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Coach 09-30-2018 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13775056)
But it he a "must-extend"?

I say no.

I say yes, because slot CB's are valuable as a outside CB's, especially with today's passing game.

htismaqe 09-30-2018 03:02 PM

His play absolutely need to improve. Right now, he's the 2nd best CB on the roster.

Naptown Chief 09-30-2018 03:02 PM

ET is a starting safety. Been a while since we've had one of those..

pugsnotdrugs19 09-30-2018 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13775130)
His play absolutely need to improve. Right now, he's the 2nd best CB on the roster.

No way. Fuller is the best corner, and he’s 23.

I’d keep him.

O.city 09-30-2018 03:04 PM

Just put earl in bubble wrap today

htismaqe 09-30-2018 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13775138)
No way. Fuller is the best corner, and he’s 23.

I’d keep him.

He's being outplayed by Orlando Scandrick.

He misses a ton of tackles and has given up several big plays.'

Sure, he can improve. And yes, there's a bunch of garbage on this team at CB.

But we're talking about busting the cap here. I'm not doing that for Fuller. If it comes down to getting a guy like ET or keeping Fuller, Fuller can go.

jaa1025 09-30-2018 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 13774984)
Yeah Chris Jones is a great guy, but not a dominant player. Kendall Fuller is a great guy, but has to prove he’s a starting corner. Tyreek is the only one that is a game breaker and should get his money.

Chris Jones is a good, not great player. He won't break the bank to sign.
kendall Fuller is a good CB, not great. However, this is his first season as starting CB (on the outside), so he could still ascend.
Tyreek is an elite WR and will command top 5 WR money and deservedly so.

The Chiefs can easily sign all three players and sign ET. They are in GREAT cap shape for the next few years.

htismaqe 09-30-2018 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaa1025 (Post 13775155)
Chris Jones is a good, not great player. He won't break the bank to sign.
kendall Fuller is a good CB, not great. However, this is his first season as starting CB (on the outside), so he could still ascend.
Tyreek is an elite WR and will command top 5 WR money and deservedly so.

The Chiefs can easily sign all three players and sign ET. They are in GREAT cap shape for the next few years.

:clap::clap::clap:

jaa1025 09-30-2018 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13775148)
He's being outplayed by Orlando Scandrick.

He misses a ton of tackles and has given up several big plays.'

Sure, he can improve. And yes, there's a bunch of garbage on this team at CB.

But we're talking about busting the cap here. I'm not doing that for Fuller. If it comes down to getting a guy like ET or keeping Fuller, Fuller can go.

PFF has Orlando Scandrick graded as the 59th best CB, Kendal Fuller as 39th.

htismaqe 09-30-2018 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaa1025 (Post 13775172)
PFF has Orlando Scandrick graded as the 59th best CB, Kendal Fuller as 39th.

Must have swapped places after the SF game. Good sign.

Titty Meat 09-30-2018 03:12 PM

PFF is trash quit quoting it like its credible

TwistedChief 09-30-2018 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13775199)
Must have swapped places after the SF game. Good sign.

Was PFF really how you were determining that Scandrick was better than Fuller?

Sample size has been small. My own eyes tell me neither has been exceptional. One is 23, was ranked as a top-3 slot corner last year, is still evolving, and Skins players and fans were all gutted when he was the player in the Smith trade. Scandrick left the Skins to sign with the Cowboys who determined he wasn't good enough and then the Chiefs signed him off the scrap heap to replace Amerson who was returned to the scrap heap.

I think even if PFF says otherwise, Fuller is the better corner.

Sassy Squatch 09-30-2018 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13775213)
PFF is trash quit quoting it like its credible

Khalil Mack inexplicably isn't the best graded player.

carcosa 09-30-2018 03:22 PM

Eagles probably could have used Earl Thomas today...

htismaqe 09-30-2018 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 13775237)
Was PFF really how you were determining that Scandrick was better than Fuller?

Nope, I was using PFF to double-check what I was seeing with my own eyes. Fuller was touted as a better tackler than Peters - so far, he hasn't been. He's also gotten burned a few times.

For the first 3 games, Scandrick was the better player, both to my eyes AND to PFF. Apparently, PFF liked Fuller's game last week. Both of them did pretty well to me. The safeties are the real problem.

Sassy Squatch 09-30-2018 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 13775255)
Eagles probably could have used Earl Thomas today...

Good luck fitting him in with the disaster their cap is right now.

O.city 09-30-2018 03:32 PM

Come on cardinals

Strongside 09-30-2018 03:34 PM

Seahawks look like a team that could really use OL help.

2nd and Wylie for Thomas?

Sassy Squatch 09-30-2018 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strongside (Post 13775292)
Seahawks look like a team that could really use OL help.

2nd and Wylie for Thomas?

I'd do that. Doubt the Seahawks would.

Sassy Squatch 09-30-2018 03:39 PM

Just saw the Cardinals are leading the Seahawks. Thats.... interesting.

htismaqe 09-30-2018 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13775304)
I'd do that. Doubt the Seahawks would.

Yeah, I don't think the Seahawks would take that.

Strongside 09-30-2018 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13775307)
Just saw the Cardinals are leading the Seahawks. Thats.... interesting.

Seahawks tanking can only mean they'll be quicker to begin looking toward the future – which means they need them draft picks.

Enter: Brett Veach.

htismaqe 09-30-2018 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strongside (Post 13775313)
Seahawks tanking can only mean they'll be quicker to begin looking toward the future – which means they need them draft picks.

Enter: Brett Veach.

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=h...B4EE4B8E20&f=1

O.city 09-30-2018 03:43 PM

They want or should want picks not players

New World Order 09-30-2018 03:44 PM

For the love of god just send them the second.

I won't be able to get over it if we lose a 34-30 type game in the playoffs.

Naptown Chief 09-30-2018 03:45 PM

Did that POS (Veach) agree to trade yet?

CoMoChief 09-30-2018 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwwataz (Post 13775325)
Did that POS (Veach) agree to trade yet?

ROFL

Sassy Squatch 09-30-2018 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 13775321)
For the love of god just send them the second.

I won't be able to get over it if we lose a 34-30 type game in the playoffs.

If Brett Veach is playing hardball over a singular 2nd round pick we've got bigger problems.

Dante84 09-30-2018 03:46 PM

They need a TE. Maybe send the Dumbasstrius and a 2nd?

Naptown Chief 09-30-2018 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13775327)
If Brett Veach is playing hardball over a singular 2nd round pick we've got bigger problems.

No kidding. I was booed off the stage when I said to fire him too. Admittedly, I was kidding. I'm not too sure now..

Sassy Squatch 09-30-2018 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 13775329)
They need a TE. Maybe send the Dumbasstrius and a 2nd?

I'd offer an unenthusiastic handjob as well to that.

Naptown Chief 09-30-2018 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 13775329)
They need a TE. Maybe send the Dumbasstrius and a 2nd?

Yes! Too birds with one stone.. I can dig it

New World Order 09-30-2018 03:48 PM

Last thing we need is for a team like Dallas to see some light and try to get him (again).

Pasta Little Brioni 09-30-2018 03:48 PM

Speaks, Watts, and a bag o dicks should do the trick

FAX 09-30-2018 03:51 PM

They could probably have Incompletius for nothing.

As for Fuller ... I have observed Chiefs fans for a long time and have learned that Chiefs fans are susceptible to over-hype. When the media (particularly the KC Star) tells them that a particular player is dope, they tend to believe it. Before, I might add, that player has seen a single snap.

Fuller might have been good in the Skins' defense. This one is a tad different. Plus, he's playing outside as well as taking slot duty in the nickel and dime packages.

To me, it seems as though the jury's still out. Is he Fuller? Or is he Emptier? Time will tell, I suppose.

FAX

Simply Red 09-30-2018 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13775148)
He's being outplayed by Orlando Scandrick.

He misses a ton of tackles and has given up several big plays.'

Sure, he can improve. And yes, there's a bunch of garbage on this team at CB.

But we're talking about busting the cap here. I'm not doing that for Fuller. If it comes down to getting a guy like ET or keeping Fuller, Fuller can go.

Yip - Scandrick has been playing pretty darned good.

RippedmyFlesh 09-30-2018 04:00 PM

Seahawks seeking two 2nd-rounders for Earl Thomas

NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported that Seattle's price in any trade talks for Thomas is two second-round picks, according to a source informed of the situation.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...or-earl-thomas

htismaqe 09-30-2018 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh (Post 13775365)
Seahawks seeking two 2nd-rounders for Earl Thomas

NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported that Seattle's price in any trade talks for Thomas is two second-round picks, according to a source informed of the situation.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...or-earl-thomas

We knew this last night!

:D

CupidStunt 09-30-2018 04:01 PM

Thanks for the brand new information.

Meanwhile SEA losing to the pathetic Cards. Let's hope that happens and SEA just says screw it and finally deals him.

Strongside 09-30-2018 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh (Post 13775365)
Seahawks seeking two 2nd-rounders for Earl Thomas

NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported that Seattle's price in any trade talks for Thomas is two second-round picks, according to a source informed of the situation.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...or-earl-thomas

BREAKING NEWS

ROYC75 09-30-2018 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh (Post 13775365)
Seahawks seeking two 2nd-rounders for Earl Thomas

NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported that Seattle's price in any trade talks for Thomas is two second-round picks, according to a source informed of the situation.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...or-earl-thomas

Too much for his age.

RippedmyFlesh 09-30-2018 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13775377)
We knew this last night!

:D

Sorry I have a hard time keeping up on big threads. They can want something doesn't mean they will get it.

PS
4K may be our only hope

Sassy Squatch 09-30-2018 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh (Post 13775392)
Sorry I have a hard time keeping up on big threads. They can want something doesn't mean they will get it.

PS
4K may be our only hope

Little odd that Schefter has the asking price at 1 2nd rounder.

Strongside 09-30-2018 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 13775388)
Too much for his age.

Christ almighty I'm tired of hearing this.

On average, other than quarterbacks, the easiest position to play at a high level at a later age is high safety.

Ed Reed was an All-Pro at 34 years old, and continued to be elite even after that.

30 is not old for a guy like Earl Thomas.

New World Order 09-30-2018 04:11 PM

Philly traded for Darby. They went to the SB

We shouldn't be afraid to trade a second for the best defensive player in the game who can play at an elite level for at least 3 more years.

T-post Tom 09-30-2018 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh (Post 13775365)
Seahawks seeking two 2nd-rounders for Earl Thomas

NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported that Seattle's price in any trade talks for Thomas is two second-round picks, according to a source informed of the situation.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...or-earl-thomas



Sort of indicates they're thinking of the Chiefs, if this is true. Hard to imagine them trading for Bell since he's a 6 yr RB that isn't happy with $14,544,000 this season and turned down a $70M deal already.

Unless some other team steps up, Chiefs still have a good shot. 2 second rounders is too much. Could see a 2019 2nd rounder and a lower round pick in 2020. (Or maybe swapping picks in 2020.)

htismaqe 09-30-2018 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 13775388)
Too much for his age.

:facepalm:

RippedmyFlesh 09-30-2018 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strongside (Post 13775423)
Christ almighty I'm tired of hearing this.

On average, other than quarterbacks, the easiest position to play at a high level at a later age is high safety.

Ed Reed was an All-Pro at 34 years old, and continued to be elite even after that.

30 is not old for a guy like Earl Thomas.

And if its the Rams 2nd and ours they are going to be later round picks.

htismaqe 09-30-2018 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh (Post 13775441)
And if its the Rams 2nd and ours they are going to be later round picks.

63rd and 64th overall. :D

pugsnotdrugs19 09-30-2018 04:15 PM

The Chiefs are an Earl Thomas trade away from probably having their best chance at a SB in I don’t even know how many years.

If you can make a reasonable deal then why the **** not?

carcosa 09-30-2018 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwwataz (Post 13775325)
Did that POS (Veach) agree to trade yet?

I hate him!!!!! (pending trade for Earl Thomas)

htismaqe 09-30-2018 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13775445)
The Chiefs are an Earl Thomas trade away from probably having their best chance at a SB in I don’t even know how many years.

If you can make a reasonable deal then why the **** not?

I know, right?

Naptown Chief 09-30-2018 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh (Post 13775392)
Sorry I have a hard time keeping up on big threads. They can want something doesn't mean they will get it.

PS
4K may be our only hope

5k!

carcosa 09-30-2018 04:17 PM

Has anyone considered that trading for Thomas could actually motivate Berry to get on the field??? Might be worth playing through the pain if you're paired with an All Pro!!!!

htismaqe 09-30-2018 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 13775457)
Has anyone considered that trading for Thomas could actually motivate Berry to get on the field??? Might be worth playing through the pain if you're paired with an All Pro!!!!

:clap:

Naptown Chief 09-30-2018 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 13775449)
I hate him!!!!! (pending trade for Earl Thomas)

He's a bad man and a bad GM (pending ET trade)

rico 09-30-2018 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strongside (Post 13775423)
Christ almighty I'm tired of hearing this.

On average, other than quarterbacks, the easiest position to play at a high level at a later age is high safety.

Ed Reed was an All-Pro at 34 years old, and continued to be elite even after that.

30 is not old for a guy like Earl Thomas.

I’m right with you on that. Charles Woodson played til he was 39-40.... I don’t remember him playing at a low level, ever.

O.city 09-30-2018 04:20 PM

Do it

Get him off the field in Arizona

RippedmyFlesh 09-30-2018 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 13775457)
Has anyone considered that trading for Thomas could actually motivate Berry to get on the field??? Might be worth playing through the pain if you're paired with an All Pro!!!!

Even for just 1 game a playoff win against NE.

Sassy Squatch 09-30-2018 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13775445)
The Chiefs are an Earl Thomas trade away from probably having their best chance at a SB in I don’t even know how many years.

If you can make a reasonable deal then why the **** not?

2 2nd rounders isn't reasonable. Veach should be telling them to **** off. 1 2nd rounder should have Thomas here already. Depends on what the real asking price is.

ct 09-30-2018 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 13775439)
Sort of indicates they're thinking of the Chiefs, if this is true. Hard to imagine them trading for Bell since he's a 6 yr RB that isn't happy with $14,544,000 this season and turned down a $70M deal already.

Unless some other team steps up, Chiefs still have a good shot. 2 second rounders is too much. Could see a 2019 2nd rounder and a lower round pick in 2020. (Or maybe swapping picks in 2020.)

2019 2nd round pick + 2020 4th round pick

for

S Earl Thomas + 2020 6th round pick


sound familiar? :hmmm:

CoMoChief 09-30-2018 04:30 PM

two 2nd round picks?

htismaqe 09-30-2018 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13775487)
2 2nd rounders isn't reasonable. Veach should be telling them to **** off. 1 2nd rounder should have Thomas here already. Depends on what the real asking price is.

Our two 2nd rounders will almost be 3rd rounders. It's absolutely reasonable, especially considering this team's history with 2nd rounders.

RippedmyFlesh 09-30-2018 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ct (Post 13775489)
2019 2nd round pick + 2020 4th round pick

for

S Earl Thomas + 2020 6th round pick


sound familiar? :hmmm:

Seems reasonable wouldn't even care if they didn't throw in the 6th rounder.

Couch-Potato 09-30-2018 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ct (Post 13775489)
2019 2nd round pick + 2020 4th round pick

for

S Earl Thomas + 2020 6th round pick


sound familiar? :hmmm:

I'm in.

htismaqe 09-30-2018 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 13775506)
I'm in.

If that were actually the price, he'd already be a Chiefs I'm guessing.

RunKC 09-30-2018 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13775445)
The Chiefs are an Earl Thomas trade away from probably having their best chance at a SB in I don’t even know how many years.

If you can make a reasonable deal then why the **** not?

Veach is waiting this out to get the price down. I don’t blame him for trying.

Sassy Squatch 09-30-2018 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13775499)
Our two 2nd rounders will almost be 3rd rounders. It's absolutely reasonable, especially considering this team's history with 2nd rounders.

Nope. Veach needs to learn to draft better, not throw away a valuable pick just so Seattle can save face.

htismaqe 09-30-2018 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13775511)
Veach is waiting this out to get the price down. I don’t blame him for trying.

Nope. He's just doing his job.

htismaqe 09-30-2018 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13775515)
Nope. Veach needs to learn to draft better, not throw away a valuable pick just so Seattle can save face.

He's a freaking NFL general manager. If he's "learning" to draft at this stage of the game, this team is SCREWED.

All the more reason to go all in and try to win it this year because the future you so dearly cherish will never happen.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-30-2018 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13775487)
2 2nd rounders isn't reasonable. Veach should be telling them to **** off. 1 2nd rounder should have Thomas here already. Depends on what the real asking price is.

I don’t disagree, I’m just saying that for the people saying ET is too old, etc.

ct 09-30-2018 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13775509)
If that were actually the price, he'd already be a Chiefs I'm guessing.

agree, just putting in perspective we traded a star d-back at less than his "market value", and they may end up doing the same.

when it's known they gone eventually, you cant get full value.

now if a bidding war ensues, they will, and i'm guessing we're out

Sassy Squatch 09-30-2018 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13775519)
He's a freaking NFL general manager. If he's "learning" to draft at this stage of the game, this team is SCREWED.

All the more reason to go all in and try to win it this year because the future you so dearly cherish will never happen.

Won't happen. Not at 2 2nds.

New World Order 09-30-2018 04:36 PM

Longer we wait, the worse I feel about a team hurdling over us for Thomas.

RunKC 09-30-2018 04:36 PM

Wait the Seahawks are considering trading Earl Thomas to the Steelers for LeVeon Bell?

After they drafted a RB in the first rd?

How the **** did the Seahawks ever build a dynasty with these dumbasses?

htismaqe 09-30-2018 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13775522)
Won't happen. Not at 2 2nds.

You said it wasn't reasonable.

Now you're saying it won't happen.

Make up your mind.

htismaqe 09-30-2018 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13775525)
Wait the Seahawks are considering trading Earl Thomas to the Steelers for LeVeon Bell?

After they drafted a RB in the first rd?

How the **** did the Seahawks ever build a dynasty with these dumbasses?

That's a bogus rumor, probably floated by the Seahawks to increase interest.

T-post Tom 09-30-2018 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ct (Post 13775489)
2019 2nd round pick + 2020 4th round pick

for

S Earl Thomas + 2020 6th round pick


sound familiar? :hmmm:

Are socks included?

Sassy Squatch 09-30-2018 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13775527)
You said it wasn't reasonable.

Now you're saying it won't happen.

Make up your mind.

It's both.

htismaqe 09-30-2018 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13775532)
It's both.

I'm totally convinced at this point that your only stake in this is being a major buzzkill.

You move the line over and over. First it's an opinion and then it's not, and then it's a prediction of what will happen, and then it's not.

Just come out and say it - you enjoy being miserable and want everybody else to share in it.

:rolleyes:


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