don't think that's it. It's just an interesting topic of debate. I don't think anyone would throw a fit no matter what they do.

Exactly.

I'm in that camp.