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DaKCMan AP 04-28-2012 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 8577328)
McNutt doesn't make a ton of sense in KC since we already have Bowe and Baldwin, and to a certain extent Breaston.

Yeah, a smaller slot WR makes more sense than any of the 6'2 guys.

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8577340)
I dont think anyone had Wiley going before 7th or even being drafted.

NFL.com gave him a 4th round grade.

KevB 04-28-2012 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8577346)
A 5' nothing midget is not a legitimate deep threat.

Yeah, Antonio Brown didn't make any big plays.

Frosty 04-28-2012 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 8577364)
NFL.com gave him a 4th round grade.

If royr and jd1020 don't like him, I'm really warming up to the pick.


:D

Buck 04-28-2012 10:51 AM

Green can't block for shit, but he's a huge target for Rivers. Love the pick. Love all our picks so far. Don't think anyone has drafted better than us this year.

Munson 04-28-2012 10:52 AM

We don't need a deep threat WR because our QB can't throw it deep. He struggles with anything over 15 yards.

DaKCMan AP 04-28-2012 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 8577376)
Green can't block for shit, but he's a huge target for Rivers. Love the pick. Love all our picks so far. Don't think anyone has drafted better than us this year.

He'll be groomed to replace Gates. Very good pick.

You guys are having a good draft, but it's not the best. There are a few teams who are well ahead of your draft, IMO.

Bowser 04-28-2012 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 8577376)
Green can't block for shit, but he's a huge target for Rivers. Love the pick. Love all our picks so far. Don't think anyone has drafted better than us this year.

Tampa has absolutley crushed the rest of the league with what they've done in the draft and free agency.

ChiefsCountry 04-28-2012 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Munson (Post 8577380)
We don't need a deep threat WR because our QB can't throw it deep. He struggles with anything over 15 yards.

Brady Quinn can throw it deep.

Setsuna 04-28-2012 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 8577366)
Yeah, Antonio Brown didn't make any big plays.

Racist.

DaKCMan AP 04-28-2012 10:52 AM

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jd1020 04-28-2012 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Munson (Post 8577380)
We don't need a deep threat WR because our QB can't throw it deep. He struggles with anything over 15 yards.

Wiley's probably going to be a special teamer who gets broke in week 1.

the Talking Can 04-28-2012 10:52 AM

i think wylie was picked to help arenas with kick returns....which is yet another thing mccluster failed at

Marcellus 04-28-2012 10:52 AM

I am still blown way Washington gave up a ton of picks to move up and draft RGIII then used one of their remaining picks on another QB.

Setsuna 04-28-2012 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 8577384)
Brady Quinn can throw it deep.

To the other team. 9 times out of 10.

ISUJeff 04-28-2012 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munson (Post 8577380)
We don't need a deep threat WR because our QB can't throw it deep. He struggles with anything over 15 yards.

a very good point we all should remember

Bowser 04-28-2012 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8577389)
i think wylie was picked to help arenas with kick returns....which is yet another thing mccluster failed at

Didn't McCluster fumble the opening kickoff last season?

KevB 04-28-2012 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8577351)
****ing hate the Wiley pick. WR is like the one position we didn't need and we reached with one.

We needed WR. We have three receivers and one special teams player in Copper. We needed a 4th and we needed more speed. Wylie fits that bill.

the Talking Can 04-28-2012 10:54 AM

steelers get ta'amu in 4th....nice value

DaKCMan AP 04-28-2012 10:54 AM

There goes Jaye Howard to Seattle. A little higher than I thought (I had him as a 5th rounder) but I think he'll be a very good, solid rotational guy who can play both DT and DE. Very good pick for them. Underrated guy, IMO.

DTLB58 04-28-2012 10:55 AM

http://cache.profootballweekly.com/p...ker/undrafted/

mcaj22 04-28-2012 10:55 AM

yea cause with Matt Cassel we are in 4 WR sets all the time.

we arent the Packers or Giants. This pick basically makes the other 2 guys on the team we used 2nd rounders on look stupid

the Talking Can 04-28-2012 10:55 AM

we needed speed...you may not like the guy, but he's the quality we needed

we have 2 big first round picks at WR, and a perfect slot in breaston

bricks 04-28-2012 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8577400)
steelers get ta'amu in 4th....nice value

That team knows how to draft.

the Talking Can 04-28-2012 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8577404)
we needed speed...you may not like the guy, but he's the quality we needed

we have 2 big first round picks at WR, and a perfect slot in breaston

you're such a negative asshole, always bagging on pioli...you dick

jd1020 04-28-2012 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 8577399)
We needed WR. We have three receivers and one special teams player in Copper. We needed a 4th and we needed more speed. Wylie fits that bill.

McCluster was going to be that 4th WR.

Do you really think he was going to get many touches running the ball with JC and Hillis?

Setsuna 04-28-2012 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 8577401)
There goes Jaye Howard to Seattle. A little higher than I thought (I had him as a 5th rounder) but I think he'll be a very good, solid rotational guy who can play both DT and DE. Very good pick for them. Underrated guy, IMO.

Go Gators!

Molitoth 04-28-2012 10:56 AM

I like the Wylie pick now that I understand it.

the Talking Can 04-28-2012 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8577403)
yea cause with Matt Cassel we are in 4 WR sets all the time.

we arent the Packers or Giants. This pick basically makes the other 2 guys on the team we used 2nd rounders on look stupid

the mccluster pick was stupid the minute it happened...

we've been drafting and signing his replacements ever since

the Talking Can 04-28-2012 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 8577397)
Didn't McCluster fumble the opening kickoff last season?

yes, he had a couple killer fumbles....he's an asshole

DaKCMan AP 04-28-2012 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8577409)
McCluster was going to be that 4th WR.

Do you really think he was going to get many touches running the ball with JC and Hillis?

You're approaching your daily limit of stupid already. Probably should stop for now and save some for our 5th round pick.

The Bad Guy 04-28-2012 10:57 AM

Hopefully they can land Chapman in the 5th.

ChiefsCountry 04-28-2012 10:57 AM

We needed a 4th WR thats a fact. Wylie is the type of WR we needed.

The Bad Guy 04-28-2012 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8577415)
yes, he had a couple killer fumbles....he's an asshole

Huge asshole.

milkman 04-28-2012 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8577409)
McCluster was going to be that 4th WR.

Do you really think he was going to get many touches running the ball with JC and Hillis?

No, McCluster wasn't going to be that 4th WR.

He's the 3rd RB in the rotation, and no, he wasn't going to get many touches.

The WR experiment ended after his rookie season.

Papi 04-28-2012 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 8577411)
I like the Wylie pick now that I understand it.

Do you understand it as being detrimental to the franchise?

KevB 04-28-2012 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8577409)
McCluster was going to be that 4th WR.

Do you really think he was going to get many touches running the ball with JC and Hillis?

No he wasn't. He's a RB and that's not going to change. They tried WR and it failed. He's our #3 RB and probably gets touches with Charles coming off the knee injury.

ChiefsCountry 04-28-2012 10:59 AM

Bengals are slaying it this year.

donkhater 04-28-2012 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 8577391)
I am still blown way Washington gave up a ton of picks to move up and draft RGIII then used one of their remaining picks on another QB.

I'm not. They understand it is a QB league and went out and did something about it. Meanwhile Pioli .........??

DBOSHO 04-28-2012 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8577346)
A 5' nothing midget is not a legitimate deep threat.

Desean jackson. Greg jennings.

DaKCMan AP 04-28-2012 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 8577426)
Bengals are slaying it this year.

Yep. Them & Tampa leading the way.

the Talking Can 04-28-2012 11:00 AM

bengals take orson charles


i'm not impressed with this guy....not a blocker, not super fast...meh

Frosty 04-28-2012 11:00 AM

I suspect that, with the coaching change, the McCluster experiment is drawing to a close. Time to admit the mistake and move on.

mcaj22 04-28-2012 11:00 AM

yea but now hes just a 3RD RB

this dude will take all his special teams duties. So McCluster could very well be doing even less than he already does. And that's what makes it awful. using a 36 overall pick for a ****ing soon to be 3rd stringer buried on the depth chart lol

Papi 04-28-2012 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 8577429)
Desean jackson. Greg jennings.

An inch and two inches taller respectively.

Munson 04-28-2012 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 8577434)
I suspect that, with the coaching change, the McCluster experiment is drawing to a close. Time to admit the mistake and move on.

Pioli doesn't make mistakes.:evil:

DTLB58 04-28-2012 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8577420)
No, McCluster wasn't going to be that 4th WR.

He's the 3rd RB in the rotation, and no, he wasn't going to get many touches.

The WR experiment ended after his rookie season.

I'm glad someone besides me understands this. :thumb:

the Talking Can 04-28-2012 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8577435)
yea but now hes just a 3RD RB

this dude will take all his special teams duties. So McCluster could very well be doing even less than he already does. And that's what makes it awful. using a 36 overall pick for a ****ing soon to be 3rd stringer buried on the depth chart lol

he's the worst pick of pioli's era by far...at least jackson is getting better

magee and brown on the list...poe to be determined

Dylan 04-28-2012 11:02 AM

they're gonna have a party at radio city music hall?

philfree 04-28-2012 11:02 AM

Looks to me like McCluster is entrenched at RB behind Charles.

Frosty 04-28-2012 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munson (Post 8577442)
Pioli doesn't make mistakes.:evil:

They dumped most of the 2009 draft fairly quickly. :shrug:

DaKCMan AP 04-28-2012 11:03 AM

People need to understand what a sunk cost is, accept certain players as sunk costs, and deal with it.

ChiefsCountry 04-28-2012 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8577444)
he's the worst pick of pioli's era by far...at least jackson is getting better

magee and brown on the list...poe to be determined

Trading for Cassel was the worst use of a draft pick. McCluster was second worst especially with all the talent in that draft.

Coogs 04-28-2012 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 8577432)
Yep. Them & Tampa leading the way.

I really like what we are doing too. We have skill players all over our defense and we have skill players all over our offense... minus the QB spot. But outside of Tannehill, nothing here impresses me much more than Stanzi. Couple this draft with what we have in place, and all of the pieces are there... when we get the QB. That may have to be next year unless Stanzi/Quinn can come to the rescue... and one of them just might.

Hammock Parties 04-28-2012 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 8577446)
Looks to me like McCluster is entrenched at RB behind Charles.

And Hillis.

He is shit.

Dylan 04-28-2012 11:05 AM

why is lombardi and lacanfora talking about college players like they're scouts?

they know nothing

Frosty 04-28-2012 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 8577450)
People need to understand what a sunk cost is, accept certain players as sunk costs, and deal with it.

Yup.

Maybe they can get a low pick for him, like they did with McGee

DaKCMan AP 04-28-2012 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 8577452)
I really like what we are doing too. We have skill players all over our defense and we have skill players all over our offense... minus the QB spot. But outside of Tannehill, nothing here impresses me much more than Stanzi. Couple this draft with what we have in place, and all of the pieces are there... when we get the QB. That may have to be next year unless Stanzi/Quinn can come to the rescue... and one of them just might.

I'm not pissed at the draft, all the picks make some sense and can be rationalized. We're not blowing it out of the water, though, like those teams. Our draft in 3 years could look great but right now I'd give it a C+. What we do in round 5 could bump it up to a B-.

DaKCMan AP 04-28-2012 11:07 AM

Two Arky WRs gone. When will the 3rd go?

chiefs1111 04-28-2012 11:08 AM

Jarius Wright to the Vikes. wish the Chiefs had taken him instead if they were gonna go WR

DaKCMan AP 04-28-2012 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefs1111 (Post 8577465)
Jarius Wright to the Vikes. wish the Chiefs had taken him instead if they were gonna go WR

He doesn't add any dimension we don't already have, IMO. Breaston does better what Wright would do.

milkman 04-28-2012 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 8577429)
Desean jackson. Greg jennings.

Let me clarify.

A 5' nothing WR is not a legitimate deep threat with Matt Cassel as his QB.

tk13 04-28-2012 11:09 AM

Skins on the clock. Take another QB!

ChiefsCountry 04-28-2012 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 8577460)
I'm not pissed at the draft, all the picks make some sense and can be rationalized. We're not blowing it out of the water, though, like those teams. Our draft in 3 years could look great but right now I'd give it a C+. What we do in round 5 could bump it up to a B-.

I agree with this. This isn't an impact draft per say, but it gives us quality depth which is needed.

DTLB58 04-28-2012 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefs1111 (Post 8577465)
Jarius Wright to the Vikes. wish the Chiefs had taken him instead if they were gonna go WR

McNutt

Coogs 04-28-2012 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 8577460)
I'm not pissed at the draft, all the picks make some sense and can be rationalized. We're not blowing it out of the water, though, like those teams. Our draft in 3 years could look great but right now I'd give it a C+. What we do in round 5 could bump it up to a B-.

Everybody seems to be thrilled with Pittsburgh's draft over in that thread. What exactly did Pittsburgh do defferently that we did other that take names that were more recoginzable?

DaKCMan AP 04-28-2012 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 8577478)
McNutt

McNutt makes ZERO sense. Why would you add another 6'3" 4.55 WR?

Bowser 04-28-2012 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8577473)
Skins on the clock. Take another QB!

Kellen Moore is sitting around with nothing to do....

Hoover 04-28-2012 11:14 AM

McNutt makes sense for a team like Indy or Redskins.

JohnnyHammersticks 04-28-2012 11:14 AM

With their first 4 picks, the Steelers have taken 3 players I had going to us, just not in the same order. I had us taking DeCastro, then Ta'amu, then Spence. There's a reason why the Steelers contend for championships almost every year while we haven't won a playoff game in almost 20 years. . .

DaKCMan AP 04-28-2012 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 8577480)
Everybody seems to be thrilled with Pittsburgh's draft over in that thread. What exactly did Pittsburgh do defferently that we did other that take names that were more recoginzable?

I said in that thread I don't like Pitt's 2nd & 3rd picks.

I think Mike Adams is stiff, struggles with speed rushers, and isn't exceptionally strong to be a road-grating RT.

Sean Spence is ok, but he's not very fast and he's not a thumper. He wouldn't unseat DJ and doesn't make sense in Belcher's position.

DaKCMan AP 04-28-2012 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 8577491)
McNutt makes sense for a team like Indy or Redskins.

I agree. He makes sense for Miami too.

DTLB58 04-28-2012 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 8577446)
Looks to me like McCluster is entrenched at RB behind Charles.

Yep. One plays RB, the other WR. We just added more speed. I don't know why this picks means they need to get rid of Dex.

malachi47000 04-28-2012 11:15 AM

Do you think taking Vontaze Burfict in the 5th would be a good choice? Yes he has off the field problems and failed drug test (like Houston) however as a 5th round pick, I think it is worth the gamble. I doubt he makes it to the 7th round and would be surprised if he makes it to the 6th honestly. He has to much potential to pass up and contracts can be written to protect the chiefs organization if he pulls the same off field shit as he did in college. We took a gamble with Houston and it paid off, might be the same with Burfict and if the gamble works, talk about an amazing LB core!

DaKCMan AP 04-28-2012 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 8577492)
With their first 4 picks, the Steelers have taken 3 players I had going to us, just not in the same order. I had us taking DeCastro, then Ta'amu, then Spence. There's a reason why the Steelers contend for championships almost every year while we haven't won a playoff game in almost 20 years. . .

Ben Roethlisberger?

the Talking Can 04-28-2012 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 8577492)
With their first 4 picks, the Steelers have taken 3 players I had going to us, just not in the same order. I had us taking DeCastro, then Ta'amu, then Spence. There's a reason why the Steelers contend for championships almost every year while we haven't won a playoff game in almost 20 years. . .

yeah, QB

DaKCMan AP 04-28-2012 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by malachi47000 (Post 8577497)
Do you think taking Vontaze Burfict in the 5th would be a good choice? Yes he has off the field problems and failed drug test (like Houston) however as a 5th round pick, I think it is worth the gamble. I doubt he makes it to the 7th round and would be surprised if he makes it to the 6th honestly. He has to much potential to pass up and contracts can be written to protect the chiefs organization if he pulls the same off field shit as he did in college. We took a gamble with Houston and it paid off, might be the same with Burfict and if the gamble works, talk about an amazing LB core!

No.

TimeForWasp 04-28-2012 11:16 AM

Since 2007, Devon Wylie has touched the ball only 58 times. It resulted in almost 1,000 yards, 7 td's, and a lot of excitement. Wylie missed the 2010 season due to a surgically repaired navicular fracture in his left foot. In 2011, he will return to the field potentially faster than the 4.25 forty that he ran in 2009


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I like him.

DaKCMan AP 04-28-2012 11:16 AM

Nice pick by Cleveland in James-Michael Johnson. He would have fit here.

the Talking Can 04-28-2012 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by malachi47000 (Post 8577497)
Do you think taking Vontaze Burfict in the 5th would be a good choice? Yes he has off the field problems and failed drug test (like Houston) however as a 5th round pick, I think it is worth the gamble. I doubt he makes it to the 7th round and would be surprised if he makes it to the 6th honestly. He has to much potential to pass up and contracts can be written to protect the chiefs organization if he pulls the same off field shit as he did in college. We took a gamble with Houston and it paid off, might be the same with Burfict and if the gamble works, talk about an amazing LB core!

he's terrible and will be lucky to be drafted

i'd use a 7th on him

Hammock Parties 04-28-2012 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 8577496)
Yep. One plays RB, the other WR. We just added more speed. I don't know why this picks means they need to get rid of Dex.

Because he is a shitty RB who now has no other value to the team.


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