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Sweet Daddy Hate 06-16-2014 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 10694998)
They should have had the balls to rebuild in year 1. Instead they give up 2 seconds for a veteran QB and basically waste a season trying to make a run. Waste in the big picture. It sold seats and keeps fans spending money for a few years, so in that sense it isn't a waste for the Hunt family.

They should have rebuilt by trading the older guys - Albert, Flowers, Hali, accumulating draft picks (trade down from the 1.1) and building from there.

Couldn't do it. We had to have immediate turnaround after Herm and Peeholi.

But, I'm with you 100%.

ThaVirus 06-16-2014 12:51 PM

Brandon Flowers done
 
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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 10695058)
I don't consider those contracts exorbitant, they aren't budget busters. You can argue Daniel...but how soon we forget not having a backup quarterback (2012).



I thought Pioli signed Colquitt....





Bowe is a bad contract, but he had us over the kitchen table....and he is still by far our best receiver.





I don't like losing talent...I just know you can't be precious with any player in the NFL. We'll be able to judge Dorsey via his drafts, if you don't have young guys able to step up.... you're dead and so will Dorsey/Reid.


They don't have to be exorbitant to cause problems. $4 mil per year for scrubs like those guys add up and, unfortunately, along with Bowe's contract, they may be a sign that our GM isn't great at contract negotiations.

-King- 06-16-2014 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10695176)
They don't have to be exorbitant to cause problems. $4 mil per year for scrubs like those guys add up and, unfortunately, along with Bowe's contract, they may be a sign that our GM isn't great at contract negotiations.

If we didn't pay Bowe what we paid him, someone else would have.
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The Franchise 06-16-2014 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10695176)
They don't have to be exorbitant to cause problems. $4 mil per year for scrubs like those guys add up and, unfortunately, along with Bowe's contract, they may be a sign that our GM isn't great at contract negotiations.

And if Bowe walks.....people would be screaming that our GM traded for a QB and then made Donnie Avery his #1 WR.

Dante84 06-16-2014 01:25 PM

So, he's not going to Denver, right?

-King- 06-16-2014 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10695239)
And if Bowe walks.....people would be screaming that our GM traded for a QB and then made Donnie Avery his #1 WR.

Exactly. Bowe had ALL the leverage when we signed him. If we had let him go there would be 50 "SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO OVERPAY FOR GREAT TALENT!" threads on this board.

chop 06-16-2014 01:38 PM

Detroit possibly looking at Flowers.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf...l#incart_river

ALLEN PARK -- The Detroit Lions featured one of the league's worst cornerback corps last season, and their supporters thirsted for a makeover.
But the Lions instead prioritized the offense, making receiver Golden Tate their star free-agent acquisition and tight end Eric Ebron their first-round draft pick.
And then they released Chris Houston, who was expected to be their No. 1 guy when he signed a $25 million contract just one year ago.
But the Lions might not be done quite yet.
CBSSports.com is reporting the Lions are "seriously considering making a run" at Brandon Flowers, who made the Pro Bowl last season but was cut anyway by the Kansas City Chiefs.
The Baltimore Sun reported Detroit already has reached out to the Flowers camp.
Flowers had 65 tackles, one interception and nine passes defended en route to the Pro Bowl last year. He played mostly in the slot, a spot currently occupied by Bill Bentley and fourth-round draft pick Nevin Lawson in Detroit.
He would be something of an odd fit here, given defensive coordinator Teryl Austin's preference for rangy, speedy cornerbacks who can run his press-man scheme. Flowers is good, but also 5-foot-9.
And Flowers, the biggest name on the free agent market, could command more money than Detroit can afford to play. The team has less than $1.5 million in cap room for 2014.
Still, Flowers is the most talented cornerback available, and the Lions seem to be interested in at least exploring whether he could improve a unit that currently projects to start Rashean Mathis and Darius Slay.
Mathis was Detroit's top cornerback last year, but is something of a wild card at 34 years old and perhaps not the best fit for such an aggressive scheme. Slay, who possesses 4.36 speed, is a better fit but also a wild card given his profound struggles as a rookie in 2013.
The Lions did add veteran cornerback Cassius Vaughn in free agency and Lawson in the fourth round of the draft, but neither is a candidate to start, even given the dearth of reliable talent at the position.

Dante84 06-16-2014 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chop (Post 10695295)
Detroit possibly looking at Flowers.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf...l#incart_river

ALLEN PARK -- The Detroit Lions featured one of the league's worst cornerback corps last season, and their supporters thirsted for a makeover.
But the Lions instead prioritized the offense, making receiver Golden Tate their star free-agent acquisition and tight end Eric Ebron their first-round draft pick.
And then they released Chris Houston, who was expected to be their No. 1 guy when he signed a $25 million contract just one year ago.
But the Lions might not be done quite yet.
CBSSports.com is reporting the Lions are "seriously considering making a run" at Brandon Flowers, who made the Pro Bowl last season but was cut anyway by the Kansas City Chiefs.
The Baltimore Sun reported Detroit already has reached out to the Flowers camp.
Flowers had 65 tackles, one interception and nine passes defended en route to the Pro Bowl last year. He played mostly in the slot, a spot currently occupied by Bill Bentley and fourth-round draft pick Nevin Lawson in Detroit.
He would be something of an odd fit here, given defensive coordinator Teryl Austin's preference for rangy, speedy cornerbacks who can run his press-man scheme. Flowers is good, but also 5-foot-9.
And Flowers, the biggest name on the free agent market, could command more money than Detroit can afford to play. The team has less than $1.5 million in cap room for 2014.
Still, Flowers is the most talented cornerback available, and the Lions seem to be interested in at least exploring whether he could improve a unit that currently projects to start Rashean Mathis and Darius Slay.
Mathis was Detroit's top cornerback last year, but is something of a wild card at 34 years old and perhaps not the best fit for such an aggressive scheme. Slay, who possesses 4.36 speed, is a better fit but also a wild card given his profound struggles as a rookie in 2013.
The Lions did add veteran cornerback Cassius Vaughn in free agency and Lawson in the fourth round of the draft, but neither is a candidate to start, even given the dearth of reliable talent at the position.

NFC? Fine with me.

Eleazar 06-16-2014 01:46 PM

Good luck to him. Good player, situation changed around him, and I wish him well.

suzzer99 06-16-2014 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10694928)
I am ****ing amazed that fans can watch competent talent walk out the door and still believe Dorsey is a solid GM.

We have two offseasons to judge and more talent has left 1 Arrowhead than has come in.

I was as big a backer of Dorsey as anyone here. I loved the hire. I loved his attitude and personality.

But he's a ****ing horrible GM. Just bad in the way herpes is bad...

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ThaVirus 06-16-2014 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10695239)
And if Bowe walks.....people would be screaming that our GM traded for a QB and then made Donnie Avery his #1 WR.



Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10695270)
Exactly. Bowe had ALL the leverage when we signed him. If we had let him go there would be 50 "SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO OVERPAY FOR GREAT TALENT!" threads on this board.


Right. We needed him and there's no doubt about it..

We still overpaid. He's getting top 5 WR money. Even if you argue his production over his entire career, there's still nothing to make anyone believe that he's a top 5 guy.

Eleazar 06-16-2014 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 10695321)

That video is great LMAO

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-King- 06-16-2014 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10695333)
Right. We needed him and there's no doubt about it..

We still overpaid. He's getting top 5 WR money. Even if you argue his production over his entire career, there's still nothing to make anyone believe that he's a top 5 guy.

Everyone acknowledges we overpaid. Look at the top 5 paid receivers. Only 2 of them deserve to be paid top top WR salaries. But that's the nature of the business. The next top 10-15 WR to get signed will get a bigger contract than Bowe and so on and so forth. In 2 years Bowe will barely be hanging on to a top 10 contract.

At the end of the day, the choice was to either overpay Bowe and get him to stay or have Donnie Avery as our #1 receiver. Dorsey just did what he had to do.

bevischief 06-16-2014 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10694928)
I am ****ing amazed that fans can watch competent talent walk out the door and still believe Dorsey is a solid GM.

We have two offseasons to judge and more talent has left 1 Arrowhead than has come in.

I was as big a backer of Dorsey as anyone here. I loved the hire. I loved his attitude and personality.

But he's a ****ing horrible GM. Just bad in the way herpes is bad...

I am waiting untill after the upcoming season before I start calling for his head. Unless the do a nose dive...

planetdoc 06-16-2014 02:44 PM

Chiefs' Andy Reid talks about "the fit" with Brandon Flowers

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The Chiefs head coach joined Soren Petro on 810 WHB's The Program on Monday morning and of course was asked about the decision to release Flowers.

Why cut Flowers?
"It wasn't so much that he wasn't at OTAs. That wasn't really a factor there. It was more of just the fit and so we thought this was a time it was best for Brandon where he can hook on with another team and move in a different direction.

Was the money a factor?
"That's part of it. There are a lot of factors that go into this but that's one of them."
When did they decide to do this?

"There are certain things you can put out there publicly and there are others things you have to keep in house here. I can tell you it was not a shock. We tried to keep things as calculated as we possibly can in a crazy business with a lot of variables. This one here was something that we had worked through and talked through as an organization. It was best for what we're trying to get done here. At the same time, giving Brandon an opportunity to hook on with another ball club."

The depth at cornerback
"I kind of like the guys we've got. We've got some young guys to add in with the Sean Smiths that we have. I think it's a positive situation between [Marcus] Cooper and [Ron] Parker, those are two players that can play and have played for us. Now we expect them to step in and play a little bit more. We're excited about that. These are guys that will get up and challenge you and have a certain attitude that we really appreciate here."


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