Had to go all the way to 8 before seeing a team that was successful in the playoffs, then it's very lean after that.

Are we just ignoring the Saints playoffs now that Brees is retired

Do they still have a team?

Ha no but you said was successful in the playoffs, the Saints and Titans have been successful just not as much as us.

But there is a good point that a great RB doesn't really do much for your team wins-wise.

The ranking was based on last season. So, last season's playoffs. Sorry, I should have clarified.

Bet he's TOP 10 on the JAG list though, so there!

Probably Juju/MVS if our offense takes a step back. (Spoilers: it probably will)

THIS! He is NOT even on the list! Silly? Ok, this is year 3 so, hopefully he "breaks" out but, I am not and will not hold my breath. The writing is on the wall and we wasted a 1st round draft pick - it happens. Learn and move on.

LMAO Who the **** is Joel and why should I care how he ranks RBs? Y'all realize that list is the opinion of a dude with less than 2k followers an not based on any facts or stats, right?

Who would you take off the list to replace with Clyde?

What? Clyde is on the list.

Didn’t realize I had to open it to see him at the bottom of it lol. My b.

Oh buy all means, entertain us! Who EXACTLY please! #WAITING He is near the BOTTOM of the list. Like I said it is year 3 so I EXPECT a solid year or simply write him off as a bust.

I mean, if you really need a glaring example of just how worthless that list is McCaffrey at 6 should be a blaring alarm, but let's do a little exercise to further demonstrate it.

Player A: 4.4 YPC, 53.1 YPG, 4 TDs

Player B: 4.3 YPC, 51.7 YPG, 4 TDs

Breece Hall and Saquon. Breece has yet to play a game and Saquon, based on where he was taken has been a far bigger disappointment. Many might be upset with CEH, but at least he was taken #32 and not top 5.

Some of you guys are making a gallbladder sound like goddamn covid, monkey pox or Arkancide. It’s not a damn death sentence, especially when you have access to the best medical care on the face of the freaking earth. He has sucked, does suck and will suck. I’d rather have Larry Johnson back at this point and I was glad they cut his ass.

...why does number of followers matter?

Just shows how unimportant RB is in the grand scheme of things.

That a horrid analysis. Look at the 40 time: 4.65. Jones simply doesn't have home run ability like Charles.

RoJo is much closer to Knile Davis than Jamaal.

Because it establishes that he's a random person on Twitter that made a list based on his opinion. It's literally meaningless when it comes to discussing CEH.

There's plenty of ways to point out the fact that CEH thus far has been a mediocre at best RB and a disappointment for his draft slot. A rando's personal RB rankings doesn't register at all.

Yeah, I've got no love for CEH but even I'm not sure I could put him at #32. At the same time, I struggle to find many other starting backs I'd put behind him.

I think I'd put Melvin Gordon below CEH.

That tells me that CEH is a bottom third starting RB in the NFL at best.

The issue with any list ranking these RBs is going to be criteria. Where do you put guys like CMC and Saquon? They've shown that they can be elite, but it's been years since they've produced at that level. Breece Hall has yet to play an NFL snap. Where do you put guys like James Conner, Cordarrelle Patterson and Lenny Fournette who have been decent their entire career but had a resurgence last season? (James Conner scored 18 TDs last year).

In any case, that dude's list is pretty funky. In no universe is Melvin Gordon a better RB than Kareem Hunt.

I don't follow college football so I can't argue about his pre-draft comp but I have to agree, on the surface that doesn't make much sense.

RoJo doesn't have Charles' speed and though they're of similar height, Jones has like 10-15 pounds on JC. I assumed the comparison must have been weighted heavily on their running style.

Yeah, I think there's some odd ones. After Patterson's year he surely needs to be higher. On the other hand guys like Barkley, Kamara, Swift and Gibson stunk last year. I mean, it's hard to put CEH above Barkley and Kamara, but I 'd put him ahead of the others. I don't like CEH but I've seen people saying they'd prefer Swift and I really don't see it.

Right because an athlete in his prime will fair better after having an organ removed than an illness. The gallbladder is a key part of digestion. People often have issues with any foods containing fats for years afterwards. An athlete suddenly having to drastically alter his diet would absolutely affect energy levels and could make him feel pretty sick while his liver is adjusting to producing extra bile on the fly. No amount of expert care can predict exactly how a body will respond to stuff like this.

Guess it depends is this a fantasy football ranking or is this a real life talent or real life including contracts.

In the first the key is more about is Clyde going to start and get 65% of the carries if he does just sheer talent of the offense and especially the line will make him better then 2/3 of the guys on the list.

In the second talent wise I think Zeeke is done, Robinson coming off major injury is huge question mark, a few others would not fit the offense.

Factoring contracts I would guess 1/2 of those are just not realistic for our salary cap and team no way would we trade CEH straight up for them. Barkley, McCaffery, Zeke, Henry...

I would actually trade CEH for Swift straight up.

My reasoning is that Swift appears to be what we all hoped CEH would be in this offense- a great receiver out of the backfield. He's not been great rushing the rock but he also plays for the Lions. 4.3 career YPC average and I think that would be a bit better in our offense with better opportunities.

Couldn't really complain about a guy who's averaging 4.5ish YPC and adding an additional 400-500 yards receiving each season.

swift is doing more with way less. your god damn ****ing right that would be a no brainer of a trade. frankly clyde wouldn't even crack my personal 32. the vision isn't there, the speed is definitely not there, his yac ability is really only present outside the hashes unlike kamara who can work inside the numbers - so really i find it overrated as ****, he's just truthfully mid imo.

yeah maybe he turns it around and shocks us all this year but i've been talking shit since his first season and yet to eat crow so... just excited as **** for rojo in this offense.

Here's the draft position of the top 10 RBs on the list:

41
45
35
63
UDFA
8
67
48
35
24

Seems like 40-50 is the sweet spot for a top-flight RB. So to me 32 isn't that big of a reach, if he had just turned out to be good. I think the draft position was a small mistake at worst, but the execution was a big mistake.

Unless he's over the gout or whatever he had and doesn't suck this year.

Bottom line is Clyde is injury prone, has no speed, is not trusted to catch the ball because of his short arms, he's too small to push the pile & punch it in on the goal-line and his longest TD run for the Chiefs is around 30 yards which was on his debut. He's had a few good games yes, but the physical limitations, plus his durability issues, just tell me he's not who we thought he was. And the Chiefs seem to agree otherwise they wouldn't have signed Rojo, Pacheco and Ealy. They are literally screaming "we want more speed and punch" in the RB room. Imo Clyde won't be the most impactful back on the roster when it's all said and done.

**** him, he probably sucked at that too :thumb:

I don't think short arms is a big problem for a RB, especially with an accurate QB.

It is, there where many passes that were tipped and out of HIS reach

Crucial point, fair.

This would make a great thread/poll.


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Training in the Union, Justice and Confidence state. For the true for him, Show Me state

That's nice, but I don't see how running around with a medicine ball is going to improve his vision.

Maybe he'll incorporate a dark visor, and use The Force...

Good list. I'd take Hardman off it though. If the Chiefs get last year's Playoff Hardman, he could be the player we all hoped he would be. Maybe it's wishful thinking of my part, but I did actually witness it last year, so I'm going to hold out hope.

That might be the worst offseason workout footage I've seen an NFL player put out.

That's not actually Clyde, dude. It's Clay playing Clyde. Like when he pretended to be Tyreek and ran up a hill.

lol trying to be the best ever. How about start out trying to be the best RB on the team first.

LMAO

He didn't put it out.

That's really nice lateral quickness and balance. That's the skillset everyone saw when he was first drafted.

But that's never been the problem. It's the lack of speed to do anything once he's through the hole. And the inability to stay healthy.

I actually think Hardman will be decent for us this season, but due to his draft status, propensity for boneheaded mistakes, generally not being on the same page with Mahomes, etc., he will likely continue to catch some heat from the fanbase.

Really going out on a limb there! Lol

He's been "decent" for us every season.

Matter of opinion.

His production has declined every season and he was outperformed by an UDFA last season.

He's absolutely been "decent", but you're free to believe whatever you want.

His regular season was a bit disappointing last year, but he played well down the stretch, and he's been the same player since his rookie season. If anything, he just hasn't improved on that to become a good player.

And that UDFA just earned a decent 2nd contract, because regardless of his draft status, he was pretty decent himself too.

I will, thanks!

I think he's been "decent" for us overall given his gadgety role but below average as an actual receiving option.

I would love for him to take a step up in the latter.

Feels like been his best when Tyreek's out of the lineup, so it's possible.

I feel like Mahomes awful 2nd half kind of screwed him from the glory he deserved this season.

Could argue he's been Dexter McCluster 2.0 at this point but with more speed and on a team with better QB'ing.

Yea you could certainly make that dumb argument.

2nd round pick that's underwhelmed and hasn't improved much at the WR spot since his first year and has to be used in gadget type situations to get him the ball?

Seems to fit pretty well?

First off, to say that Hardman is "faster" is an understatement. McCluster ran a ****ing 4.58. It's not even remotely close. In terms of speed, he's much closer to CEH than Hardman.

Also, McCluster was a flat out bust, unlike Hardman. Hardman has been a productive player from year 1 despite having target monsters in Hill and Kelce to contend with.

They're both 2nd round picks, and they're gadget guys in terms of their roles. The comparison ends there.

And again, I think Hardman's play down the stretch was overshadowed by the disappointing end to our season as a team.

Even Andy has made it a point that they finally found a groove with him and he was playing his best football. If Mahomes doesn't miss him repeatedly in the 2nd half of the AFCCG, not only would we have been in the SB, Hardman would've been given a lot more credit for his play down the stretch.

Maybe that improvement we've been waiting on finally came, and we will see more of it this season.

I wouldn't be shocked if he's our leading receiver in 2022. He has as good of a shot as anybody. I don't necessarily expect it, but it's absolutely possible.

Yeah Hardman is 3x the player McCluster was.

Statistically, without looking id imagine they're pretty similar.

I've never been much of a Hardman hater as some here. He's been a nice player for the Chiefs. But he hasn't really improved much as a WR from year one to now.

McCluster first 3 years:

989 rec yards 3 TDs

Hardman first 3 years:

1,791 rec yards 12 TDs


Damn near twice as many yards and 4 times the TDs. Hardman is also a Pro Bowl level returner.

Heh. Then either you're still undervaluing Hardman or way overvalued McCluster. Their production wasn't remotely similar.

Wasn't Dexter a pro bowl returner in 13?

He also had about 600 yards rushing as shitty as he was.

He was also playing with who at QB?

Yes, 500 of which came from his sophomore season when they tried to use him as a legit RB.

Here's a funny stat:

McCluster averaged 8.4 YPR

Hardman averages 14.2

But yea, basically the same guy! LMAO

No nuance allowed here huh?

Who was playing QB when Dexter was playing here?

Will Hardman continue his McCluster path and move on after a single rookie contract?

C'mon, McCluster sucked balls. The Chiefs were looking for Dante Hall 2.0, and ended up with Gary Coleman 2.0.

Oh he definitely sucked.

I can't imagine anyone can look at what Hardmans done and think the Chiefs are happy with how it's gone so far though either.

If we're talking nuance, their skill sets aren't even remotely the same.

If it was just the QB, why was McCluster awful everywhere else too (even worse) and out of the league 3 years after he left KC?

I'm sure Hardman's YPR being almost double what McCluster's was is all about the QB and has nothing to do with the fact that one guy is one of the fastest players in the league, while the other ran a ****ing 4.58.

Exactly. The guy that's basically making a comparison based solely on draft status and their roles wants to talk about "nuance".

You're the nuance guy around these parts, just curious why you don't like to use it now.

Skill sets, sure. One is much faster.

They both are 2nd round gadget WR's who aren't likely to get a 2nd contract with the team.

I am, and you're ignoring it.

Like the YPR stat, and the fact that despite the difference in QBs, McCluster was even worse after he left KC and was out of the league in 3 years.

Even if Hardman walks, he will get a much larger 2nd contract than McCluster did (even adjusting for the difference of value in time).

And it's entirely possible that Hardman earns a 2nd contract in KC still.

Hardman is a wealthy man's McCluster. You take him 100 times out of 100 over McCluster but you're still using him in a gadget role and letting UDFA receivers like Pringle get WR snaps over him.

Those are drive killers that KC's defense can't always make up for.

So of course he takes heat for it.

His yards have gone up each year and I expect last season is probably his floor as far as stats.

He can no doubt make plays, but I don't really trust him when things are on the line. Maybe the mistrust is no longer justified. I hope so.

Mcluster was a solid running back that Pioli thought he could turn into a slot wr. Hardmans a corner turned reciever with elite speed and decent size. Other than draft position there is little to compare apples to apples.

I mean, the Chiefs completely turned over the WR room. I'm guessing that says alot about what they think about Hardman, unless he takes less or something to stay.