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RunKC 02-23-2023 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16824799)
Which is a good sign we will probably be moving up in that scenario

It’s expensive either way unfortunately.

You either pay Brown Jr or you use valuable draft picks to move up, most like two 1st rd and more picks to get in the top 15.

I’d rather just spend on Brown Jr and have a long term deal to slowly move up gradually against the cap but that’s just me

Sassy Squatch 02-23-2023 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16824811)
2 1's and a 3 to get up and take a LT? Nah fam.

Yah fam. If they're confident in the prospect a cost controlled LT for 4 years is one of the most invaluable assets you can have on your team.

Sassy Squatch 02-23-2023 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16824816)
It’s expensive either way unfortunately.

You either pay Brown Jr or you use valuable draft picks to move up, most like two 1st rd and more picks to get in the top 15.

I’d rather just spend on Brown Jr and have a long term deal to slowly move up gradually against the cap but that’s just me

If none of the prospects catch their eye this season that may be what they do.

RunKC 02-23-2023 04:05 PM

Everyone points to Darrisaw. He’s better than Brown Jr IMO but he’s missed 6 games in 2 years. He seems to have trouble staying on the field.

Tyler Smith was forced to play LT in Dallas as a rookie and man did he struggle. Tied for most penalties by a tackle.

Idk man. I’d love for us to draft a good RT if we sign Brown Jr. That would help mitigate a lot

Sassy Squatch 02-23-2023 04:08 PM

They held Darrisaw out AFTER he'd cleared concussion protocol. Yeah, I wouldn't say he's a brokedick.

Megatron96 02-23-2023 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16824808)
I mean, you can point to a bunch of mid second round prospects that all had significant warts to try and prove whatever your point is, but we'll probably be selecting ours from the top of the LT class if Brown Jr goes.

Meh. I've already stated in this thread what I think will happen. But just to be repetitive, i think Veach will make a similar offer to the one he made last offseason, and if OBJ wants to keep winning, OBJ will take it. If he opts to be traded or whatever, then Veach already has a plan in place for that eventuality. But if we draft some guy and he turns out to be worse, I'm a big enough ass to come straight to this thread and light everyone up with a big "I TOLD YOU IDIOTS SO!" Because why not?

But at the end of the day, I trust in Veach.

Balto 02-23-2023 04:09 PM

I mean what we can expect a 2nd round value for OBJ if we try and trade him? Why not just tag him again, make him play under the tag at LT but ALSO trade up or whatever and draft his replacement that can play RT as a rookie. OBJ walks next year and we get a 3rd round comp.

Balto 02-23-2023 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16824850)
Meh. I've already stated in this thread what I think will happen. But just to be repetitive, i think Veach will make a similar offer to the one he made last offseason, and if OBJ wants to keep winning, OBJ will take it. If he opts to be traded or whatever, then Veach already has a plan in place for that eventuality. But if we draft some guy and he turns out to be worse, I'm a big enough ass to come straight to this thread and light everyone up with a big "I TOLD YOU IDIOTS SO!" Because why not?

But at the end of the day, I trust in Veach.

Just keep him under the tag and have the rookie play RT for 2023

Sassy Squatch 02-23-2023 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 16824851)
I mean what we can expect a 2nd round value for OBJ if we try and trade him? Why not just tag him again, make him play under the tag at LT but ALSO trade up or whatever and draft his replacement that can play RT as a rookie. OBJ walks next year and we get a 3rd round comp.

Well, there's a pretty good chance he actually would hold out this go around, and then you'd have a 20 million cap charge for essentially nothing.

Coach 02-23-2023 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 16824857)
Just keep him under the tag and have the rookie play RT for 2023

That's under the assumption if he signs that tag. He could refuse signing it.

Sassy Squatch 02-23-2023 04:13 PM

He'd made about 3.5 million his entire career last time we were at the table and he threatened to hold out. Now it's up to 20 million. There's a huge difference. Especially if his noob agent is dumb enough to convince him to go through with it.

Megatron96 02-23-2023 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 16824857)
Just keep him under the tag and have the rookie play RT for 2023

Based on how things went with him last season, I have doubts that OBJ will play under another tag. We're either going to have to sign him or trade him. I would like to sign him, if it's at all reasonable, because he's a known quantity in terms of performance. Rookie LTs are not that much different from throwing darts at a bag of them and hoping you hit the right one.

htismaqe 02-23-2023 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16824784)
LMAO

1. I don't think there's many that outright want to ship OBJ out anymore, but are comfortable acknowledging the reality that Veach and his agent just may not come to agreeable terms.

2. Why are we still pretending like drafting a new OT in the draft is just a random grab bag. It's not. Reid and Veach have pretty clearly earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to identifying developing NFL caliber OL, so if they ultimately have to pivot off OBJ and send him elsewhere I'm pretty confident they'll draft a good one.

So far, I've been mostly talking about what I think the Chiefs will do, not what I want them to do. I'm going to do that now because I like your post.

I'd really like to see them trade OBJ and get cheaper at the position. I just don't want them to pay OBJ that kind of money anymore. I think the whole argument is kind of tired at this point and shipping him off might actually be the right thing to do at this point.

I'm all for drafting a new LT. It's not a random grab bag but it still has quite a bit of risk. You have to at least acknowledge why that might make people nervous. That being said, I'd take the risk and draft one high anyway.

The only "but" I would have to your post is this:

I'm not sure I'd expect the guy is going to hit the ground running. Sure, those interior guys did but remember Eric Fisher's trajectory?

I think the ideal scenario that would make me happiest would be to sign a cheaper vet to a short deal, maybe 2 years, to play LT while the rookie plays RT. However, my head tells me it's probably not realistic that they would replace both tackles in one offseason.

Pitt Gorilla 02-23-2023 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16824928)
So far, I've been mostly talking about what I think the Chiefs will do, not what I want them to do. I'm going to do that now because I like your post.

I'd really like to see them trade OBJ and get cheaper at the position. I just don't want them to pay OBJ that kind of money anymore. I think the whole argument is kind of tired at this point and shipping him off might actually be the right thing to do at this point.

I'm all for drafting a new LT. It's not a random grab bag but it still has quite a bit of risk. You have to at least acknowledge why that might make people nervous. That being said, I'd take the risk and draft one high anyway.

The only "but" I would have to your post is this:

I'm not sure I'd expect the guy is going to hit the ground running. Sure, those interior guys did but remember Eric Fisher's trajectory?

I think the ideal scenario that would make me happiest would be to sign a cheaper vet to a short deal, maybe 2 years, to play LT while the rookie plays RT. However, my head tells me it's probably not realistic that they would replace both tackles in one offseason.

Agree with all of that. If Bert can get a solid trade, he should do it. It'd be fun to see find the new pieces.

htismaqe 02-23-2023 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16824860)
Well, there's a pretty good chance he actually would hold out this go around, and then you'd have a 20 million cap charge for essentially nothing.

Exactly. He ain't playing on the tag a 2nd time.


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