Geez Petro is broken. I used to like the guy but just don't listen anymore. The only time I read him are posters posting Tweet links here.

I'd say the strongest roster battles remaining are between Devon Key, Watts, and Fenton. Watts's injury history has me on the fence. He's played well at times when healthy.

With that said I'd roll the dice on Devon Key. Watts would have a better chance of making it through waivers with all the hype Key has recieved. When you're the best team in the league there are no secrets that make it through the headlines unnoticed. (Fenton makes the team due to his versatility.)

Watts is a core special teamer. He led the team in ST snaps last season, and IIRC was something like top 10 in ST snaps across the whole league. So he has a leg up on a guy like Key.

Very true, yes. It'd make me sick to lose a guy like Key on the waiver wire. I'd love to keep all three even more than keeping 4 TE's or 6 WR'S. This is assuming Huges, Baker, and Dirty Dan are locks.

Speaking of butts go to the around the league training camp thread and see what Myles Garrett did just now lol

Fenton is a lock to make the team. He’s not in a battle two safeties for a roster spot.

It would be shocking if he didn't make the team, I agree. :thumb:

Key will earn his spot tomorrow night. Bopete is certainly a bubble guy but he plays CB. Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out. I definitely think Bopete would make it through waivers if it came down to that.

In no order I think Key, Fortson, Cobb, Watts & PTW are the ones in the bottom of roster fight I think.

Potential surprise cuts could be any of Bell, Long, the FB, Blythe (if they want to keep Allegretti).

If you aren't carrying a FB sure. Same as we've been carrying 4 HBs the last few years hopefully we end that nonsense too.

Darwin is very expendable with the addition of Jet#1.

I'm good with carrying 5 WR's and 4 TE's. Fountain to PS. Not sure where that leaves Kemp.

Blythe has $1M in guarantees.

He could be cut, but that’s a factor.

You don't have to cut Long, he's on PUP. I don't believe he'll ever be a factor again, but that's besides the point. The FB can be cut to keep an extra TE. Watts may be a core ST guy, but he's proven to be a liability in coverage when it matters most, so that leaves a DB spot for Key. I've liked what we've seen from Cobb. I'd hate to lose him, but maybe we can sneak him on the PS. Allegretti probably wins over Blythe. Fortson isn't going anywhere unless he completely falls apart in the next 2 games.

I agree. The #6 WR isn't going to get many chances on offense, so it all boils down to STs. Didn't McKinnon get a look at returner last game?

Would think he'd have some solid trade value. Surely there have to be a few teams not loving their situation at Center. He's at least decent.

Im betting on no FB this year. Fortson has been all over ST, Sherman barely played except ST last season. Im guessing Noah Gray can be a spot FB/HB.

I think he was a gunner that made a big play

I think its time to end the D. Robinson era

They tried cutting him but he ran backwards to avoid them.

Who's replacing him?

Careful what you wish for. Some people have already been overreacting to Fountain's first preseason game. Sadly, they'll wind up disappointed little boys and girls on Christmas morning when their sexy pick for training camp bubble burster just kind of farts out

No need to bitch about Robinson IMO, if we had better options it would push him down the depth chart. For what he is, and what he costs, I'll gladly keep him on this team.

But we need to be hunting for another WR in rounds 1-3 in next years draft.

With the OL potentially locked up for the next 3-4 years, we’ll have plenty of picks to use on receivers.

Next offseason will likely be all about WR, Secondary, and Pass Rush

The very fact that he's referred to in this thread as "the FB" rather than by his actual name kinda speaks volumes.

I imagine Reid had visions of a Kyle Jusczyk (yes, forced to google that ****ing spelling) role when we signed Burton. But they've probably realized Gray/Fortson is a better pairing for the next few years than Burton/Gray in that kinda pairing/skill set (not saying Gray is a fullback at all but he fits a small part of the Swiss Army knife profile and it's not worth losing Fortson given his potential). Sherman only played about 6% of offensive snaps last year so it's not like we've used a true smashmouth FB in the same way, and with this OL, it's not necessary.

Fortson is absolutely making this team.

Why? He's the 2nd most consistent WR after Hill as of right now.

100%

Imagine a 2 TE 2 WR RB, HB set with Kelce, Fortson at TE, Gray and CEH, Hill and Hardman. Motion to empty backfield. How you cover that?

He's making the team, he knows the offense and he's safe.

Why doesn’t Fountain fill that role of developmental guy? It certainly isn’t his lack of measurables/skill.

It would be incredibly stupid to cut Robinson just to keep 1 of the unproven WRs at the bottom of the roster.

Fountain has always had talent and great physical gifts but was simply unlucky with injuries at the colts. Imo he's a hiden gem who could thrive under Andy and Pat. And if he makes this team he'll surprise a lot of people i think.

Fountain is the type of guy that goes to the PS, Toubs gonna go to bat for Kemp.

My chances of making the 53 are looking worse and worse

As long as Robinson is the only other guy running around after the play breaks down, he'll be on this team.

He has been on the other end of some of Mahomes' most iconic throws. And you want to cut him for not even a camp hero but a nobody who hasn't done shit yet.


And I actually like Fountain

2018 DRob hand some of Pats biggest catches. That was when we had a running game they had to respect in Hunt. If our OLine can force defenders into the box, perhaps DRob can see a slight uptick in performance with a less crowded secondary.

Do you guys think we'll keep 4 RB plus a FB? I think we need to because of injury.

We don't need a full time FB. Sherman's snaps decreased every year since Mahomes started playing. Just slide one of the TEs to full back in our rare I formation plays.

His contract is dirt cheap too. For what he brings you can't beat the price.

Noah Gray actually played a good bit of H-Back at Duke.

Yes, he was a KR. Huges looked the best, PR. Shepard looked alright as well (PR). The only only one that looked like garbage at PR was Dieter. At least he didnt fumble.

SOMEBODY IS FORGETTING

ZAYNE ANDERSON

I remember when Pringle and Kemp were preseason hidden gems. Now we toss them aside because they're not shiny or new.

But this Fountain guy is totally different!

Best case scenario: Fountain is a perma WR5 just like those other two, and he sticks around long enough for us to be sick of Fountain in favor of the brand newest most hidden potentialest gem of an UDFA WR you've ever seen!

Fountain has gotten zero reps with the 1s this week. (I am a first person account on this.)

Dieter’s actually took occasional reps with the 1s, though.

We've been bamboozled by the team's view of Gray being good. He's just handsome so he had a foot-in. But looks only get you so far, hit the bench kid!

We've been bamboozled by the team's view of Gray being good. He's just handsome so he had a foot-in. But looks only get you so far, hit the bench kid!

I'm seeing double I need to get my eyes checked.

Allow me to appease you. Zayne Anderson will be cut. Perhaps he made a strong enough impression to make the PS? We'll see.

Both will be cut.

But he's consistently with the twos and was the best WR in the san fran game. You Fountain haters can doubt him all you like but the fact is he's been better than Powell, Kemp and Dieter in recent weeks...and his ceiling is even higher than Robinson and Pringle...we'll see who is right in the end.

Not Fountain.

His ceiling is WAY higher than all but Tyreek imo. He's tall, strong, fast, can make tough catches and can run decent routes. He's also played in the NFL already so it's not like he's some rookie dipping his toes into the pro game for the first time. I heard a guy on a chiefs podcast today say "Fountain could go very high up the depth chart because there are no superstars in his way".. and that's exactly right. IF Fountain plays to his potential he'll be way better than Robinson, Pringle and Mecole imo.

We used to have the draftubators now we have the evalubators. You dudes get off to the most obscure players and go ape shit when they have 1 good practice.

I heard Holtus make the comment something to the effect that the Chiefs have 3 of the top 10 in athletic matrix over the last 10 years, Hill,Hardman and the 3rd one is Fountain.

Yeah, that's very true, especially when you consider their playoff records.

Alex Smith -- 2-5

97.4
Smith has started seven postseason games in his career, completing 61.7% of his passes for 1,745 yards with 14 touchdowns to two interceptions.

Dalton has postseason experience. The Bengals made five straight playoff appearances from 2011-15. Dalton was 0-4 with one TD and six interceptions in four playoff starts.

Not even close.

Yeah, that too. I noticed a play the other night where Bell did a pitiful job at attempting a block. I thought this guy is supposed to be a good blocker?

Blake Bell did a good job blocking in the at the practice I attended, as did Kelce. Michael Burton is a machine, he's the return of "the bouncer" we used to have in Spencer Ware.

Bell is not a great blocker, but he is pretty darn good. And the other two TEs on the roster -- Fortson and Gray -- are not remotely acceptable right now at blocking.

I was listening to a podcast with Mike DeVito and Jeff Allen, and DeVito confessed that every time Antonio Gates was on the field, the Chiefs knew the Chargers were running the ball away from him. At this point, I don't think you can trust Fortson and Gray in full time duty, or even TE2 duty, as the tip of the spear in a blocking formation or in pass protection. You can trust Bell.

I think that means Bell is the clear TE2 right now, simply by virtue of the fact that he can capably block. Fortson or Gray may play a few snaps a game, or overtake Bell as their blocking improves (personally, I still think Fortson is on the trade block).

The safety depth chart has a spot for Zayne.

Mathieu
Sorensen
Thornhill (by virtue of the 2nd we invested for him)
...?

Watts, Parks, Key, and Anderson are all in play here, and Watts is running with the 1st team on Special Teams, so TOUB ALERT

It's reasonable, though, that with a good showing this evening, Zayne can beat out two of his teammates to make the 53, but I do think he's more practice squad material.

It'll be interesting to see how the team handles Fountain, who has looked really good in the one preseason game and continue shredding 2nd teamers in the practice I witnessed.

They may not feel like they can sneak Fountain through waivers, but they're just going to have to. There's no room for him on the squad.

Hill
Hardman
Pringle
Robinson
Powell
Kemp (Toub alert)

If the Chiefs go 6 deep, Fountain has a screaming chance, but again, Dieter has gotten reps with the 1s, not him. Ffrench has looked good too, but not nearly as good. I should also mentioned Darius Shepherd has made some plays as well, and may end up a Squadder.

Since this thread is winding down, here's my 53 projection. Criticize away:

QB: Mahomes, Henne
RB: Edwards-Helaire, Williams, McKinnon, Thompson
FB: Burton

WR: Hill, Hardman, Pringle, Robinson, Powell, Kemp
TE: Kelce, Bell, Gray

LT: Brown, Remmers
LG: Thuney, Allegretti
C: Humphrey, Blythe
RG: Smith, Duvarney-Tardif
RT: Niang, Wylie

DE: Clark, Charlton, Kaindoh
DT: Wharton, Saunders
DT: Nnadi, Reed
DE: Jones, Danna, Ward

OLB: Gay, Harris
ILB: Hitchens, Niemann
OLB: Bolton, Harris

CB: Sneed, Ward, Hughes, Fenton, Baker
S: Mathieu, Sorensen, Parks, Watts

K: Butker
P: Colquitt
LS: Winchester

Kinda hurt to cut Okafor, Cobb, BoPete Keyes, but what can you do.

I wouldn't be surprised if LDT starts the year on IR.

I went back and looked again and maybe I was a bit hard on him. It was not good but it wasn't quite as bad as I remembered.

Also, another thing that I noticed is that I thought Gray looked decent in blocking and getting open down the field. It's only one game but so far, Gray looks better to me than Fortson.

Toub likes Shepards potential at returner. If he passes the assmeter, PS bound.

It's not hard to find UDFA WRs each year who have the exact same qualities as Fountain. He's not rare or special. His time with the Colts isn't some revelation that gives him a huge leg up. It's basically the same ****ing story as Marcus Kemp. Training camp, big buzz, gets repeatedly cut/squaded/rostered. Eventually shit settled down enough for him to log.... 2 total career catches. That's the exact same number as Marcus Kemp.

Again, we said the same shit about Marcus Kemp. "Tall fast strong!" When Mahomes was a rookie in 2017 and threw his first ever (preseason) TD pass? That was to Marcus Kemp. "These two are gonna grow up well together!"

We see these players every ****ing year. Fountain isn't special. He might make the roster, and he might even move up the depth chart a little bit, but where is the mother****er going to be around this time next year? The exact same position as Kemp. On the roster bubble.

Why not look to a player who had all that potential yadda yadda yadda and actually played up to it by becoming more than a special teams grunt with 2 catches to his name? Daurice Fountain has 2 catches in his career? Byron Pringle has 2 TOUCHDOWNS in his career. He's played in 29 games. It's quite possible that Fountain will never be an active player in the regular season for HALF that many. And that's with Pringle losing an entire year due to injury.

All that work for Pringle and what has it gotten him? WR4. And that's fine. I'm not shitting on him. He can play several more years in the NFL being a WR4. He can have an actual career. But that's somebody who "played up to his potential."

If Fountain plays up to his potential, he'll be right there with Pringle. No better.

Where's Zayne Anderson you ****???!!! I'm going to ****ing cut you!!!!!

I’ve been down on Thornhill and his struggles, but he’s not even going to make the team? What kind of crap is that?

LMAO

Direckshun is clueless.

Woof at our WRs….

Betcha the Chiefs find a way to trade one of those backup OL guys for a 7th or something like that.

My edits:

Cut: Thompson, Burton,
PS: Tim Ward, Parks

Keep: Fortson, Cobb, Thornhill, Keyes

That was an oversight, I'm afraid. Am doing this from memory.

Doesn't say a lot about Juan that I've forgotten him.

While the Chiefs have clearly been playing him with the 1s this week, he's also getting torched in the 11 v 11s.

I like your edits.

I think that's very possible.

I actually think the Chiefs have a ton of tradable guys, such as Fortson, Fountain, and Wenogho.

Don’t worry it’s just a “mental” thing.

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I can see them maybe moving an OL like Blythe or LTD. Maybe even a DB.

No one is going to trade for a tweener UDFA TE that's unlikely to contribute right away, or a ****ing WR that's done nothing in this league.

Every year Chiefs fans cant seem to understand that EVERY team in the league has a goddamn Daurice Fountain buried on their roster.

Come on man there is no reality in which they are cutting Thornhill and Fortson.

I agree with this, and also think they find a way to free up a roster spot on the OL - by either IR-ing or trading Laurent Duvarney-Tardif.

I'd use the extra spot on keeping Ward on the active roster. I'd also strongly consider keeping Fountain active over Fortson, though you're trying to sneak the other onto the PS regardless.

Agree with all of this.

Fountain is very intriguing. PS at the very least for him. I definitely understand keeping Kemp on the active roster though.

I dont think you can trade an injured player, but yes, i expect them to do so some sort of weird IR/PUP shit with a couple of these guys and expect it'll be a DB or OL. I expect there will be at least 1-2 surprise trades, as that's pretty much Veach's track record. Shit, don't be surprised at all if they cut a guy like Bopete Keyes and bring in someone else's cut DB. It seems to happen every year.

Hell....don't be terribly surprised if some of these roster bubble players end up with a mysterious pulled hammy next week and go on IR.

Wasnt your profile pick some Wr who did this for years...

Fortson is making this team. So is Thornhill, no idea how you have him as a cut.

I could see Darwin getting traded, just isn’t room for him on the roster these days.

Who are these teams that are just trading for players that haven't done shit?