How did Perd Hapley get in there?

Yes, plus no Silvio, no FF this year. He has played great since coming along late in the season.

36% ROFLLMAO

So fitting that not only KU won, but it went to OT.... that's a tossup game every ****ing time.

Best #1 see ever!!!1!111!!!1! We're ****ed!

:clap:

Are you guys serious? He's obviously been reverse-jinxing this entire time. My God.

I'll take suggestions for KCC's name change. I was thinking Kenpom_wrong, but I like this one, too.

It's called trolling.

Give Duke fans credit. There are pure class over here:


https://duke.forums.rivals.com/threa...o-ku.10856270/


No whining or bitching in any of the other threads, either.

Silvio is mentally and physically an actual ****ing monster by the way.

That dude is going to be T-Rob dominant next year.

Is this KCConnection?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">KU can’t win the big 12. KU can’t win the big 12 tournament without Doke. KU might lose to Penn, KU isn’t good enough to beat Duke. Please keep doubting. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/kubball?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#kubball</a></p>&mdash; Logan Jones (@ljones033) <a href="https://twitter.com/ljones033/status/978061634504724480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

There it is!


Did I call that or what???

I still can't believe a team i saw lose two home games in person is in a final four.

Damn that’s some classy fans. :clap:

Don't read their game thread.


Self has coached 16 games vs Dook, UNC and Kentucky. What's his record?

No doubt. Silvio has been great. Man, the dude has really had to learn and progress a lot since he arrived in late December. Love Mitch but DeSousa is much better as our big guy.

Actually, I have been wondering about that. But is that giving him too much credit?

Damn it! Why are you showing us this? How am I supposed to hate Duke when they have classy fans like this? :cuss:

He's even more of a dumbass if it's "mojo" and "jinxing"... is he twelve?

At least kenpom is statistic based, even if it's used to be a chicken little (and if those percentages have been real all tournament, something's obviously wrong).

Im on my phone so I can’t post the article.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/duke-ge...005752533.html

I would drop Reed and Greene. You need to add Frank Mason, Mario Chalmers, and Ryan Robertson. You may even need to add Newman before long.

Give me Boschee all day though.

Anyone who blames the refs is an idiot. Duke had 4 team fouls in the entire second half and the first few minutes of OT.

Oh, I agree. The people who are worried about stuff like who starts the game thread and/or all of that superstition that goes with it are nuts. Nothing we do has any effect whatsoever on the game.

And yeah, Kenpom is good for stats and to get an idea of how teams matchup. But, like any stats based algorithm, it has flaws. Not to mention that sometimes teams play better than what the stats would suggest. And stats don't always tell the whole story. For instance, I wondered how Duke's young players would perform in this kind of pressure packed game vs the older and much more experienced Jayhawks. The results were mixed.

Anyone headed to San Antonio?

I'd be especially surprised if the 36% is right, as far as KU's chance to beat Duke... it was quite obvious going into the tournament there were no juggernauts, and losing almost 2 out of every 3 is pretty far out there for a 1 vs 2.

I didn't watch Duke a lot this year, but happened to catch them during a couple losses where they didn't look great, so I basically gave everyone the benefit of the doubt, cracked open a beer, and had low expectations. Once it was really obvious it would be a tossup and it got down to the wire though, I was quite a bit more pumped than usual.... don't think I sat down for the last ~10 minutes. LMAO

Boschee/Heinrich was ****ing disgusting. So ****ing good.

I can't believe what the **** I watched. Duke (as much as I ****ing hate them) have better talent than us. Especially size. They should have housed us.

KU showed up big time and Self outcoached Kazoo by a wide ass margin.

I can't believe this shit. It's sooooo much fun!

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We are very fortunate that they didn’t just pound the ball into Bagley on every possession. I know the defensive scheme helped contribute to that though. But it seems we had more focus on getting Azibuke touches than they were with Bagley.

He's never lost to Roy, I don't think.

KU lost pretty badly to Kentucky in one early regular season game as far as I know, plus the 2012 championship.

I don't know about Duke, so I'm going to guess he has one loss against them. And I'll throw in an extra just to be safe.

I'm going to guess 12-4

I don’t know why they didn’t. You know the small guys can’t cover him and Doke will foul.

I'd go if i wasn't getting married in 5 months

I think I’m gonna try to go down for the semifinal game Saturday then head back sunday

Not sure yet

Is Nova any good?

Lost to Duke in 2012. Maui Invitational Championship.

Lost to UK twice in 2012. Once in the Champions Classic. Once in the title game.

Also lost to UK in the Champions Classic in 2015. Blow out.

Beat Roy in the Tourney 3 times. Beat Duke in the Champions Classic in 2014 and 2017. Beat Duke today. Beat UK in the SEC challenge in 2016 and 2017. Beat UK in the Champions Classic in 2018.

I think we also beat UK in Self’s second year. I wanna say we had CJ Giles and we beat them by like 20 in the Phog.

I’m missing 2 games. They were probably in Self’s earlier time at Kansas. We’ve only played Roy 3 times, so it’s some combianation of games against UK and Duke. Probably Pre-Calipari UK.

At best, he’s 12-4 against them.

I dont understand why you guys are so hard on KCC. He hasnt said he thought KU would lose until the Duke game. All he is is a Kenpom regurgitator(which is basically what Vegas spreads are) and when he tells you the odds or spread of the game you all lose your shit. Its quite comical really.

Id rather watch it at Power and Light. Always had a blast at watch parties down there and they even improved their audio and video this year

How did this team manage to out rebound Duke 47-32 today? I'm just in absolute disbelief about today. What a game.

Just looked up the other two games.

We won at UK in 2005. The blowout win against UK was 2006.

We also beat UK in the tourney in 2007.

So yes, he is 12-4.

We beat uk when they were an 8 seed, in 2007 when billy gillispie was their coach

12-4 it is

14-2 vs ACC, including 5-1 vs Dook/UNC

I'm back on Bail's bandwagon now. For a week

I have no idea WTF the Duke bigs were doing. They got theirs but they should have wrecked us on paper. Maybe the ACC isn’t as good as I give them credit for and they just look good vs ACC teams.

Maybe Kazoo shit the bed on prep.

Maybe they all got boozed up last night.

I don’t know. But it is something ridiculous. Their 2 bigs are ****ing good.

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Duke may have had the superior talent, but we were absolutely the better team.

Can we just celebrate the fact that Greyson Allen won’t be in the final four. College basketball is a better place when Duke has a truely hateable player.

I don't know about all of this James Bond talk, but I've never once predicted KU to lose any game they've played. I've simply presented the odds for what they are. In fact, if anything, I could be said to have predicted them to win as I have them winning my bracket (albeit against my better judgment).

This is the great misperception about probability-based statistics. Just because the less likely outcome occurred (the 36%) in that particular instance, it does not mean that the stats were in any way wrong to begin with. There was always still a 36% chance that what transpired yesterday actually would occur.

De Sousa made Carter and Bagley look soft all game. He's going to be incredible and likely one of the best rebounders this program has ever had.

I also don't know why Svi chose this game in his college career to remember that he's 6'8, 2'10 with incredible leaping ability but I'm glad he did.

Self's defense forced the ball out of the hands of their mismatch (Bagley vs. whichever guard) more often than not and K never really adjusted. Led to a lot of shots for Duval but we were all right with that.

"KU is really a 4th seed"-KCC

I believe I said that they have the statistical profile of a regular 3-4 seed in the tournament, not a #1 seed. That is true and also continues to be the case.

KCC obviously roots for KU. He's just not afraid to say what he thinks about the team's chances.

He's the same poster he has been for years. I don't know why so many people in this thread have suddenly decided to whine so much about it.

What an unbelievable night on Mass Street! I took my daughters, and we had a blast!

Can we also take a moment to recognize Svi’s incredible box out at the end of regulation? That saved our season.

Just an incredible final minute there for him.

I have always enjoyed the quality ball that KU has so consistently produced. It is a great program with such history and brings great ball to the very heart of the country. Hope that go all the way.

Duke got away with a lot more than they got screwed. Yeah, that probably should have been a charge on Malik. That still didn't make up for several missed calls on Duke. Dok got called for hooking a player but I can't tell you how many times I saw Duke players doing the same exact thing and not getting called for it. So cry me a river, Puke.

so where is everyone watching us lose to Villanova on Saturday?

:rolleyes:

I don't see how if the spread is 3-4 points that the other team has a 65% chance of winning. That makes no sense to me. That would seem to be much closer to a toss-up.

I have no idea how to embed from instagram - but here's an emotional Self talking to the team after the game.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BgxYNQQHHjc

I'll tell you what it is. It's something that Kenpom does not seem to account for. KU has experience. They experienced a ton of tournament games over the past 3 years and came up one game short of the Final Four. Duke has 4 out of 5 starters that are freshmen. Sure, they are uber talented. That doesn't always mean everything. Sometimes, that experience and the determination it takes to not experience the heartache of yet another year of not getting to the FF is enough to push a team over the hump. No stats algorithm is gonna have a measure for heart.

Boy he fought them tears hard

Also DeSouza. He doesn't have a track record, he was playing high school ball 3 months ago. What statistic or Kenpom love is going to account for him?

Duke superior talent?


Lol. Nobody with a brain thinks that.


Their guards suck ball-sacks. 6-24 from deep yesterday. That sucks.


If they didn't suck, they wouldn't have lost 8x this year. Bagley alone ensured about a 20-10 record at worst. What did their guards really add to that? Very little.

Quite the party in Lawrence last night...

ROCK CHALK!

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When the bracket came out I thought, how freakin' great would it be if Kansas knocked that douche out of the tournament... especially after yet another instance where he hip checked a UNC player a week or two before.

Well, yeah...

Saying a team will win almost two thirds of the time is quite the statement when it's a 1 vs 2 seed.. that's closer to 2012 Kentucky than a lot of 1 vs 2 games.

If Kansas had shot 50%+ from 3 or had shot 60% overall to Duke's 30% or something along those lines, then you can make a case that it was the one game out of 3 or whatever that KU could win.

Nothing that crazy happened though to make anyone think Duke would have won the next two games in a 3 game series... it was a tossup game before the tournament started, it was a tossup game yesterday morning, and it was a tossup game all game.

It's a misconception that stuff you read on the internet is automatically true.

Midnight at Allen Fieldhouse:

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It also took some luck. We are pretty damned lucky that Greyson Allen didn’t hit one of the 2 last shots he took. They were decent looks and he’s typically not going to miss 2 out of 2 in that situation.

Thank ****ing Christ he did but yeah. That was a good bounce.

How many Duke players will be lottery picks compared to how many KU players? Really, this is just silly.

Well, they say you need a little luck in the tournament. And there's also the old saying that luck is preparation and perspiration. How lucky was Duke that KU missed several wide open 3s? Svi rarely misses those shots when they are wide open.

KU #1! Go team!!!!

Kansas also missed 2 or 3 open threes in the last couple minutes. And it would have been one thing for Duke to win on the last shot, but when it was obvious he was going to take the shot... my neighbors' neighbors might have heard me when that didn't fall.

It's been a while since I've been that pumped up at the end of a game... probably since that Michigan tournament game or the previous year when they beat UNC to get to the Final Four and then OSU in the FF.

Sometime it's better to be lucky then good.

Mass St. was indeed nuts after the game. I watched at Liberty Hall (which was SO fun), and as soon as the game ended, the masses were on the street. North Mass crowd started going south, then what appeared to be a huge crowd from the Granada area started coming north. The meeting in the middle was rowdy!

Sure, luck and bounce of the ball plays a part in all close games. Svi missed 3 wide open 3’s late in the game before the last one in regulation. You could say we left 9 points off the board there.

Eh, missing open shots isn't exactly leaving points on the board.

Missing an open layup maybe.

KU played really awesome on the defensive end though, and Self really outcoached K.

Here's the issue with KCC and Kenpom and basically KCC (plus Prison Bitch) and advanced analytics in general :

KU is graded based off a rolling 37 game sample size and doesn't take into account Malik Newman has been the best player in the country for about 7 games. Before that, he was ... not this guy. Since the start of the Big 12 tournament, he is suddenly Kemba Walker. The guy is everything Andrew Wiggins and Ben McLemore weren't for KU when elimination games started. Wiggins' wanted nothing to do with the 'big moment', whereas Newman wants everyone to get the **** out of the way. Hell, Devonte Graham tried to throw the game away in overtime with that ridiculous pass to De'Souza (why? why? Why even try that?) and his missed front end of the 1 and 1.

Speaking of De'Souza - yep, again, Kenpom only has about a 7 game sample size of him, as well - so KU is graded on a curve that doesn't recognize the emergence of Malik Newman, superstar and De'Souza, 5 quality fouls, high energy guy who is a better defensive rebounder and presence than Azubuike.

Thus, the Kenpom ratings on KU are EXTREMELY flawed.

Even with all of that, according to the research, KU was 36% to win - people are acting like that is some sort of 'hail mary' - do any of you play poker? That's basically 7 8 offsuit against AK suited - who cares? It's barely anything. KU were 3 point dogs playing essentially in front of a home crowd - they outplayed Duke the entire game and almost lost entirely due to missed shots down the stretch.

The problem with KCC is this is the card he always plays - it's the, "well we have no shot based off the numbers so of course we're going to most likely lose, that's just common sense, because this, this and this" leaving him always open for the, "well yeah, we won because Bill Self is a great coach and KU hit shots!"

I'm right with him on LeBron, but he does it with LeBron every year - LeBron can never win because his team is never that good - but LeBron is so good that if they win, it's always because LeBron is the best. Prison Bitch does the exact opposite - he never makes a prediction, but waits for the 'crash and burn', so that he can blame Bill Self or Eric Hosmer or Alex Gordon on why everything crashed and burned. But hey, if they win it all, PB can just make fun of KCC because PB also never makes any predictions, just trolls on the side to rile everyone up.

Pretty dumb.

Either way - I thought Duke would probably win, but I figured if Malik kept playing like the best player in the tournament, KU could beat anybody.

Malik is 1 more big game against Nova from playing himself from a no-brainer back at KU next year to a top 20 pick - he might have already done it. Hopefully KU gets a National Championship out of this, but you can kiss Newman goodbye.

Newman is the most clutch KU player I've seen since Chalmers - and even Chalmers only made 1 shot. Newman is everything Andrew Wiggins wasn't. Wiggins had no heart. Newman is all heart. You gonna bet against KU with Newman playing like this? I'm not.

And.........Hooties back.

KU will win this tournament because this tournament is always won by the best guard with the most heart when one emerges - there is nobody else left that is playing at Malik Newman's level - he's doing exactly what Kemba Walker did in 2011.

Malik is going to go down as a KU icon when he pulls this off - I expect more heroics from #14 Saturday.

Just to quickly put KCC back in his place - using Kenpom that takes into account the first 30 games from Newman this year is just ... funny.

What other team left in the final 16 had a guy who suddenly went from option 4 to the best player on the team deadly from behind the arc with a knack for performing in the clutch?

The fact none of you could point that out makes me sad for this board.

No, I'm glad your back.

It's hard to use the small sample size of Newman to determine he'd have the tourney he's had, but it's been awesome to watch.