It's OK to admit Geno is doing way better than any of you expected.

Go on.

There were 7 seconds left.

Enough time for a strike from the Choco Wonder to get them in FG range.

Your football acumen has proven to be so spot on.

Please continue to root against the Chiefs. It can only mean good things, Mr. Sanchez.

Why is anyone questioning the football acumen of Geno fans?

He's WAY ahead of where anyone thought he would be.

You got it, Mr. Pioli.

Possible? Yes. Likely? Not at all.

Well I can this point of view too
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Smith is 29. He's got a five to eight year window (min/max) to play with, especially in this system.

Bray is going to get the Rogers treatment and learn under Reid/Smith for the better part of four years. That's a positive. A big positive as his mechanicals are yuck, but his raw tools and skill set are very good and Smith is very fundamentally sound and Reid has been very effective in coaching QB's.

Daniels...meh. He is what he is - a backup.

The situation is okay.

Eight year window. LMAO

He will be out of the league by the time he's 35.

Doubt it, I can't wait for your reaction to the inevitable Smith extension. You should get real comfortable with Alex, his biggest seasons won't be until he's been in Reid's system for 3 or 4 years.

Geno will be starting for my fantasy team this week with Newton on the Bye.

Cam Newton was 1-2 in his first three starts.

Geno > Cam so far, boys.

The prophecy is coming true.

Not sure how many people here realize how big of a Geno advocate I really was pre-draft. I went into a mild football depression when the trade for Alex ruined my Geno hopes. But even I predicted just a 5-11 season for Geno this year. And he's almost halfway there. The throws he made this week were unreal.

Cam is one of the most overrated players in the league, love him doing the superman celebration when his team is getting consistently blown out. You'd think superman could at least get to .500.

Pretty good QB for not really having many weapons and a defensive minded coach.

I don't think it's really about quarterbacks for him. He's chosen to be a Claynus ball-licker. It lets him feel like he's a part of something. He doesn't even really add anything to the football debate going on, he just stands around holding Claynus's nuts like a wrestler's valet. It's kind of grotesque.

Agreed, but people seem to love him around here for some inexplicable reason.

youtube.com/watch?v=FJc_q8eH2ng

Shhhh, no positive Geno talk on these forums.

Right. The mistakes he made are correctable once he gets some more experience like any rookie QB. Those throws he made however are not teachable. That's not something you are going to teach Alex Smith to do at age 30. Geno has a ton of upside and ability and will be scary once he gets a year or two under his belt and cuts down on the picks.

LMAO

Uh, no. I pimped for Geno the whole draft season, and I am enjoying watching him apply sandpaper to tender anuses about these parts.

Maybe..If he can also get his EGO in check...The whole superman thing is stupid.

To all you GENO-HOMOS..
Lets say we went ahead with the Alex trade, but then picked Geno at 1.1
Started Alex, made Geno ride the pine, but still had our current 3-0 record with Alex...would you still be bitching?

Choco Penii phrophecy is coming true as foretold

....and yes they should have gone Geno over Fischer

Not at all. You've got your stop gap to right the ship and potential Franchise QB sitting and learning. It's not like Stephenson wouldn't be playing as well as Fisher anyways and maybe better long term.

OK..Same deal, but with any other QB except for Geno...basically what I'm saying is, would all of you still be bitching if we had took a QB at 1.1, no matter who it was.

Choco

I think everyone would bitch, write letters, etc. if the Chiefs had selected Landry Jones at 1.1.


Does that help answer your question?

No, I would bitch if Collin Klein was taken #1.

HAHA, my example sucks worse than yours :D

Day=Ruined.


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There were a few QB's who I really didn't want; Nassib, Landry Jones, Mike Glennon. Drafting any of those @ 1.1 would've had me bitching, yes.

Geno Smith was the only QB I thought was worth 1.1

In the end, I like Tyler Bray for free.

In the end if appears the concensus in NFL circles was Geno and Manuel were the top 2 guys by a significant margin. Reid/Dorsey make millions per year to get it right and they have much more access to inside stuff than we do. I'd defer to them on which one to pick, but it looks like they should have taken one of them.

But yeah, it would be nice a nice turn of events if this franchise backed ass into a Franchise QB in Bray. We are due for a break at that position.

It was definitely the best deal.

Ok..I just wanted to make sure you weren't wanting to draft a QB just because of our given history.

I can't speak for everyone, but like I've stated in multiple threads... most Geno supporters here just wanted this franchise to draft and develop a worthy QB. This does not mean throw him to the wolves week 1. Alex Smith is an excellent stop-gap (an expensive one for x2 2nd rounders, but seems worth it at this point). But when Alex is done in KC, having a groomed QB step up and take over would be nice instead of yet again trading for some other teams QB that they want to get rid of because they don't have what it takes to be explosive.

You mean the history of not having a franchise QB? Well yeah that sort of figures in. It also figures in that your alternatives are a bunch of projects. There wasn't a big time player like Von Miller, Calvin Johnson, or Suh as an alternative. There are a lot of factors.

I totally agree, especially with the stop-gap theory...hopefully, we backed into our QBOTF with BRAY

I can agree to this.

Yup. There were no Can't miss prospects in the 2013 draft, which is why the Chiefs should have gone with the best QB prospect (considering it is the most important position in sports). This was the year to "take that risk".

Good thing we selected a project RT, because that isn't risky at all.

If we had drafted Bray first overall, people would be happier than they are now.

Maybe. Obviously we don't get to sit into interviews and aren't privledged to all the information the people making the calls are. If he was taken first that would have meant he didn't screw up in interviews and such or for whatever reason he fell so you are basically talking about an imaginary player in a sense.

If they had done that though does that change everything leading up to the draft? I'm assuming Daniel isn't here at 3 million a year and Bray is the backup. That's a plus. I'm assuming Stephenson is the RT and playing better than Fisher. That's a plus.

I don't know. Interesting thought, and I'm not sure we wouldnt' be better off now and in the future.

I would say about 20% would be. I think the poll at the top of the thread would be about the same if that was the question.

**** NO.

Winston could have served the purpose of "win now" easily. EASILY. And probably better than rookie Fisher.
Goddamnit people; he may have been the best tackle in the draft, but he WAS NOT a tackle worth taking with a 1.1. PERIOD.

Anywho; back to the subject at hand. Trading for Alex, picking up Geno, and acquiring Bray would have been the best goddamned draft this franchise has had in DECADES. DECADES.
Our QB roster was pure dogshit in 2012, and with these selections/moves, it would have upgraded to out-****ing-STANDING overnight.

Well we currently have 2/3 so that's pretty good right? :spock:

I really ****ing hate it when people act like they know it all.

Most of them know exactly squat.

ROFL

Why do people keep saying this? He has only truly coached ONE QB. He didn't do squat with the rest.

My thoughts/opinions exactly.

This draft sucks! No impact players! Everyone has warts!

When presented with a bunch of bad, risky options, take the one with the most upside and potential impact.

ESPN Stats & Info ‏@ESPNStatsInfo 4m
Geno Smith & Aaron Rodgers lead NFL in completions on throws 21+ yards in air with 9

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Only thing Geno throws is quick hitches and smoke screens.

That's not true. Getting bad QBs to play so well that teams want them badly enough to give up high draft picks is doing more than squat. Reid is good with QBs. Other than in his last season, what QB didn't play well for him?

3TD's 6 Ints.

Go find Peyton Manning's first 3 games stats.... or Perhaps Alex Smith's.

Do QB's not improve their turnover ratios as they gain experience? Geno will learn what he can't get away with in the NFL and he will stop trying to force silly passes he got away with in college. It's called learning and getting better.

But whatever, you have such Hate for Geno Smith that it doesn't matter if he turns out Elite, you are still going to hate him.

I posted this back in February:

Reid had success with the #2 overall pick.

Otherwise, the average numbers for every other QB he's "hand-picked" have been ****ing brutal.

Yup. Whenever I hear "Reid is a QB guru", I just laugh.

People just keep saying it over and over.

That doesn't make it true.

I know you are trolling at this point, but those errors can be corrected as he gains experience. Having a set of balls and the ability to throw downfield are often not as easily teachable.

All you needed to do was post this:

2-1.

It's the answer for all things Alex, so...

The Choco gunslinger

I can't stoop to that level of ignorant. :p

LMAO

Yeah except Daniel serving no purpose in this life or the next whatsoever.

Who do you consider to be a QB guru? Cause you could do this for just about anyone.
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Which coach in the NFL is a QB guru?
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People sure are taking this 3-0 thing pretty hard ROFL

Fun fact: Alex Smith has as many 21+ yard attempts and completions as Matt Ryan.
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None. A coach can coach, but the QB is the one on the field performing. Typically a Head Coach is working on all aspects of the team, which is why there are seperate "QB coaches", and other specific coaches that work with the specialized position players.

Peyton Manning is a great QB because he puts in the effort to be one, not because his coaches are "QB guru's".

Dude, if the wheels fall off the wagon, what then? Really with this "3-0" shit? Really?

So you don't think a coach can improve the level of play of his QB?

So other than playcalling, a coach has no other purpose to the players?
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Clay should've made this thread about the differences between Alex and Geno Smith using the Eye Test and individual statistics. Making it about WINS and LOSSES is skewed because that is a TEAM stat.
Hence, the 3-0 vs 2-1 argument causes uproar.

We won 2 games last year and have a badass defense. Couldn't take care of the ball, now are doing like I said all offseason what turns losing teams into winners. The top like 8 teams in the NFC in TO differential had winning records last year and like 5 of 6 in the AFC. I'm enjoying the **** out if it.

Me too man. I love what I have seen.

Yes, a coach can certainly help a player prepare better. But coaches coach, and players play. A coach can spill all his knowledge to a player, but that player has to absorb the knowledge and put it to use in real time game situations.

The term "QB guru" is used so loosely about HC's, that it sounds as if you could give any QB to a HC and by some mad genius, this QB is going to turn out very successful. If only Andy Reid were that lucky.

Well you have that in common

Ignorance is tracking another teams QB like he is you own.

CP should have learned this from the Sanchez debates.

Regardless of what Geno does or doesn't do, the success of this team is dependent on what Alex Smith does.

Has Geno played reasonably well all things considered and shown signs of promise? Yes he has.I don't hate Geno Smith per se. I hate the slobbing the knob of another teams QB.

Like I said this reeks of the Cassel Sanchez debates. Guess what they both ended up sucking.

And while I don't think think Geno is going to be an above average QB, even if he is in the end it doesn't matter as long as Alex has success in KC. That means playoff wins.

And before you start screaming about SB wins, you have to win in the playoffs to get to a SB.

So basically your panties are in a bunch because threads exist on this forum that are not to the specifics YOU want to discuss?

You don't have to read a thread with Geno Smith in the title man, you can simply ignore threads that you do not want to read about/and discuss.

This forum would not be anywhere near as strong as it is without discussions about topics that don't suit your fancy.

Click on the Ignore Thread man. That solves your problem.

Well said.

I've never understood why this place refuses to recognize talented players on other teams, nor the double standard that exists when debating players.

Objectivity used to be a strength of this place.

What do backup QBs do while being the backup? What are their day-to-day responsibilities?

I assume that they are the QB against the first string defense in practice, but I maybe wrong about that as well.

I agree $3 mil for a backup is a lot, so Daniel's value has to be a lot more than just standing on the sidelines with a backwards hat.

I never said I minded the debate, I said people slobbering over Geno and worrying over his every pass look ridiculous.And they do.

I don't mind laughing at it. By all means keep it up.

That's why when he has his issues that will get thrown around here too.